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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 5:51:39 AM   
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The "crossing the Spine of Africa" challenge is a perfect example of the attitude the show has against small reliable cars, in favor of huge, inefficient "luxury" vehicles.

(Although I have to admit, I'm biased. I owned a VW bug for 18 years. I bought it used the month after I got my lisence, [$300 at a police auction] and drove it until I could no longer get it to pass Colorado's strict emissions standards.)

They did everything but shit on the little bug, yet it was the ONLY car in the challenge that made it through the challenge without having to be "Mad Max" modified to keep from sinking into the mud, filling with water, or choking out with dust.

I wish I still had mine.

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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:00:17 AM   
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So you now claim to know more about the UK than those of us that actually live there? Astounding


No, I'm saying there is often a huge discrepancy between what is said about Britain and what is the observed reality by those from outside. The English are especially guilty of this if I'm being precise. Listening to many English often reminds me of Bank ads we used to have here, which showed a past that was idyllic in black and white, and with a future in colour all fuzzy. Anyone who believed any of this was a sucker of course. They were trying to take your money !! England is like that. It has a population of 51 million, 2 million of whom are civilised and 49 million scum. The 49 million work for what can best be described as criminal organisations. Knowing this makes life much easier for any foreigner dealing with the place. Forgetting it can cost everything.


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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:04:55 AM   
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So you now claim to know more about the UK than those of us that actually live there? Astounding


No, I'm saying there is often a huge discrepancy between what is said about Britain and what is the observed reality by those from outside. The English are especially guilty of this if I'm being precise. Listening to many English often reminds me of Bank ads we used to have here, which showed a past that was idyllic in black and white, and with a future in colour all fuzzy. Anyone who believed any of this was a sucker of course. They were trying to take your money !! England is like that. It has a population of 51 million, 2 million of whom are civilised and 49 million scum. The 49 million work for what can best be described as criminal organisations. Knowing this makes life much easier for any foreigner dealing with the place. Forgetting it can cost everything.



Can you tell me what drugs you are on? 49 million scum?

I think you have just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are only here to provoke as LadyEllen has said. When you have something factual to say then perhaps you can post. Otherwise you are spouting nonsense.

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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:09:12 AM   
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But if he believes for one moment that I or anyone I know speaks this way..... its all about communicating to an audience that doesnt share the peculiar modes of expression found in this locality; using standard English as the most widely understood and recognised means of communicating with English speakers world wide seems like a good idea. It would be rather odd and parochial to use Black Country dialect after all, and it wouldnt mean a great deal to most Brits, let alone our friends in the US, Canada and elsewhere, including New Zealand.


Err, I'm not talking about your using standard written English. I'm talking about your ' selling ' an English viewpoint that is totally unconnected with reality. I'm not disputing that many buy into this, but I don't buy it.

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And whats also odd is that these threads I post that he so loves that he finds it irresistible to comment on them and argue against any point that I or anyone else makes on the subjects raised


If you made a point that was possible to agree with I would.


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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:10:54 AM   
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2 million civilised, 49 million scum in England.

This is an odd position for someone who has for some time been expressing the opinion, quite vociferously, that all English people are scum, on the grounds of their exploitation of other peoples worldwide.

Even more odd, if one were to believe that the 2 million civilised people might correspond to the more wealthy amongst us - that is those responsible for any exploitation of anyone, including the 49 million scum here resident, their forebears and descendants.

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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:17:14 AM   
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So you now claim to know more about the UK than those of us that actually live there? Astounding


No, I'm saying there is often a huge discrepancy between what is said about Britain and what is the observed reality by those from outside. The English are especially guilty of this if I'm being precise. Listening to many English often reminds me of Bank ads we used to have here, which showed a past that was idyllic in black and white, and with a future in colour all fuzzy. Anyone who believed any of this was a sucker of course. They were trying to take your money !! England is like that. It has a population of 51 million, 2 million of whom are civilised and 49 million scum. The 49 million work for what can best be described as criminal organisations. Knowing this makes life much easier for any foreigner dealing with the place. Forgetting it can cost everything.



Can you tell me what drugs you are on? 49 million scum?

I think you have just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are only here to provoke as LadyEllen has said. When you have something factual to say then perhaps you can post. Otherwise you are spouting nonsense.


OK, I was simplifying, but it needed to be said just so anyone not English and not knowing any better might take the English culture at face value and believe some of its propaganda. The English live in this mess full time so they need to convince themselves as much as the outside world that it isn't like that.

Once upon a time, the English took their scum and parked them on battlefields and invited the other side to bowl cannonballs at them. That was the only use for them. Now these people sit around on the dole, committing petty crimes, and trying to steal from anyone and anything.

If they are employed the companies and government agencies they work for are no better.

So for a foreigner they must understand that in England, you can be dealing with scum who work for a criminal organisation. Anywhere else, like the USA for instance, it can be assumed that the person you're dealing with has at least some interest in serving and the company at least some interest in doing what's right. A foreigner shouldn't think England is in any way like the USA, and certainly not Japan or other countries with a strong ethical sense.

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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:22:29 AM   
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ok, Paul...as an American.. who has many friends in the UK..and regularly speaks with them (not to mention I try to keep up with news etc since I plan to move there)..

you are so full of shit that if your eyes werent already brown, they should be, by now.


Have you ever been to Britain ? Obviously not.




Actually, yes, I have.

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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:25:08 AM   
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Even more odd, if one were to believe that the 2 million civilised people might correspond to the more wealthy amongst us - that is those responsible for any exploitation of anyone, including the 49 million scum here resident, their forebears and descendants.


The 49 million can avoid exploitation by emigrating, which they often do. They can then have their scumminess bred out of them.

The 2 million are not necessarily those wealthy. You're assuming too much. There are some poor honest and civilised people in Yorkshire, Suffolk and Dorset, maybe certain areas of Somerset. You could nuke Bristol and Birmingham though and not worry about hurting anyone civilised, so it balances out.


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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:26:53 AM   
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ok, Paul...as an American.. who has many friends in the UK..and regularly speaks with them (not to mention I try to keep up with news etc since I plan to move there)..

you are so full of shit that if your eyes werent already brown, they should be, by now.


Have you ever been to Britain ? Obviously not.




Actually, yes, I have.


Good luck, you're going to need it.


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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:27:47 AM   
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ok, Paul...as an American.. who has many friends in the UK..and regularly speaks with them (not to mention I try to keep up with news etc since I plan to move there)..

you are so full of shit that if your eyes werent already brown, they should be, by now.


Have you ever been to Britain ? Obviously not.




Actually, yes, I have.


FWIW, I can personally confirm this, having shared a delightful evening at the pub with GT earlier this year.

Not that Paul will believe it of course; after all, he knows better than to take the word of scum like me on anything

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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:29:54 AM   
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looking forward to more of the same, E :) AND a ride in that fancy new car :D

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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:32:27 AM   
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Oh no GT! Dont mention the S Type Jag!

Paul will be all confused as to whether I'm scum or civilised now!

Incidentally, Paul also seems to think that Wales is a place of such poverty and squalor that you might want to reconsider your plans - you dont want the likes of me exploiting you, do you?

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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:37:23 AM   
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E... you can exploit me any time you want *wink*

The folks I've spoken to from Wales have never mentioned anything about how the English have exploited them.. without fail, they speak highly of their country, and are perfectly happy living there.  I suppose they're all ignorant scum since they don't knnow how badly oppressed they are....

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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:38:09 AM   
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An S Type now you are talking. We both have XKs so welcome to the Jag club.

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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:38:33 AM   
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I think you were watching a different version of the programme to the rest of us then. The team did take cheap cars across part of Africa but they were not cars that the average person anywhere would be considering buying. They were not even competing with a Beetle. The Beetle was the "back up" car that whoever had a car that failed would be forced to drive. It did not win "hands down" as they all made it to the end of the challenge.



We watched the same show but you failed to understand what it was about. The show had the presenters with a limited budget with which they could buy any car. They did that and competed with the Beetle, all the cars making it, but only just, with one hardly recognisable as a car. The Beetle did the same journey and was complete at the end. Right at the end they stood around arguing about who had won, and then Clarkson reminds them all who won, and the final shot is the Beetle tootling past with its distinctive burble. The VW Beetle won. D'uh.

The lesson there for all to see, was when you've got no money, make your car choice carefully, and buy something like a Beetle which if even 40 years old will still be a good runner.






I would have to disagree with your statement that if you don't have money, buy something like a Beetle, which even if 40 years old will still be a good runner, as I ran a VW air cooled motor for ten years, what skills were lacking  in Modern Britain to keep such a simple engine in good order, I had to learn myself, as garages other than expensive specialist air cooled garages, were useless. The other thing, it rains in Britain, in fact it rains a lot, and these 40 year old machines rot and rot fast. The yearly pre MOT  servicing usually includes the use of a MIG welder, and the same tool again after the vehicle has failed the MOT to get the bits you missed in the pre MOT servicing.
Oh, yes, they are also thirsty engines, 19 mpg was the norm for my 1600, and I used to drive it in accordance with a vacuum guage/ economy guage.
They are reliable, but the engines are past their best at 70k, most vee dubs around seem to be running if on their origial engines, circa 200k. My first engine was 260k before it self destructed on a hill and set fire to the road.


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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:38:56 AM   
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England is like that. It has a population of 51 million, 2 million of whom are civilised and 49 million scum. The 49 million work for what can best be described as criminal organisations. Knowing this makes life much easier for any foreigner dealing with the place. Forgetting it can cost everything.



Sorry Paul, I've got to wonder how you managed to meet all 51 million Brits. I'm quite impressed, that's quite a feat!
 
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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 6:46:03 AM   
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An S Type now you are talking. We both have XKs so welcome to the Jag club.


Thanks!

Its good to be one of the cruel rulers of 49 million scum, isnt it?

I purposely drive through puddles whenever I see peasants at the side of the road (especially if I'm in Wales) just to soak them - damned scum.

Of course, it makes a mess of the car, but hey - I just stop and have some passing serf lick it all clean whilst I jab him with a hat pin. Its wizard fun!

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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 7:00:00 AM   
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How fucking dare you suggest that I have made up my work history.


Answer my question.




You deserve no answer. You are nothing but an ignorant little idiot.




Which confirms you know exactly the final scene I'm referring to and that indeed Jeremy Clarkson announces the VW Beetle the winner. You just don't want to admit you got it wrong.




I believe he did it to annoy Hammond. Clearly Hammond did not agree that the beetle was the winner. He was all ready for his own car to be announced the winner.


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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 7:00:49 AM   
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*snort*

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RE: BBC property programmes make me angry - 10/18/2008 7:06:01 AM   
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who on earth would bother to watch a show in which average people were looking for average homes? You would need to be a life signs monitor to let you know you were still alive. I want to be dazzled, impressed, delighted, and if possible entertained. aspiration is a vital part of life, if the recession is to be overcome it will be by people bettering themselves. Not by looking at what we can afford, I think you will find your resentment is misplaced.
Beat the bailliff, now THAT was offensive!

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