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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/29/2008 3:33:16 PM   
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Maybe a lot of the challenges depend on the type of business one is in.  I know that when I was in charge of companies and business that was more male oriented, there was more of the 'attitude' but once I showed them I wasn't afraid to get my hands dirty and work along side of them and have my um's with me as well... most respected me and we got on really well.  In an office setting I did see what Aswad was talking about... with the women at each other and the super bitch that went too far because that is how she viewed the men doing things and thought she had to do things a certain way.  Not really my idea of the best manager.  But isn't that slowly changing?  It's been a while for me. lol

My thing was... if you are hired to do a job, do it and if you can't, get the hell out or don't take the job in the first place.  If I had to carry heads or car parts, I better be able to do it and I better know what the part was for and all that.  If I need someone else to back me up, I shouldn't be there.

Typically when I have seen any form of discrimination it was someone more insecure about themselves or their position than anything else and I haven't had a lot of problems with it because I tend to prove myself and then get on with the business at hand.... god I miss working!  I would take those challenges even from the guys with attitude... just to work again. lol

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/29/2008 5:31:37 PM   
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Lockit,

You're absolutely right about the area in which you work and the effect that has on gender relations.  University departments of social science (I have a lot to do with those) are not likely to be places where you're going to find deep and marked sexism going on.  On the other hand, bankers and stockbrokers in the City of London work in a massively male-orientated environment.  Many of the pubs in the City of London didn't even have women's toilets till the mid 1980s. 

It's easy to assume that the culture in which you work is a micro version of the culture of the society in which you live as a whole.  I've made that mistake frequently.

You know, I can't even remember if most of my bosses have been male or female, let alone if there's been a noticeable difference between them.  That's how little it all matters in the area in which I work - and that's how it should be, IMO.

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/29/2008 5:33:34 PM   
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I love dominant women!  No one sucks a dick harder.

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/29/2008 5:35:41 PM   
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I love dominant women!  No one sucks a dick harder.


ROFL... damn it... I almost lost my coffee that one! That was good though... thank you... lol

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/29/2008 5:40:32 PM   
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Er . . . is he right, Lockit?  Do dommes give the best head? 

I'm not going to post this question as a start of a new thread.  I've made enough of an arse of myself in the past few weeks.  Your turn. 

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/29/2008 5:41:35 PM   
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Money is neither male nor female and that's what you go out to work for.

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/29/2008 5:42:49 PM   
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I love dominant women!  No one sucks a dick harder.


We chew, too!!

See, who are those silly folks that say dominants don't do blow jobs? 

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/29/2008 5:44:33 PM   
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Peon.... (evil eye)  I never make an ass of myself and if I do it is someone else's fault! hehe  You will still get the blame!

And answer to your question... brat... is... Not friggin going there!  (shakes head)

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/29/2008 5:56:52 PM   
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Er . . . is he right, Lockit?  Do dommes give the best head? 


Yes.  We do.  I do it with coffee.   It's HOT!  Always get rave reviews and wonderful gasps of surprise.

How are those trousers?


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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/29/2008 6:02:06 PM   
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I like ice better... oh and vice grip thingies on certain other parts.  Still working on the dental metal though...

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/29/2008 7:06:52 PM   
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I never enjoyed ice.  I like it hot.    In more ways than one.

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/29/2008 8:15:23 PM   
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Ice is great when they have a foreskin... 

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/29/2008 8:49:22 PM   
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My thing was... if you are hired to do a job, do it and if you can't, get the hell out or don't take the job in the first place.  If I had to carry heads or car parts, I better be able to do it and I better know what the part was for and all that.  If I need someone else to back me up, I shouldn't be there.


Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit I wish that were the rule at auto parts stores and bike dealerships.

I just think it's interesting (just sayin') that some men don't like dominant women, yet *women*, be they dominant, submissive, or other, have no use for *any* man unless he's dominant/assertive/confident/ad nauseum. Reeeeeeeeeally makes me wonder (just sayin')


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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/29/2008 9:49:06 PM   
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Primates did. Humans continued it.


If nothing else, PLEASE, for Sweet Fucking Jeebus sake, educate yourself sufficiently that you stop peddling this ignorant tripe as if it was true.

The nearest relatives to human kind are from the Genus Pan--the chimpanzees and bonobos. Chimpanzees are a male dominant species, bonobos are a female dominant species, and humankind has continued both traditions.

As for the rest--ugh. I have no idea how you treat people who cut your paychecks, Aswad--if you treat them with respect and courtesy, however, that doesn't mean you aren't sexist. It just means that you aren't a completely self-destructive moron. How we treat people with power to do us serious harm is not the real measure of any human being's character. You learn much more about a person's character when you see how he/she treats those he thinks he can abuse with impunity--verbally or physically.

Witnessing the hostile men who feel the need to come "contribute" to these threads is always a laugh, precisely because you get to see the way they behave when they think they can lash out or treat women as their inferiors without suffering consequences.

Most instructive.

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/29/2008 10:42:02 PM   
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My thing was... if you are hired to do a job, do it and if you can't, get the hell out or don't take the job in the first place.  If I had to carry heads or car parts, I better be able to do it and I better know what the part was for and all that.  If I need someone else to back me up, I shouldn't be there.


Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit I wish that were the rule at auto parts stores and bike dealerships.

I just think it's interesting (just sayin') that some men don't like dominant women, yet *women*, be they dominant, submissive, or other, have no use for *any* man unless he's dominant/assertive/confident/ad nauseum. Reeeeeeeeeally makes me wonder (just sayin')



Now hold on a moment... This isn't the first time you have made statements that is a broad swiping, clump us women all together and decided how we think, feel and act.  (I am not angry)  I would like to caution you on this practice as it won't do you any favors and tends to piss off some of us domme types.  Please do not speak for us and please don't clump us all into a mix of your experiences.  You are coming off rather bitter and for whatever made you bitter, I am sorry... but don't blame that shit on all of us!

Many of us do want confident men and all that you say... but... a lot of us find men who are not these things and help them to reach those goals and some take embittered men and help... What we want sometimes isn't what we get... because some insecure wimp could win our hearts... you can't know and to judge us as you do... is getting a little tedious.  Talking like that could promote more experiences of the negative kind and you are working a cycle there buddy. 

How about a deal?  We don't clump all you submissive's together and you don't clump all us women together.

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/30/2008 6:00:23 AM   
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Discrimination against women in the workplace is very real, especially if the woman is intelligent and pretty - a double threat. If she's too pretty they won't take her seriously, and if she's too smart then she is considered a threat. And the pretty girls don't get promoted. No male manager wants to be the one to promote the pretty girl in the office, because everyone will talk. Most of the time she'll get passed over for promotions and handed the "busy work" projects which the men don't want to do. The men get handed the projects that will make them shine. In order to get ahead, women have to be ruthless bitches. They have to demand those sweet projects and they have to demand respect. They'll get accused of being a bitch and also of being hormonal. I know its better than it used to be, though, but it's still a big problem. 



Unfortunately that is all too true, and the main reason why i left the business world and work for myself.  I also don't like taking orders. ;;-))
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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/30/2008 6:07:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OneMoreWaste

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ORIGINAL: Lockit
My thing was... if you are hired to do a job, do it and if you can't, get the hell out or don't take the job in the first place.  If I had to carry heads or car parts, I better be able to do it and I better know what the part was for and all that.  If I need someone else to back me up, I shouldn't be there.


Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit I wish that were the rule at auto parts stores and bike dealerships.

I just think it's interesting (just sayin') that some men don't like dominant women, yet *women*, be they dominant, submissive, or other, have no use for *any* man unless he's dominant/assertive/confident/ad nauseum. Reeeeeeeeeally makes me wonder (just sayin')


Just sayin your WRONG...you cannot speak for the entire female gender. I love my malesub and he isn't the most confident person in the world. However I can say that yes, most women (not all) do not want a male who sits in the corner twiddling his thumbs staring at the wall because he is to afraid to speak. In fact I don't know to many men who would want a woman like that either, well except a few.

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/30/2008 6:43:48 PM   
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And in reference to your comment to the Gorean guy Aswad, I found it suspect and VERY telling that he answered this post in the women's section.


Yes, it is very telling: it tells that I read the scroller at the top of the page.

And it tells long-timers that I still care about women's rights issues, and still disdain men who are afraid of women and overcompensate by harping on them. Dominant women might not always make viable life partners for dominant men, but they usually make some of the best female friends that a dominant man can have, exactly because dominant people tend not to register as potential mates for each other, so there is no tension or ambiguity there, to say nothing of the value of sharing disposition and/or interests. Really, there are women I'd be honored to number among my friends, if I lived close enough to them to do so.

Najakcharmer, for instance, is a woman I would have been honored to number among my friends.

And she happens to hold the deep and well-earned respect of essentially every man of substance on the Gorean part of the boards, by the way, so I'm not at all sure why it should matter that my views on morals, values and so forth happen to be more congruent to the Gorean ones than to the Western mainstream. If anything, I should have a clue or two as to how men think, and a certain inside perspective on men that I find it hard to believe that you share, although I'm open to all possibilities. It's not as if I'm accusing you of being a puritan, or an oppressor, or a right-wing religious nut, despite you being American. Perhaps some people don't fit the stereotypes, and perhaps some stereotypes aren't all that accurate in the first place.

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Anyone with a brain can tell he is the type of man this thread is about.


The one with a Y-chromosome?

I believe there are more germaine examples to draw lessons from in this thread.

Anyway, what the men in your life have done to you in order to provide you with such a negative view of men, and the ability to generalize it while blatantly discounting the available evidence, I do not know. What I do know, however, is that I have never met you, never harmed or hurt you, and whatever respect or lack thereof you may or may not hold is based on your behavior alone. Consequently, you might want to rethink the role you are casting me in, particularly as I have offered an offline character witness, along with noting one femdom who is more familiar with my posting than you are. I have nothing to hide, and only have something to prove insofar as it is relevant to attempting to motivate those who discount what I say on the basis of my gender to consider the possibility that my gender may not render me incapable of making a well reasoned argument or holding positive values.

Repeating the mistakes of the past is not going to help anyone, after all.

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Some men really feel inferior towards women.


And some people feel the need to polarize an issue along the axis of a false dichotomy.

Superiority and inferiority are meaningless concepts without qualifiers. There are undoubtedly areas where you are superior to me, and there are undoubtedly areas where I am superior to you. This does not imply that either one of us is superior or inferior to the other overall. Which is one of the aspects of my value system which is frequently overlooked by those who are not familiar with it: judging based on individual merit in a given situation. To use a concrete example, your knowledge of what discrimination you experience in your life is undoubtedly superior to mine. At the same time, my knowledge of what goes on in the heads of some of the men who cause you to feel that way is undoubtedly superior to yours. Using both pieces of information allows the interaction between me and you to be constructive, while discounting what the other party says based on notions of gender supremacy or gender inferiority will serve no constructive purpose.

You stand to benefit far more from my perspective than I stand to benefit from yours, seeing as you are the party experiencing discrimination, so it escapes me what you believe you stand to benefit from dismissing my perspective, rather than questioning it, arguing with it or considering it. Until you do, or moderate your view of me, I have no reason to interact further with you on this thread, and would respectfully ask that you accord me the same courtesy.

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/30/2008 7:11:25 PM   
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The nearest relatives to human kind are from the Genus Pan--the chimpanzees and bonobos. Chimpanzees are a male dominant species, bonobos are a female dominant species, and humankind has continued both traditions.


Correct. I was not making a dissertation about the geneology of our species' biology and culture.

And I have mentioned this point on the Gorean subforum when people have incorrectly asserted the opposite, and Naja has elaborated on it a bit.

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I have no idea how you treat people who cut your paychecks, Aswad--if you treat them with respect and courtesy, however, that doesn't mean you aren't sexist.


I was noting that I don't have a problem treating a female coworker or boss with respect and courtesy, the topic of the thread, it seemed to me.

I doubt anything will convince you that I am not sexist otherwise, based on what you've said to me in the past.

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It just means that you aren't a completely self-destructive moron.


That's the nicest thing you've said to me so far, Shakti. Thank you.

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How we treat people with power to do us serious harm is not the real measure of any human being's character.


Whether we hold fast to our principles in the presence of a threat of serious harm is a measure of a human being's character.

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You learn much more about a person's character when you see how he/she treats those he thinks he can abuse with impunity--verbally or physically.


I agree with this as the other side of how we measure a human being's character; the external aspect, as opposed to the internal. There's a memorable quote about it by someone whose name I can't recall. Seems to me that how we treat animals would be a better measure of character in that regard than how we treat fellow humans, but that may just be me.

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Witnessing the hostile men who feel the need to come "contribute" to these threads is always a laugh, precisely because you get to see the way they behave when they think they can lash out or treat women as their inferiors without suffering consequences.


You may feel that men have no insight into why men respond a certain way when women do something, but that would seem to be incongruent with a similar line of reasoning I see from female posters all the time with regard to men and UMs, so the inconcistency seems rather glaring. Anyway, I am not at all sure how you feel that I was lashing out with my contribution to the thread. A man's perspective would seem quite relevant to a discussion of male behavior, and it would seem some of the female posters agree with that. Or is this another one of those threads intended to vent, rather than to solve or debate or understand a problem?

It would be helpful to me to have some idea of how you feel I am treating you or the other women in this thread as inferior, if I am to convey my posts to you in a more palatable manner. Since I'd rather spend my time on the substance, I am inclined to think it is a good idea to make efforts to reduce the time wasted on discussing the manner in which I've said things, so a bit of advice would be appreciated.

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RE: Men who dont like Dominant women - 10/30/2008 7:19:50 PM   
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all that, huh... you're still a misogynist. you know you are. stay on the gorean side, thanks.

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