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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 11:42:12 AM

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Standard English is standard English everywhere. There are plenty of other, more appropriate mechanisms that a sub can use to indicate his submission to me that don't entail making a fool out of himself, unless that is something that I require, which it generally is not.

i fully agree with You Ms. ( Smirks a tad )

PS, have I ever mentioned what a charming, thoughtful, and pleasant person you are? (In spite of your non-standard English.)

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 11:52:27 AM

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Bollocks!

I'm not going to spend any more time discussing this topic. The OP asked us for our opinions, and I gave mine. In fact, I will now make it a point to ask potential partners to abide by the conventions of standard English. If someone persists in bastardising the English language so that he can get his submissive jollies, I will discontinue corresponding with him. I can't see why I would have any interest in someone who can't follow simple, reasonable instructions. Cheekiness is one thing; willful disobedience is quite another.

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 11:53:18 AM

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Thank you for the compliment Ma`am. I admit to using capitals, out of habit. Frankly I am willing to use them, or not, whichever is desired. Although my sister-in-law did ask why she had a birthday card, reading "i hope You have a nice day today"

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 12:03:02 PM

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Quite right too. Sorry, I just felt that the "B" word had to be inserted somehow in an exchange between two English people about correct and incorrect language.

Of course and as you imply: any sub with any sense who still wants to get his submissive jollies will readily jump at following your instructions, anyway.

You have a short email . . .

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Bollocks!

I'm not going to spend any more time discussing this topic. The OP asked us for our opinions, and I gave mine. In fact, I will now make it a point to ask potential partners to abide by the conventions of standard English. If someone persists in bastardising the English language so that he can get his submissive jollies, I will discontinue corresponding with him. I can't see why I would have any interest in someone who can't follow simple, reasonable instructions. Cheekiness is one thing; willful disobedience is quite another.

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 12:28:56 PM

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I just felt that the "B" word had to be inserted somehow in an exchange between two English people about correct and incorrect language.

Bollocks.

You have a short email . . .

Did you use proper capitalisation?

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 12:44:58 PM

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Of course. Frankly, that's how I'd always write unless "my own Domme" were to instruct me otherwise when writing to her. It took me 92, 000 words of a certain piece of writing to develop my own style and I'm not in a hurry to change it arbitrarily.

Mind you, if I were instructed by "my own Domme" to refer to myself as a "boi" I'd find that . . . . . difficult. I cannot stand the word.

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 1:19:21 PM

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Of course. Frankly, that's how I'd always write unless "my own Domme" were to instruct me otherwise when writing to her. It took me 92, 000 words of a certain piece of writing to develop my own style and I'm not in a hurry to change it arbitrarily.

Mind you, if I were instructed by "my own Domme" to refer to myself as a "boi" I'd find that . . . . . difficult. I cannot stand the word.

Of course you realize that you are simply giving them ammunition don't you? If you end up in the service of any of the fine Ladies on this site - it's likely to be "boi" for you boyo.

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 1:36:28 PM

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Yes, I did realise it, Otters. I'm looking forward to being told to refer to myself as "boi" by my future Domme so I can get a little subby buzz out of it.

Except now that I've written this post, she'll make a point of not telling me to refer to myself as "boi", deliberately so that I won't get said buzz.

Then again, if I'm conscious of all the aforesaid, why am I posting this rather than just staying quiet?

Now I'm getting a headache again.

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 1:38:03 PM

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I see something spinning... ahhh yes... that pretty little top... hehe

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 1:44:39 PM

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Shouldn't that be "Top"?

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 1:46:53 PM

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Hey a spinner is a spinner... whether T or t... or S or s... in the end it is still a spinner or top. Pretty to watch sometimes, but also fun to kick.

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 2:08:44 PM

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I stick to middlecase just to be safe.

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 2:11:10 PM

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The only thing I do insist on is the correct use of capital letters where appropriate. I am incredibly fussy about that.

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 2:29:42 PM

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Standard English is standard English everywhere.

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Certain English people - unlike myself, of course - have been heard to say that Americans butcher the entire English language.

Regardless of whether it constitutes butchery, American English and British English are demonstrably different dialects. That alone should be enough to cast serious doubt on the idea that such a thing as `standard English' even exists.

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The Oxford English Dictionary lists "Ms" as a word. Who's to say what the ultimate authority on all this is, if not the OED?

Whoa, there! The OED is an authority on exactly one thing: what `words' people have used when writing in English and what they seemed to have meant when they wrote them. It makes no attempt to define what is or is not a word and no attempt to give an `official' meaning to any word. (By what office could it possibly do that?) The OED does not define the English language; it merely documents it.

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But the more fundamental question is: how and why, then, do you think words get invented?

Heresy! Words were handed down by the gods to the Greeks and the Romans. That is the only way for words to come into being! Well, except for some dirty words invented by the Germans.

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 2:37:15 PM

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Beeble, you and PforH are missing my point: people are welcome to write however they wish, whether it's incorrect or not. But, given my experience with subs, this kind of buggering around is more likely to indicate someone who is playing games. [...]

Fair enough.

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And, by the way, I never use "Ms." It isn't an abbreviation for anything; it isn't even a word.

Oh, please. Not using it is your own decision but please don't try to deride people who do. The fact that it's a relatively new word (early 20th century) hardly prevents it from being a word.

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Mrs is actually an abbreviation for "mistress." Mr is an abbreviation for "master."

Originally, yes. Nowadays, and for quite some time, they've been taken to stand for `missus' and `mister', respectively which, while clearly related words, don't have the tone of overlordship that mistress and master do in modern English.

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Beeble, you're arguing that different rôles allow someone to use non-standard English. I'm saying they don't.

While in a relationship with you or in general?

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 3:36:03 PM

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And, by the way, I never use "Ms." It isn't an abbreviation for anything; it isn't even a word.

Oh, please. Not using it is your own decision but please don't try to deride people who do. The fact that it's a relatively new word (early 20th century) hardly prevents it from being a word.

Where did I deride anyone else for using it? If you are not competent to read for comprehension, perhaps it would be best not to make comments.

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 4:21:17 PM

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Well . . . . exactly, Beeble. There is no ultimate authority - no dictionary, no book of any type, no person. It's all about conventions. But it's funny how difficult it is to shake a belief that there is such an authority and how resistant people are to certain types of change. For example, I remember being told emphatically by a primary school teacher that there's no such word as "alright". Everyone uses it now. Maybe it's I who should shift my brain and not those who use "alright".

Yet I say that, despite the obvious evidence that I've trained myself to write in a very particular way. You likewise. Unlike the majority of writers of English (so I hear) you've trained yourself in the correct use of a semicolon. I mean: it puts the lie to it all, doesn't it? At bottom, we can't plausibly say "these rules are rubbish" - yet follow them as closely as we do . . .

Right, now that I've gone through the two paragraphs above with a fine-toothed comb, I can finally post this!

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 4:23:57 PM

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Venatrix wrote: And, by the way, I never use "Ms." It isn't an abbreviation for anything; it isn't even a word.
beeble wrote: Oh, please. Not using it is your own decision but please don't try to deride people who do. The fact that it's a relatively new word (early 20th century) hardly prevents it from being a word.
Venatrix wrote: Where did I deride anyone else for using it?

`It isn't even a word' sounds pretty derisive to me. I read it as saying that it doesn't meet the least requirements for being a word (whatever they are), since `isn't even a word' carries more weight than `isn't a word'. If that is what you meant, then I'd've thought anyone who uses such an obvious non-word as if it were a word must be pretty dumb.

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 5:10:05 PM

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D/s vs d/s; ya know I just don't know.

You got me back there. Don't know why, but "ya" has always made me grit my teeth. My sister uses it deliberately to wind me up.

Ya is one of those things that I say at times and it comes out in the way I type. Another one of those "I don't know why" things. I say you but certains times BAM, ya comes out. Maybe it's a New York thing.

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RE: Lower case, upper case. - 10/28/2008 5:30:08 PM

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Oh I've probably got lots like that, Usako, believe me. Even in England I get picked up for saying "don't arf", as in "It don't arf get on my wick" ("It really does annoy me"). Cockney grandfather.

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