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RE: The Last Debate - 10/15/2008 11:18:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ultimately (IMO), McCain was playing to his crowd, and BHO was speaking to the whole country. Go back and watch it again and see if that isn't true.

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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 4:14:22 AM   
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McCain is aware that Palin's child does not have autism, but has Down's Syndrome. 

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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 4:34:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is one of the biggest issues for me. If a man cannot contain his disgust and temper when sitting down at a table with a fellow american that, at the core, wants the same thing, he is certainly NOT the man I want representing our country on the world stage.

How will he behave when he has to sit down at the table to discuss delicate world issues with people that cannot stand us and we do not particularly care for either? President Bush has made us one of the most hated nations in the world. We need a president that is able to sit down with the people we don't agree with and find some common ground to work through some of the issues that cannot and should not, be dealt with by threats and chest thumping. Foreign policy is a huge issue for us and John McCain has proven without a shadow of a doubt he would be a huge detriment to where we need to go. Sneers and eye rolling isn't going to cut it.

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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 4:50:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Here is one of the biggest issues for me. If a man cannot contain his disgust and temper when sitting down at a table with a fellow american that, at the core, wants the same thing, he is certainly NOT the man I want representing our country on the world stage.

How will he behave when he has to sit down at the table to discuss delicate world issues with people that cannot stand us and we do not particularly care for either? President Bush has made us one of the most hated nations in the world. We need a president that is able to sit down with the people we don't agree with and find some common ground to work through some of the issues that cannot and should not, be dealt with by threats and chest thumping. Foreign policy is a huge issue for us and John McCain has proven without a shadow of a doubt he would be a huge detriment to where we need to go. Sneers and eye rolling isn't going to cut it.


Funny, I remember A LOT of sneering, eye rolling and empty talk about our last President Bill Clinton.
I firmly believe that is one of the MAIN reasons people elected President Bush.
I don't recall President Bush having ANY claim to fame, ANY thing that would improve our country.
Blind hatrted for Bill Clinton is one of the reasons people wanted President Bush.
President Bush was elected for what reason?  Because he loved Amerika.
That is one of the reasons we have had 8 years of someone that was voted in because voters did not like Bill Clinton.
One of the main reasons I NEVER liked President Bush, is because I never saw ANYTHING in him.
He really had nothing to offer, so that is what we got, basically NOTHING from him.

In fact he is such a lame duck President, that as we sit and watch the economy go down the tubes, he is basically not even around.

We asked for President Bush after President Clinton, and guess what?
We got him.
hahahahahahahahhahahahaha
When it is ALL said and done, I don't hear Clinton being called the worst President in history.
That title belongs to President Bush these days.
After 8 years of President Bush, MANY people would love to have President Clinton in the oval office.
I wonder who gets the last laugh?
right about now!

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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 5:12:09 AM   
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It's definitely not the image he needs to be projecting with the race so tight. It'll be very interesting to see how the numbers shift tomorrow.


It's a tight race? I thought Obama had a 10 point spread  on McCain... not exactly tight when one considers this is about the margin that Clinton had on Dole and no one gave Dole a chance in that election cycle


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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 5:21:25 AM   
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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 5:49:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Here is one of the biggest issues for me. If a man cannot contain his disgust and temper when sitting down at a table with a fellow american that, at the core, wants the same thing, he is certainly NOT the man I want representing our country on the world stage.

How will he behave when he has to sit down at the table to discuss delicate world issues with people that cannot stand us and we do not particularly care for either? President Bush has made us one of the most hated nations in the world. We need a president that is able to sit down with the people we don't agree with and find some common ground to work through some of the issues that cannot and should not, be dealt with by threats and chest thumping. Foreign policy is a huge issue for us and John McCain has proven without a shadow of a doubt he would be a huge detriment to where we need to go. Sneers and eye rolling isn't going to cut it.


I couldn't agree more with your premise.  And that is the basic choice for Americans in these troubled times.  McCain has proven with a record of reaching across the aisle to Kennedy, Lieberman, Feingold, et al numerous times over his years of public service....oftentimes sacrificing the support of fellow republicans in doing so.
Obama NEVER did this during his State Senate stint...(would love to see evidence to the contrary), and might have co-authored legislation on nuclear proliferatin...not really stepping out on the edge of the brink there...

Unfortunately, we live in the age of TV and some formulate an opinion based on appearance and not substance.  It cost Nixon v Kennedy, it cost Bush v Clinton, it cost Gore v Bush, and it might cost McCain v Obama.  What a shallow way to chose a leader...

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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 5:53:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		well- the town I am eyeing that I would love to move to- is being studied to place a nuke plant. And I dont like it.   Bad enough TMI is here.

IMO  such plant needs to be closer to the growth- which is the Pocanos.

McCain got a brilliant line in to start, "our beloved Nancy Reagan"

Around Joe time- my brother from FL called.   How of how can I get him to stop being so "busy".  I feel like saying- well see ya in 20 years when you retire.

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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 5:55:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Here is one of the biggest issues for me. If a man cannot contain his disgust and temper when sitting down at a table with a fellow american that, at the core, wants the same thing, he is certainly NOT the man I want representing our country on the world stage.

How will he behave when he has to sit down at the table to discuss delicate world issues with people that cannot stand us and we do not particularly care for either? President Bush has made us one of the most hated nations in the world. We need a president that is able to sit down with the people we don't agree with and find some common ground to work through some of the issues that cannot and should not, be dealt with by threats and chest thumping. Foreign policy is a huge issue for us and John McCain has proven without a shadow of a doubt he would be a huge detriment to where we need to go. Sneers and eye rolling isn't going to cut it.

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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 6:01:40 AM   
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Unfortunately, we live in the age of TV and some formulate an opinion based on appearance and not substance.  It cost Nixon v Kennedy, it cost Bush v Clinton, it cost Gore v Bush, and it might cost McCain v Obama.  What a shallow way to chose a leader...


So you're saying if we vote shallow, we won't have a Nixon or Bush? And the down side of this is what exactly?



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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 6:04:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: corysub

Unfortunately, we live in the age of TV and some formulate an opinion based on appearance and not substance.  It cost Nixon v Kennedy, it cost Bush v Clinton, it cost Gore v Bush, and it might cost McCain v Obama.  What a shallow way to chose a leader...


I agree largely - but here's the thing; a leader needs to be inspiring, and whilst that isnt the sole criteria, its a very important one. Obama has inspiration in bucketfuls, whilst McCain for all his more solid history, simply doesnt.

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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 6:06:42 AM   
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Unfortunately, we live in the age of TV and some formulate an opinion based on appearance and not substance.  It cost Nixon v Kennedy, it cost Bush v Clinton, it cost Gore v Bush, and it might cost McCain v Obama.  What a shallow way to chose a leader...


Isn't that the way McCain picked his VP? 

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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 6:08:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		MzMia, the latest bad president will always be considered "the worst" by most folks.  I think the problems we are currently having fall on the shoulders of both of the last two losers to sit in that office.
If they want to save our economy, they need to reward businesses for bringing jobs in that Clinton gave away with NAFTA and Bush ignored.  I would consider them neck and neck for the title.  Bush still has time to edge ahead though.

As for the debate, I have to say that Obama definately distanced himself even further in the class department.  He is acting like a class act while McCain is acting like one of the grumpy old men from The Muppet Show without their humor.  I still don't think that either one has satisfied me with their vague talk on a number of issues but they are politicians.  They have to tell everyone how great their plan is long before they really have one nailed down.  If they admitted that they had more of an outline of ideas than a plan, they might not get elected.

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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 6:41:50 AM   
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I couldn't agree more with your premise.  And that is the basic choice for Americans in these troubled times.  McCain has proven with a record of reaching across the aisle to Kennedy, Lieberman, Feingold, et al numerous times over his years of public service....


Oh...McCain is definately giving Lieberman a reach-around....hehehe

Interesting how it is only McCain gets credited with working across party lines... how about Feingold, Kennedy, etc.. and Obama has as well.  In this congress, the only way to get anything done is to work with the other party, the margins are too narrow.

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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 6:45:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nice seeing you Puella. Seems like Mc Cain is giving up on a lot of states. You could tell he was pissed about Obama having more money to spend than him.

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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 6:55:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: corysub

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Here is one of the biggest issues for me. If a man cannot contain his disgust and temper when sitting down at a table with a fellow american that, at the core, wants the same thing, he is certainly NOT the man I want representing our country on the world stage.

How will he behave when he has to sit down at the table to discuss delicate world issues with people that cannot stand us and we do not particularly care for either? President Bush has made us one of the most hated nations in the world. We need a president that is able to sit down with the people we don't agree with and find some common ground to work through some of the issues that cannot and should not, be dealt with by threats and chest thumping. Foreign policy is a huge issue for us and John McCain has proven without a shadow of a doubt he would be a huge detriment to where we need to go. Sneers and eye rolling isn't going to cut it.


I couldn't agree more with your premise.  And that is the basic choice for Americans in these troubled times.  McCain has proven with a record of reaching across the aisle to Kennedy, Lieberman, Feingold, et al numerous times over his years of public service....oftentimes sacrificing the support of fellow republicans in doing so.
Obama NEVER did this during his State Senate stint...(would love to see evidence to the contrary), and might have co-authored legislation on nuclear proliferatin...not really stepping out on the edge of the brink there...

Unfortunately, we live in the age of TV and some formulate an opinion based on appearance and not substance.  It cost Nixon v Kennedy, it cost Bush v Clinton, it cost Gore v Bush, and it might cost McCain v Obama.  What a shallow way to chose a leader...


Sorry to disappoint you cory but I've seen too much of your posting on this election to even try and have any intelligent conversation with you about it. I won't let you bait me into one of the senseless bickering matches you so adore.

To your credit you are loyal and are defending your candidate regardless of the facts. Unfortunately he does not deserve it.


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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 7:11:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was with a crowd watching the debate. Mixed supporters. Most groaned loudly each time the "special needs baby" came up, and they also felt that Obama scored a major point, when he brought up the fact that the "across the board" spending freeze would hurt them.

It was also noted by the crowd that Obama was the one to bring up William Ayres, thus showing that he was not in any way nervous about the subject. Personally, I thought he laid it to rest, despite McCain's attempts at fear mongering.

One thing that really annoyed me... McCain's reference to the $3 million dollar "overhead projector." He was talking about funds to help the Adler Science Center and Planetarium rennovate it's systems. The "overhead projectior he was talking about was a custom built Zeiss projector, and the renovation of the 1500 seat theatre that it sits in the center of. Unfortunately, he failed to mention that the Adler NEVER GOT THE FUNDING. They are currently asking for private donations, which you can verify by checking out their web site. So, LIE: Obama got $3 mil for an "overhead projector." LIE: that money would have somehow been misused, had they gotten it. LIE: that somehow, asking for federal funds to help in rebuilding the cities cultural assets was somehow out of line for an Illinois Senator. FACT: McCain is anti-science, and against the education of the next several generations of Chicago's schoolchildren.

Obama won it. He's 14 points ahead in the polls, and one hundred EC votes ahead in THAT poll. People are leaving McCain's campaign because it's now carrying the "stink of loserdom."

See you all at the landslide!

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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 7:21:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: puella

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ORIGINAL: corysub


I couldn't agree more with your premise.  And that is the basic choice for Americans in these troubled times.  McCain has proven with a record of reaching across the aisle to Kennedy, Lieberman, Feingold, et al numerous times over his years of public service....


Oh...McCain is definately giving Lieberman a reach-around....hehehe

Interesting how it is only McCain gets credited with working across party lines... how about Feingold, Kennedy, etc.. and Obama has as well.  In this congress, the only way to get anything done is to work with the other party, the margins are too narrow.


The reason why I gave credit to McCain is because HE is the guy we are discussing vs Obama for the Presidency.
By defintion, crossing the aisle to work with the other party also implies that the dem was working with the rep and vice versa.  I know Obama is out of his league versus Kennedy, Lieberman and other lions of the Senate and has not sponsored anything recognizable with his name as McCain has done over the years. 
I also know it's not fair comparing the two since Obama has so little Senate experience compared to the decades of McCain.  I guess we will never know what statesmanship, what impactful legislation Mr. Obama would have pushed through the democrat controlled Congress if it wasn't for this dern distraction of running for President, basically since he got there.  We are all the loser for it. 

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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 7:25:25 AM   
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As a professional you know too well that "facts, like beauty, are in the eyes of the beholder"..

Be well..

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RE: The Last Debate - 10/16/2008 7:30:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NuminousLeader

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ORIGINAL: corysub


Unfortunately, we live in the age of TV and some formulate an opinion based on appearance and not substance.  It cost Nixon v Kennedy, it cost Bush v Clinton, it cost Gore v Bush, and it might cost McCain v Obama.  What a shallow way to chose a leader...


Isn't that the way McCain picked his VP? 


You know,it very well could be the way McCain picked his VP. 
Someone who would make a good appearance on TV, show lots of charisma, be able to relate to the soccor mom, the middle class working guy, and the moose hunter...a woman who has had an interest in public service from PTA days to becoming the most popular Governor in the U.S. A.  
Dern..I think you nailed it!  Thanks...

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