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popeye1250 -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/22/2008 2:56:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight Higher corporate taxes will chase more jobs out of this country to Mexico, China and India. We really need to get out of these rediculous "Free Trade" agreements. Ford,GM, and Chrysler can make cars here and make 500% on them or, they can set up shop in Mexico and make 2,000%. The lynchpin to these "agreements" is that companies always want access to the U.S. market! That's what we need to deny, access. That's what we need to stop or we'll all be working for $6 an hour. If they want to make them overseas then let them sell them overseas.

HunterS -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/22/2008 4:51:44 PM)
quote: Sorry there skippy, but Kirtara and Irish Knight are right. If you were a huge company would you pay higher taxes here, or no taxes in some 3rd world hell hole with no taxes? And I agree CEO's make too much money for doing nothing, but same applies, they can always say the hell with it and move somewhere else with little to no income tax. The world isn't fair, and it sucks. I am sure "skippy" thinks you are right. The world is not fair and it does suck. Who made it that way. When people vote like they thought the political process was a fucking football game...my team against your team... without any concern for the game itself. Cheating is ok if you can get away with it. Why don't we start with all of those who think personal responsibility is important voting to outlaw corporations...A corporation is simply a way to avoid personal responsibility for ones actions. If responsibe people refused to buy from, work for or invest in a corporation they would cease to exist. That is not going to happen because those who want others to be responsible for their actions but not themselves. If someone can make money by investing in a corporation that makes money but uses its political power to avoid responsiblity ...Read EXXON here...who got the supreme court to reduce their fine for the "Exxon Valdez" oil spill by 99%, then they make money and avoid the responsibility for the corporation that they are a share holder in. Next we could have all those people who are against giving taxpayers money to those who don't work for it stop giving taxpayers money to corporations and the officers and shareholders of corporations. BUT NO...they want to focus on some third generation welfare recipient who does not have the education or legal punch to defend themselves. Right now we are involved in a 700 billion dollar give away of taxpayers money to the richest bunch of assholes in this country. If you do the math 700 billion dollars in $100 dollar bills is about 80,000 pounds of money enough to pretty much max out two semi trucks for max wt. load. Then there is 200 billion dollars a year for the fiasco in the sand box. With the add ons that is over a trillion dollars. That is about ten thousand dollars per person. Hunter

Irishknight -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/22/2008 6:41:27 PM)
And raising corporate taxes will fix any of that how? It won't. In fact, it will make things worse. When we make it harder on the corps, they will leave. They have their NAFTA bus tickets and can run away from home at any time. It isn't about some CEO losing his trillion dollar home. Its about the thousands of jobs that would leave the states if we try to force higher taxes on the corps. The first step we have to do is to keep jobs in this country. You are right about our responsibility, Hunter. We need to be willing to pay $10 more for a tire to get one made in the US. My truck runs on 17 inch tires. I pay more for a new set of tires than I did for my first car. I was offered a cheaper tire made in Korea and had to argue to get the American product I wanted. If everyone tried this we might find ourselves in a country where jobs weren't running away at light speed.

BlackPhx -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/22/2008 7:08:51 PM)
The problem is Irishknight, the Corporations are having their cake and eating it too. The jobs are still going away, faster and faster and faster to over seas..nowadays your MRI and X-rays are more likely to be read in India than here. Your insurance company would prefer you to go over seas and have your surgery (You Pay) than pay for it here. But they will continue to reap the profits here from our consumerism, and the tax breaks, and tax credits, while we bail out their lenders with our tax dollars so they can continue to do it. We (America) through the companies are outsourcing everything, our tech support, our tech jobs, our science, our food supplies (remember the melamine in the dog and cat food, the same wheat and rice glutin is used in food and they have found it in baby formula in China), the manufacture of steel, toys, clothing, et al..NOT because taxes are lower in those countries, not because import taxes are lower than taxes here, but because SALARIES are lower over there and they don't have to jump through OSHA or other Federal Hoops until the good are brought back here. Heck they don't even have to own the plant, pay health insurance or anything else that makes manufacture expensive in theis country. No building expense, no insurance, just import taxes and shipping..more Profit. Why pay a Programmer 80K here when you can pay a programmer in India 24k? Why pay a Radiologist 300$ for reading an ultrasound when you can pay one in India 50$ or you can get your insured person to pay $10,000 plus airfare and hotel to have surgery in India or China just by denying them the surgery or making them jump through hoops until they pass on? Obama says stay here and employ people, get tax breaks that makes up for what you lose in profit importing from over seas. More people employed, more people buying and spending. More business..Keep outsourcing..pay more taxes. poenkitten

Irishknight -> RE: projected increase in our taxes if Senator Obama wins the presidency (10/23/2008 5:07:31 AM)
The right plan is to only give tax breaks to those who keep the jobs here and to impose penalties on those who outsource. That is what I've been saying for years. It is the only way to stop antiAmerican companies from destroying what is left of this country. We cannot continue to force more taxes down the throat of those that stay here. It is a guaranty that the jobs will go away if we keep raising corporate taxes. Check into the tax rates that they already pay. They are not getting to have their cake and eat it too. People keep screaming "Tax the rich! Tax the corps!" We already do that. The corps and the rich already pay the majority of taxes in this country. The taxes, wages, and everything else all contribute to these companies being able to make a cheaper piece of trash product over seas than could be made here. If we all took the time to tell them we don't want poisoned toys, drugged food, and disposable alarm clocks, we might be able to make a difference. If everyone refused to buy anything from China or Mexico for two weeks, the corps would start to feel the sting. NAFTA (Now All Fuck The Americans) needs to be ended. No more free ride to corps who cause unemployment in order to save a nickel. You make it in China, you pay an import tarriff. In fact, if you make it in China and there is an incident of poisoning or drugging again, your product gets turned around and refused entry until it is cleared by a thorough safety inspection at your expense. All of these things are part of the puzzle. We all have to play our part to put the thing back together.

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