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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 12:21:56 AM   
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Ouch. I was thinking more along the lines of creative ways to generate revenue using diversified marketing techniques but it sounds like, at least for your company, a decision has already been made.



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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 12:23:31 AM   
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also more stimulus checks coming!


The immoral part of this is that these sorts resent paying social security because they want that money NOW, screw the contract we have with those who have paid in (even though SS may in fact be the only retirement a lot of those invested in this market have to retire on)

The stimulus package... another example of people not caring that Americans not even born yet will pay for that


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The immoral part of this is that these sorts resent paying social security because they want that money NOW, screw the contract we have with those who have paid in (even though SS may in fact be the only retirement a lot of those invested in this market have to retire on)

The stimulus package... another example of people not caring that Americans not even born yet will pay for that



As a person with disabilities I have come to the belief that hiring persons with disabilities ought to be patriotic and here is why:


  • The US Welfare system is on the verge of disaster ...
  • Americans; if they care about those who will be effected by this impending disaster; should be supporting many of these people by hiring them so that they in turn can pay for the spiraling costs of goods (which the benefits of the welfare system does not keep up with).
  • By hiring them ... they in turn remove the employable from the welfare ranks there by easing the financial crunch on the welfare system; and finally ....
  • IF enough persons with disability were removed from welfare with truly sustainable employment then ... maybe ... the those newly employed would be able to help pay for those who really do need to be on welfare ... and possibly in a highly ironic way save the welfare system!


In the end ... possibly the tax level may also go down if Americans were to just support one another.

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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 12:55:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Ouch.


I'm sorry, I didn't mean to come across as kicking you. But ouch is right, in more ways than one.
 
If we keep going like this, America is going to end up coast-to-coast fast food and pizza. No major industry, no major financial centers, nada. I mean look at this system. The less you make, the more you're entitled to. The more you make, the deeper the government sticks its hand into your pocket. Not a lot of motivation to work and get ahead there. Our financial policies are driven by a political agenda that makes zero economic sense. If we keep this up, our major industrial and financial businesses will go somewhere else. The wealthy will go somewhere else. And the only "rich" left to tax will be the politicians who got us into this mess.
 
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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 5:29:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrPBK


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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also more stimulus checks coming!


The immoral part of this is that these sorts resent paying social security because they want that money NOW, screw the contract we have with those who have paid in (even though SS may in fact be the only retirement a lot of those invested in this market have to retire on)

The stimulus package... another example of people not caring that Americans not even born yet will pay for that


quote:

The immoral part of this is that these sorts resent paying social security because they want that money NOW, screw the contract we have with those who have paid in (even though SS may in fact be the only retirement a lot of those invested in this market have to retire on)

The stimulus package... another example of people not caring that Americans not even born yet will pay for that



As a person with disabilities I have come to the belief that hiring persons with disabilities ought to be patriotic and here is why:
  • The US Welfare system is on the verge of disaster ...
  • Americans; if they care about those who will be effected by this impending disaster; should be supporting many of these people by hiring them so that they in turn can pay for the spiraling costs of goods (which the benefits of the welfare system does not keep up with).
  • By hiring them ... they in turn remove the employable from the welfare ranks there by easing the financial crunch on the welfare system; and finally ....
  • IF enough persons with disability were removed from welfare with truly sustainable employment then ... maybe ... the those newly employed would be able to help pay for those who really do need to be on welfare ... and possibly in a highly ironic way save the welfare system!


In the end ... possibly the tax level may also go down if Americans were to just support one another.

MstrPBK
St. Paul, MN


Unfortunately the largest segment of people in this country that live below the poverty line is children... not the disabled... I am all for  hiring disabled people, don't get me wrong... but knowing that it is kids that really suffer for our system makes me very sad... and I do not think people are willing to hire 0-12 year olds


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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 5:37:15 AM   
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we cut the the waste!

we can save with a flat tax/fair tax...no need for the IRS

we can save by cutting the money we send overseas to countries that hate us......stop borrowing money and giving it away to our enemies etc!

give businesses a break so they can create more jobs...........no need for welfare and unemployment!

win the damn war........bring our troops home!

this is just the beginning.  if the government spends less and stops waste we can begin paying down the deficit......duh!




So basically you want poor people to pay for imperialist wars that they did not profit from proportionately.. oh yeah... we will stand by in a system where CEOs make 100s of millions while driving our economy into the ground, and we will tax a single mom with 3 kids making minimum wage the same percentage as Ken Lay would have!... I love love love your idea!

I just debated this with Sinergy last night... and I think this idea sucks lemons. I suppose if everyone profited proportionately from the infrastructure of this country I might agree with you, but since not everyone does, I don't

What welfare? How much does welfare cost this country compared with the corporate bailouts?

I am all for cutting out the waste... but even if we did that we owe trillions... this money has to be paid back... so how do you suggest we do that?


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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 7:42:43 AM   
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Why do people complain so much about taxes?

What do you think the government could do without your tax dollars?

I think it is unpatriotic to complain about your taxes and expect your government to do anything at all... anything, war, health, education, roads, laws, anything.

They all require taxes.

This BS of the last 8 years of cutting taxes and starting several wars is the biggest contributing factor to the federal budget problems. When a nation has a war, it's taxes should go up to cover those costs.

All you who claim to be patriots screaming about support our troops and back the war or save the unborn babies, shut up and pay your taxes and stop bitching about them or wanting a tax cut.

You don't like all this spending then don't vote for the party that has hold the most executive power in the last 40 years. To keep voting Republicans into power and expecting things to change or get better is just down right insane. It denies all objective reality.

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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 8:02:23 AM   
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one more time.  the money i pay in taxes is a drop in the bucket for many.  i worked hard for that money and i do not want it wasted.  when i vote, i want the fuckers i put in office to watch how they spend my hard earned money.  i vote and i pay taxes which makes me patriotic.  i do not want my tax money to keep paying people to stay home and collect a check! i do not want my tax money to subsidize (sp?) big business!   i do not want my tax money to be sent overseas.  i want my tax money to get this country out of debt and back on it's feet.  continuing to give it away and waste it is not what i voted for nor is it patriotic!

tammyjo, i certainly will NOT waste my vote on a pub or a dem!.......ha!

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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 8:07:04 AM   
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one more time.  the money i pay in taxes is a drop in the bucket for many.  i worked hard for that money and i do not want it wasted.  when i vote, i want the fuckers i put in office to watch how they spend my hard earned money.  i vote and i pay taxes which makes me patriotic.  i do not want my tax money to keep paying people to stay home and collect a check! i do not want my tax money to subsidize (sp?) big business!   i do not want my tax money to be sent overseas.  i want my tax money to get this country out of debt and back on it's feet.  continuing to give it away and waste it is not what i voted for nor is it patriotic!

tammyjo, i certainly will NOT waste my vote on a pub or a dem!.......ha!


Good for you.

I was going to ask if you honestly thought either McCain or Obama would run things as you like then given your above criteria.

Neither will nor has anyone since this country was created. Some of the things you all are complaining about are standard operating procedures for nations to function unless they exist in a void with no contact with any other group or nation at all ever.

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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 8:20:11 AM   
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tammyjo yeah!  the status quo is a no!

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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 9:07:32 AM   
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And voting for a third party candidate.....in theory might seem like an option...in practice is nothing more than an unnoticed protest and a wasted vote(this coming from a man who voted for Perot)

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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 9:24:38 AM   
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so!  we are screwed no matter who wins!  the new president will be the leader of a country broke as hell and in debt up to our eyelids!  he can make it worse or make us forget we are suffering.

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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 9:54:52 AM   
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Why bother voting, if that's how you feel?

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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 9:55:58 AM   
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Well bestbaby,I am not suggessting that we just take it,rather that the choice is between the 2 major party candidates....and that the best we can do is pick the best of those 2.Any realistic appraisal of a third party candidate shows that they can not win...not in our lifetime....but it is your choice...just pointing out it is nothing more than using your vote as a form of protest...and if that is what you want to do ...cool

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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 11:03:31 AM   
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like many have said, it is a priviledge to vote and i am not giving up my priviledge.  i can vote for whomever i choose.

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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 11:08:20 AM   
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that is where we disagree.  i believe that once Obama or McCain finish with this country, Americans will be so tired of pubs and dems, they will look for an alternative.  Ron Paul's candidacy shows us that.  he awakened alot of the voters, myself included.

i have hope and do not rain on my parade,ok 

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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 11:53:27 AM   
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Your vote,Your choice....

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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 12:11:56 PM   
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You know..it is refreshing..an Honest Politician who admits he may have to raise taxes a little, so why is that so scary to people. At 55 I have heard more than one candidate say I will cut taxes, cut them for this group, cut them for that group, increase spending on this , that and the other but stop wasteful spending,  a chicken in every pot and a pot in every home. Rarely have I heard I will Raise Taxes and start moving us out of Debt to other countries, that we are going to have to tighten our belts and dig a little deeper to get out of the mess we have been making for ourselves over the past 2 decades but we will make it.

BUT.

That is what it is going to take. Just like every one of us has had to tighten our budgets and maybe not be so quick to race off and buy the newest , greatest , latest thing, so our government is going to have to do the same thing. Do I like it? No. But we can't keep spending what we don't have coming in. Year after year the US has forgiven debt from countries that we helped to rebuild, we have poured Foreign Aid out and sent bushels of money to other countries where famine, disaster, illness have occurred without every wondering where that money is coming from, whose lives we are harnessing into a massive debt.

Sometimes that money has been in actual cash and loans, but it has also been in the form of personnel, military aid etc. It seems at times that we are more eager and more responsive to others than to those here at home. Oh trust me, I am not discounting those who reach into their own pockets and send money and goods to those in need or who lend their efforts to helping out. But you will see more stores participating in donations for Aids in Africa than Aids here in America, a disease that is not limited to gays, but has it's fastest growing sector among women and teens. Sex should not be a death sentence, but while big pharm sends medications over seas gratis and gets big tax credits here for doing so, we have an awful lot of people in this country who can't afford the medications that are being sent over seas. If it were not for the efforts of the Lions Club and the Shriners there are kids who would die before they could get medical care, or have to do without glasses and hearing aids.

Master's company just changed insurance companies. I am STILL not on his insurance though we are legally married. I doubt I ever will be unless they change the rules on Pre-existing conditions. I would be covered, and they would accept the pre-exisiting as I had coverage prior , but the premiums, copays and deductbiles made it highly unlikely that they would pay out ANYTHING until 8 months had passed. TG we don't have kids.There are a LOT of us here on CM in the same positions, more than a few with permanent disabilities that limit our ability to work. 4 words. Try to get hired. Friend of mine was downsized, he's a programmer and has a service dog. So far 30 companies later there is always a reason they hired someone else. Shall we just let him fade into the background or keep the Federal Programs and State programs that can help him become employed again. If we do that then it means we have to fund those programs and while Bush was real nice about giving us all those tax cuts and stimulius checks, Programs such as Vocational Rehabilitation and Education had their budgets CUT drastically, Social Security hasn't kept up with inflation and there are more than a few elderly who were not CEO's who can't afford, food, meds, rent and utilitiess in the same month. They live well BELOW the poverty line and earn less than illegal aliens from the system they paid into. 1000$ a month translates into 0.76 cents an hour to live on or 9$ a 12 hour day, can you do it? 

Why can't Johnny read? Well he can't afford glasses, can't get the special needs teachers he might need, sits in a classroom that is over crowded 40+ students in some areas because Federal Funds to states to build schools, buy books and hire teachers have been cut. States recieve money from the federal government to help in medicaid, crime prevention, libraries, education, public services such as mental health and public health, National Guard, to aid with rebuilding infrastructures like bridges, Dams and levees. If the Fed isn't funded by Taxes, it can't pass those funds along and the choices become at the State level..cut the program..or raise state income taxes and sales taxes.

Obama is honest when he says we need to raise Taxes. It isn't to my liking that it is targeted to those earning a certain amount of money. But here's the kicker.. as for those who think that someone earning BELOW the poverty line owes no tax..ftake a look at the IRS itself for 2007 taxes: http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/article/0,,id=164272,00.html

Tax credits are wonderful, so are tax shelters, cuts, defferred taxes et al. But we do have to pay for our government, we have to take care of our people and we need to fund our programs. Most of all we NEED to stop holding a Fire Sale on this country and it's government through the borrowing of money from foriegn countries based on the labor of our citizens, labor that has been outsourced to the Countries LENDING US THE MONEY.

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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 4:17:43 PM   
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The less you make, the more you're entitled to. 
The more you make, the deeper the government sticks its hand into your pocket. Not a lot of motivation to work and get ahead there. Our financial policies are driven by a political agenda that makes zero economic sense. If we keep this up, our major industrial and financial businesses will go somewhere else. The wealthy will go somewhere else. And the only "rich" left to tax will be the politicians who got us into this mess.
 
K.
 


Somehow I think the wealthy are doing okay. 

What makes zero sense to me is why so many people, who are not the beneficiaries of the policies that have seen the wealth disparity in this country grow to historic figures, want everyone to shed tears for the plight of these poor downtrodden multi-millionaires.

Yes, success should be rewarded, but to an unlimited degree?  Should CEO compensation be greater than the average of that company's employees?  Of course.  There is something wrong though when this great a disparity exists:
Executive Pay: CEO Pay Up 298%, Average Worker's? 4.3% (1995-2005)
http://consumerist.com/consumer/executive-pay/ceo-pay-up-298-average-workers-43-1995+2005-250838.php

Who Rules America: Wealth, Income, and Power
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html
In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2001, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 33.4% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 51%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 84%, leaving only 16% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth, the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 39.7%.

Ask youself how much things like this have contributed to the plight of our economy.   

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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 7:16:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u How were the dems supposed to end the war with Bush in the White House.


Actually it is quite simple.  The house refuses to fund the war.  The troops get on boats and come home and we quit playing "cowboys and motherfuckers" in the sand box.
The problem is that neither the demopubs nor the republicrats are interested in ending the war.  We are there to "fuck their women and take their dope(oil)" which is the reason all wars are fought.
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RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wi... - 10/21/2008 7:28:31 PM   
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Why bother voting, if that's how you feel?


Kittin:
Being a foriegner and all you may not be fully cognizant of how we do things here.  Contrary to popular belief we do not elect presidents in my country we appoint them.  The president is appointed by the electoral college which in turn is appointed by the legislature.  Which is in turn is drawn from a list of "approved"candidates which the people may vote for.(kinda like they do in Russia)
The supreme court has rueled that the people have no right to vote for the electors.  Yet every four years we have this giant sham "election" and people argue the relative merits of this or that possible appointee.  When it is all over the "loosing side" crys voter fraud and gird their loins for the next "election".
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