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bestbabync -> projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 12:44:52 PM)

here is a little information.  Sen. Obama stated this past week that our taxes will be no higher than the Clinton years.  Just giving everyone a little heads up.  i found this interesting:

www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/

Taxes under Clinton 1999...............Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400.......... Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000.........Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250.........Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800.......Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000.......Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750.....Married making 125K - tax $31,250




slvemike4u -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 1:09:41 PM)

Well you did warn us it would be "a little information".....and that is what you gave us
from the same source,your link...here is a little more information.


Election 2008
Presidential Candidate Tax Plan Comparison






John McCain

Barack Obama


Marginal Individual Income Tax Rates
View Research Area ยป

Continue the lower rates enacted in the 2001-03 tax cuts. (Source).McCain's plan

Maintain the current 10, 15, 25, and 28 percent rates from the 2001-03 tax cuts, but allow the top two rates to expire (the 33 percent rate would rise to 36 percent; the 35 percent would rise to 39.6 percent). Eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. (Source).Obama's plan

Edited,because my cut and paste skills suck...but Igot it right this time....yippie!




DomKen -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 1:10:18 PM)

Your link doesn't point to the information you claim it does.




pahunkboy -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 1:18:11 PM)

It hardly matters.


It isnt like the budget is currently balanced and we live with in our means. 


Dad used to say- when you owes taxes, be happy that you are the one with the work.  [Dad was a trademan.  painter.  for every job there was- there were other guys waiting to work it.]




kdsub -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 1:18:54 PM)

I wonder if that includes the trillions of dollars in debt we have accumulated under Bush?... The pyramid scheme was bound to come crashing down one day... You know cut taxes to get elected then borrow our grand kids future away...pitiful.

Butch




bipolarber -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 1:27:01 PM)

FEAR!!!

Fear Obama! Fear the strange and "different" man who does not look like all the ones who came before! Fear! He will raise your taxes! Links to biased sources tell us so! Wooooooo(my friends) Woooooo! Scary!

I'm not buying the "coded message," bestbaby. I read both candidates tax plans from their official sites. I do far, far better under Obama's than under McBush.




servantforuse -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 1:32:14 PM)

Is this before or after 95% of Americans get a tax decrease under Obama??




corysub -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 2:01:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber

FEAR!!!

Fear Obama! Fear the strange and "different" man who does not look like all the ones who came before! Fear! He will raise your taxes! Links to biased sources tell us so! Wooooooo(my friends) Woooooo! Scary!

I'm not buying the "coded message," bestbaby. I read both candidates tax plans from their official sites. I do far, far better under Obama's and under McBush.



It depends.  Over forty million people do not pay any federal tax at all, and yet Obama will be sending them all a welfare check every January.  It depends on where you are on the ladder. Where is this money going to come from to pay for all this "government largesse"...?  Warren Buffet sure, but Joe the plumber small business men too... How else do Barack's supporters expect an Obama Administration is going to change their lives...??  Makes you wonder? ..makes me wonder..for sure.




popeye1250 -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 2:04:05 PM)

Good thing Obama's going to lose.




slvemike4u -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 2:34:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Good thing Obama's going to lose.
Says who ?Certainly not the polls I'm seeing,but please if you know something the rest of us don't ...please share.




bipolarber -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 2:38:43 PM)

Funny, over the weekend, the talking heads on the chat shows were debating whether or not it was time to start using the "L" word* in Obama's favor. LOL




*landslide




corysub -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 2:44:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bestbabync

here is a little information.  Sen. Obama stated this past week that our taxes will be no higher than the Clinton years.  Just giving everyone a little heads up.  i found this interesting:

www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/

Taxes under Clinton 1999...............Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400.......... Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000.........Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250.........Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800.......Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000.......Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750.....Married making 125K - tax $31,250


Interesting numbers.  You can also bet that whatever tax policy Obama/Pelosi/Reid shove down the throats of hard working people, your numbers are going to turn out to be low.  Obama is a man of "words"...and "spread the wealth around" are probably the scariest words from and man who would be President.  More so when how the wealth of the country is spread around, to whom, for what purpose, and based on what?..."each according to his need"?




pahunkboy -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 2:46:15 PM)

Happily McCain is s0 concerned with MY tax bill- that he authorized 700 billion with a B, in my tax money to go bye byes.

McCain VOTED FOR the bail out.

Any effort to paint him as thrifty with the public til is a joke.




MistressNew -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 2:58:24 PM)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/calmar/2865430343/

Every single reputable news source uses the numbers in the link I provided.  This chart is from the Washington Post. 

I do much better under Obama. 

My tax cut under McCain - $319
My tax cut under Obama - -1,042






Steponme73 -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 3:22:37 PM)

I thought everyone under $250,000 got no tax increase?




BitaTruble -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 3:32:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Steponme73

I thought everyone under $250,000 got no tax increase?


That's true. The OP's numbers are a straw man which have nothing to do with Obama's tax policy.




rulemylife -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 3:46:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bestbabync

here is a little information.  Sen. Obama stated this past week that our taxes will be no higher than the Clinton years.  Just giving everyone a little heads up.  i found this interesting:

www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/

Taxes under Clinton 1999...............Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400.......... Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000.........Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250.........Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800.......Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000.......Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750.....Married making 125K - tax $31,250


You know what I found interesting?  That your link didn't show the data you presented.  I wondered why.
So I did the research you should have done before you posted this inaccurate nonsense.

The first link here, is an exact copy of the chart you posted that this Tax Foundation article debunks.  It is NOT a Tax Foundation chart.  






www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/22958.html
February 19, 2008
Comparing Income Taxes under Bill Clinton and George Bush

by Gerald Prante and Alicia Hansen

Recently an incorrect comparison of income taxes under Presidents Clinton and Bush has been making the rounds of the internet, showing up in forwarded e-mails and on numerous blogs and message boards. (See examples here, here, here, and here.)
This message shows that income taxes under George Bush are lower than income taxes under Bill Clinton, and it relies on Tax Foundation data to make this comparison. The author used a Tax Foundation chart showing the federal individual income tax rates and brackets from 1913 to the present to calculate the income taxes paid by hypothetical married and single taxpayers at various income levels under 1999 tax law and 2008 tax law.
While the basic message of the comparison is correct (federal income taxes have indeed fallen under George Bush for groups at all points on the income spectrum), the chart created by the author of this comparison contains some mathematical errors. Furthermore, the comparisons are exaggerated by the fact that annual inflation adjustments in the tax code would have lowered tax bills in 2008 relative to 1999 under a constant nominal income amount.
The table below presents the correct amount of tax paid by each of the hypothetical taxpayers in the comparison. Note that this comparison does not take into account the Alternative Minimum Tax, and the taxpayers in these examples take the standard deduction and do not have children.
(Click here )


While it does show taxes under Bush in 2008 lower in the corrected chart, it does not take into account the rebate package for that year, which was a one-time deal, not a part of tax law.  Eliminate that and the tax amounts in 1999 and 2008 are virtually identical.

Which brings us to the question of why we are comparing Clinton and Bush tax rates since the last I heard it was highly unlikely either of these guys will be President in '09?




rulemylife -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 3:56:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Steponme73

I thought everyone under $250,000 got no tax increase?


And your point is?

That's exactly what the link showed.




Kirata -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 4:07:37 PM)

~FR~
 
Effect of the Presidential Candidates' Tax Plans on Taxpayers' Marginal Tax Rates
 
K.




bestbabync -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/20/2008 4:55:08 PM)

fast reply


http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23776.html

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23772.html

i hope everyone gained something from the links.  opened my eyes!  there is something on this site for everyone. 

edited because misspelled word as usual!




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