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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/20/2008 9:43:27 AM   
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then I help you

"yes" they belong together


lol no guessing...but trying to understand life  :P
I would call that guessing too...lol
(just teasing)

Your not qualified to answer for them. As for the rest I'm not sure what your teasing about since I can't make heads or tails out of what your saying.


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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/20/2008 9:49:47 AM   
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lol

good luck then ;) ignore my answer

ps..what qualification do I need on a public board?

ps2 :

you try to understand the 5 languages..have an opinion..theories..perhaps a few guesses about the subject.
but you don't dare to guess about a clear signature ;)
that was all I said.

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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/20/2008 9:52:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

lol

good luck then ;)

ps..what qualification do I need on a public board?

Since I asked about their relationship..you would have had to be part of it to give an answer one might think.


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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/20/2008 9:53:47 AM   
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roger Mr.

use their profile next time for private questions ;)
instead of beeing so kind to one who tries to help you

more complaints about me..pm me..this is to offtopic

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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/20/2008 9:54:41 AM   
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Test Results:
20%      Words of Affirmation
33%      Quality Time
10%      Receiving Gifts
13%      Acts of Service
23%      Physical Touch

Greetings Aall
 
I'm not sure what this means   except that maybe I see love in many things.  Daunt is very tactile; constantly holding hands, touching, rubbing, something.  I'm still working on accepting that.  Sometimes when He continues to keep touching me, I just want to pull away.
 
well wishes,
Gemmie


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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/20/2008 9:55:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

roger Mr.

use their profile next time for private questions ;)
instead of beeing so kind to one who tries to help you

more complaints about me..pm me..this is to offtopic

Sure.


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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/20/2008 10:00:28 AM   
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FR ~~
Test Results:
20%      Words of Affirmation
33%      Quality Time
10%      Receiving Gifts
13%      Acts of Service
23%      Physical Touch

Greetings Aall
 
I'm not sure what this means   except that maybe I see love in many things.  Daunt is very tactile; constantly holding hands, touching, rubbing, something.  I'm still working on accepting that.  Sometimes when He continues to keep touching me, I just want to pull away.
 
well wishes,
Gemmie



perhaps you can redo it time. When you accepted touching...and see if it changed.
(then you know also if the test worked....or perhaps that there is still something blocking you or that you accepted touching ofcourse)

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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/20/2008 3:18:23 PM   
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10   Words of affirmation 33% 
8     Quality time 27% 
7     Physical touch 23%
1     Gifts 3%
4    Acts of service 13%
 
I see by my results that the adage “actions speak louder than words” doesn’t necessarily hold true for me! 

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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/20/2008 4:31:19 PM   
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I took the test a couple days ago and while I forgot what the entire result was, I remember that my top two were Physical Touch and Quality Time. I am very tactile - one of my friends jokes that I'd make a Care Bear look cold and distant - and I love spending time with Sir. Good thing He's very similar - when we first got together he apologized for being so hands-on and I couldn't reassure Him enough that I love physical affection. And we get along freakishly well and enjoy spending as much time together as we can. Since He lives 20 minutes away from me, we get to spend quite a bit of time together which makes both of us happy.

Awww now I feel all warm and fuzzy....


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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/20/2008 4:41:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VivaciousSub

I took the test a couple days ago and while I forgot what the entire result was, I remember that my top two were Physical Touch and Quality Time. I am very tactile - one of my friends jokes that I'd make a Care Bear look cold and distant - and I love spending time with Sir. Good thing He's very similar - when we first got together he apologized for being so hands-on and I couldn't reassure Him enough that I love physical affection. And we get along freakishly well and enjoy spending as much time together as we can. Since He lives 20 minutes away from me, we get to spend quite a bit of time together which makes both of us happy.

Awww now I feel all warm and fuzzy....


Isn't that just the cutest thing


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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/20/2008 6:43:59 PM   
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You're willing to compromise on that ideal companion to some degree in order to increase the odds finding companionship... so you're more to the right of me on the scale I illustrated above.  Doing so also increases your general compatibility via flexibility which improves your desirability.  What else you might be doing to increase your desirability, and therefore your odds you haven't said and I won't assume.  This means you're less likely to get that ideal companion (though its still possible) than I am... but depending on how well I've compensated my desirability in other ways, you may or may not be more likely to find companionship.


Not at all. I am not compromising anything because I never really had an ideal companion to begin with. Your theory is presupposed by the fact that we are searching for Model #754 and anything that falls outside of that is compromise.

I have a very loose set of standards I apply that define the type of person that will make me happy.

a) Someone I consider to be smart and intelligent.
b) Physically attractive to me
c) Takes care of their body
d) Positive attitude
e) Open-minded
f) Some variation of interests we have in common that provide for enriching experiences together.

That's really about it. An ideal? Maybe, but far from anything nuanced and detailed. At best, I would call it merely the criterion for what it takes for me to be attracted to someone and form an emotional connection with. And once I have that emotional connection, the nuances and details can be worked out, because they were never part of my ideal to begin with and the trees aren't worth losing the forest.

I don't consider that to be compromise though, because it makes it sound like I am "giving up" something. I'm not because the little things were never important to me in the first place.

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You do realize the second and third contradict the first?  If you are compromising to suit someone else, then to that extent its their way.  This is what most people do... they compromise in relationships so that its partly one person's way, partly the other person's.  Since that's the prevalent mode of relationships in the western world, doing so within a D/s relationship will increase the odds of it succeeding or of finding compatability because this is the mode that most people have already been culturally conditioned for.


I don't see how they contradict at all and I certainly hope they don't, because if that's the case, then we are all kidding ourselves about having authority in our relationships. In fact, I find the idea of someone not being influenced by their partner in some way or another to be impossible or at least, highly HIGHLY implausible.

Compromise implies that there is two people who won't agree with each nor will they do what the other wants and therefore they have to find some degree of middle ground to make things work. What I am talking about is being in a position of authority where the decision is yours, considering and willing to be influenced by external sources of information, and thus making your decision based on that.

The fact that is my way is determined by the fact that's it my decision and is not contradicted by the fact that I allow myself to be influenced by the input presented by my girl.

That's kind of like saying you can only be dominant if you don't give a shit at all about the needs/wants/opinions/issues/concerns/problems of your submissive and I don't think that is true. Nor can I honestly call someone a good leader if they aren't influenced by these things or call it a "good decision" for a submissive to get involved with someone who doesn't listen to them at all, because it won't be "their way".

In an attempt to nuance this idea a bit, here's some examples.
  •  I want my girl to go to the store and get me some milk in the freezing rain. She is sick with the flu. I care for her well being and her health and therefore allow her health condition to influence me into making the decision that she will stay in bed. If that health condition wasn't present, she would be going to the store so thus it had a degree of influence over my decision making.
  • We are practicing S/M and I do something that results in an injury. Her pain response and her communication of the injury influences me to make the decision to stop. If those reactions and verbal communications weren't there, I would have kept on playing.
  • I want to buy a Civic. I do research on the information and learn that a certain kind of Honda would be a much better choice. This information influences me to change my decision. Without that information, I would have bought the Civic.
  • I want my girl to do something for me. Based on what she tells me, I make the decision to not ask her to do it, because I conclude she is not ready. Making her do it would result in me damaging the relationship. Her information influences me to make the decision to put what I want aside for the time being until a better time. Without that information, I would have done what I wanted and severely damaged the relationship.
  • I want to go to a rock concert and she wants to go to classical. Based on her input, I realize that this particular classical concert is far more important to her than it is to me. I absoltely hate classical, but the rock concert isn't that important and taking her to it would contribute to the well being and quality of the relationship. The relationship is more important to me so therefore I make the decision to go to the classical concert. Her information influenced this decision.

So in conclusion, my way is determined by me making the decision and not whether or not their influence contributed to it. I can make decisions to do things I don't necessarily want to do and still have it be "my way", because making the decision is what matters and not what the decision is.

And if being willing to be influenced by my submissive in regards to my decisions contradicts and negates my possession of authority in the relationship, then I will be the first one to turn in my Master card.

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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/20/2008 7:31:21 PM   
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In talking to my Daddy about this thread he told me what makes him feel loved, and it seems the that is the thing I have done quite a bit. I am very service oriented, but that isn't his language... although he knows that my service is out of love.

As far as compatibility, I am still trying to figure out what that is to be honest. I am certainly no relationship expert, and no matter how long we are together I do not think I will ever feel like one. The longer we have been together, the less I feel like an expert, and i cannot tell you if the compatibility is innate or something we have worked on. I also can tell you that perhaps it has been it was too hard to be without each other, so that is why we have lasted... who knows... I do love him, and he speaks his love to me in many of the languages. He gives me gifts, he spends time with me, he is physically affectionate, he affirms me, and he has even performed acts of service for me...

In the final analysis I think I need different things at different times in order to feel loved,  the trick is communicating that in a way that can be understood, and while that is not always easy... I suppose it is something I have just recently tried to do with success.


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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/20/2008 7:47:02 PM   
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  So in conclusion, my way is determined by me making the decision and not whether or not their influence contributed to it. I can make decisions to do things I don't necessarily want to do and still have it be "my way", because making the decision is what matters and not what the decision is.

And if being willing to be influenced by my submissive in regards to my decisions contradicts and negates my possession of authority in the relationship, then I will be the first one to turn in my Master card.  


I’m with you on this one, MR.  I said something similar in another thread but can’t recall which one.  I believe it does not matter what reason is used to make the decision.  The defining factor in dominance/submission is that it is the dominant who makes the final choice. 
I would add that if all or most decisions are made based solely because the dominant believes they must always do what they want despite other aspects  in the relationship, then they become enslaved by the concept rather than making a real choice.     


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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/21/2008 5:18:04 AM   
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I would add that if all or most decisions are made based solely because the dominant believes they must always do what they want despite other aspects  in the relationship, then they become enslaved by the concept rather than making a real choice.    


That puts into rather elegant words a concept that all to many just don't get and the world would would be a far happier place if they did.

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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/21/2008 5:24:45 AM   
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IMHO

I am a very touchy feely kinda person. I openly show my affection for my slave, almost to the point of becomming too saccharin. I personally believe that a certain amount of tenderness is vital, a comforting hug or cuddle goes a long way.




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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/21/2008 7:04:57 AM   
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And if being willing to be influenced by my submissive in regards to my decisions contradicts and negates my possession of authority in the relationship, then I will be the first one to turn in my Master card.


Yeah, I'm with you on that one. "MY" way includes her way. It's as simple as that. If that makes me a wishy washy Master, no worries there, I'm pretty ok with being "That guy who's woman obeys him and who has a deliriously happy marriage." From a "marketing" standpoint, I have to observe that for every sub out there who wants a badass dom, there appears to be another who wants a caring, loving relationship so if the target audience is any guide (and what the hell else would be a guide?) then apparently it IS domly to care about your sub and to recognize her value as a life partner, not simply a slave.

What I find most interesting about the "my way or the highway" thought pattern is that these people have, apparently, not given much thought to why, exactly, a smart, competent, and capable submissive would be following them. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that smart, competent, and capable people (which is who I want as a partner for the rest of my life), make choices that enhance their own lives. That implies that somehow, this person who is smart, must be convinced that following my lead is better for them than not. If I have failed to incorporate their needs, wants, desires, and dreams into my lead, then I'm not really sure how I could really make that claim.

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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/21/2008 8:56:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheMadBunny
And if being willing to be influenced by my submissive in regards to my decisions contradicts and negates my possession of authority in the relationship, then I will be the first one to turn in my Master card.


Yeah, I'm with you on that one. "MY" way includes her way. It's as simple as that. If that makes me a wishy washy Master, no worries there, I'm pretty ok with being "That guy who's woman obeys him and who has a deliriously happy marriage." From a "marketing" standpoint, I have to observe that for every sub out there who wants a badass dom, there appears to be another who wants a caring, loving relationship so if the target audience is any guide (and what the hell else would be a guide?) then apparently it IS domly to care about your sub and to recognize her value as a life partner, not simply a slave.

What I find most interesting about the "my way or the highway" thought pattern is that these people have, apparently, not given much thought to why, exactly, a smart, competent, and capable submissive would be following them. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that smart, competent, and capable people (which is who I want as a partner for the rest of my life), make choices that enhance their own lives. That implies that somehow, this person who is smart, must be convinced that following my lead is better for them than not. If I have failed to incorporate their needs, wants, desires, and dreams into my lead, then I'm not really sure how I could really make that claim.


Extremely well said

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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/21/2008 10:34:48 AM   
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What I find most interesting about the "my way or the highway" thought pattern is that these people have, apparently, not given much thought to why, exactly, a smart, competent, and capable submissive would be following them. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that smart, competent, and capable people (which is who I want as a partner for the rest of my life), make choices that enhance their own lives. That implies that somehow, this person who is smart, must be convinced that following my lead is better for them than not. If I have failed to incorporate their needs, wants, desires, and dreams into my lead, then I'm not really sure how I could really make that claim.


Extremely well said

Dayum...I could not agree more.

I am one of those who accepts the 'my way or the highway' philosophy, and my reasoning is almost like that of leadership's. I am smart enough, capable enough, and mature enough to understand that sometimes this thinking could be extremely dangerous to me , yet,  I know that accepting things 'his way' is the only way that I will be happy. Sure, I might grumble and complain at certain times that I want to do things my way , but in the end...if I trust him, and know him, then I have to trust in my own ability to pick a partner that has my best interest at heart. So, 'his way or the highway' makes perfect sense to me.

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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/21/2008 11:26:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

I am one of those who accepts the 'my way or the highway' philosophy, and my reasoning is almost like that of leadership's. I am smart enough, capable enough, and mature enough to understand that sometimes this thinking could be extremely dangerous to me , yet,  I know that accepting things 'his way' is the only way that I will be happy. Sure, I might grumble and complain at certain times that I want to do things my way , but in the end...if I trust him, and know him, then I have to trust in my own ability to pick a partner that has my best interest at heart. So, 'his way or the highway' makes perfect sense to me.


I think this is important, because it demonstrates how the phrase "My way or the highway" can communicate different things. In one case, it can be communicated as a way of thinking that is obtuse to the opinions of the submissive partner. On the other hand, it can communicate just merely the presence of solid and strong authority and not necessarily the fact that the authority has no regard for the opinions of the subordinate.

It's one of those phrases that tends to result in a lot of dissent in discussion around here. Sometimes that dissent is well founded, but it's important to try to understand how people use it and what they are communicating as opposed to what we want to read.

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RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships - 10/21/2008 11:50:48 AM   
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Scored a perfect 12 for 'Physical Touch'. That doesn't surprise me, I've always been a 'groper'; fully disclosed early in my first visit with beth. Second best to being a groper is being a 'grop-ee'. Got a '9' for quality time - also not surprising since anytime not with beth is best described as 'non-quality' time. A 'perfect' day is spending quality time groping beth and being groped by her.

Stunned that I got even a '1' on receiving gifts. Usually am the last person at Christmas to open all the presents. I much more enjoy giving and enjoy watching the reaction of people getting gifts.

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