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puella -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 6:54:50 AM)
Well, I have to say, that initially I thought, yeah stay out of legislating this... But again, what if you take the 'sex' pill out of it. What if someone is denied a drug that regulates chemical imbalances in the brain... what if something happens because of that? I used to work with a lot of people who absolutely needed to take their meds to keep them from harming themself or others (potentially.) Going off your own meds is one thing. Being kept of your meds is another. Where lies the culpability then? And yeah I know it is a hypothetical but it is a legitimate thought extension. And honestly, if anything happened to my aunt either because she couldn't get her meds or because she had to travel so far to get them that , her frailty was greatly increased...I would be more than pissed, I would feel violated. In a way it places a pharmacist in a position to supersede the decision of a doctor, and that to me seems incredibly dangerous.

sirsholly -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 6:57:40 AM)
my feeling...if a doctor orders it i do not feel a pharmacist has the right/authority to reject it because of his personal beliefs. I do not give a shit what the pharmacists moral code is...fill the damn script!

tsatske -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 6:57:47 AM)
quote: When medical professionals have outdated medieval beliefs, it's time to rethink the way they're hired in the first place. Are you actually suggesting that people who belong to religions that you don't like should be blocked from certain proffessions? Unable to get a job, maybe. But legeally blocked from actually entering a proffession? It works both ways, you know. Without enough people in the 'crazy religions', there is a dirth of people to treat patients from the 'crazy religions'. When I was pregnant, My private, high-risk specialist used the local clinic serving, public hospital for many services, ultrasounds, ect. Becuase it was the best equiped by far. But they serve a large indigent population, as well. Everytime I recieved a service there (ultrasound, whatever) I was required to sign a paper saying that I understood that they could not gaurentee me a doctor of a certain gender. This made me so MAD! Mad because it was never aimed at me - I don't care what my doctors plumbing looks like, xhe is not going to be showing it to me, anyway. It was aimed at the growing Muslem community. Devout Muslem women are not allowed to be treated by Male Physicains. (this is why the Taliban concepts were so stupid - so hated by the people there. because the Taliban said women could not work - in a country that, pre Taliban, had more Women in high paying proffessions than any other country on the planet. They didn't just toss thousands of women out of their jobs - they left women all over the country with no access to medical care at all.) There can not be so many Muslem women that they can't find the occasional female tech to take care of her. It is pure descrimination. They will find, (because the law requires it) a medically trained (yes, that part is in the law) translator for ANY language, when ever necessary - borroborro, ifen that's what you speak - and they can't find a female tech to do a sonogram on a Muslem woman? really? (xray techs is a female dominated profession anyway - how hard can this be?) No, I do not approve of suggesting that if you don't like someone's religion, they should be disqualified from certain professions.

lronitulstahp -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 6:57:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol What I want to know is how these pharmacists are trained and how they end up qualifying and getting licensed. When medical professionals have outdated medieval beliefs, it's time to rethink the way they're hired in the first place. Well Sweetie, i love you to bits, but i suppose we're bound to disagree sometimes. i think the belief shouldn't discredit their ability to practice their profession. i am a person of faith...but i think my faith should only go as far as affecting me, seeing that my relationship with G-d is a personal one. That is where these folks become questionable. Faith can't be a reason for denying someone else to practice their civil rights. If your belief is so strong that it hinders anyone elso from living their lives freely...it's time for a court to get involved, or for you to pray that you find another occupation. Believing doesn't make someone medieval...tryig to force your beliefs upon others, does.

kittinSol -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 6:58:25 AM)
Have you noticed how female patients are always the ones whose needs are not being met because of 'religious beliefs'? Strange, non?

kittinSol -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 6:59:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp Believing doesn't make someone medieval...tryig to force your beliefs upon others, does. You're right, tulip; I wrote too hastily. I didn't mean their beliefs should disqualify them, but rather that their acting on their beliefs shouldn't be acceptable. Thank you :-) .

tsatske -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 7:01:34 AM)
quote: Not wanting to hijack, but this is completely inaccurate, tsatske. Why? did they change their mind? I read news stories about it- new laws in France making Burkas illegeal. Or, am I just overstating or overgeneralizing? I didn't mean it would be illegeal to cover their hair with a hat or scarf - the law was supposed to be something about 'overtly visiable displays of Religion' - the Ministers (what the French call their politicians, i don't mean Pastors) that I heard interviewed said it would not keep a Catholic from wearing a cruxifix, but said bluntly that it was aimed at Burkas, which many people find offensive reminders of a faith they find offensive. Did they drop the law? Or do I just misunderstand it?

puella -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 7:01:51 AM)
This is just an aside to kittinSol and really has nothing to do with my OP... but did you see that article about McCain stopping the 'straight talk express' when a reporter asked him about what he would do about the many insurance companies that will cover Viagra and penis enhancing drugs but not birth control... heheh

celticlord2112 -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 7:06:45 AM)
quote: What if someone is denied a drug that regulates chemical imbalances in the brain... what if something happens because of that? I used to work with a lot of people who absolutely needed to take their meds to keep them from harming themself or others (potentially.) No one is being "denied" anything. The pharmacist is refusing to sell a product. He has that right. The customer has the right to take whatever prescription elsewhere to get the prescribed medicine. That is exactly as it should be. There is no religious controversy, no question of medical ethics. There is no problem of any kind here.

puella -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 7:08:24 AM)
Refusing to dispense a medication dictated by a Doctor is refusing something and as I stated before, not everyone can just go to another store...see above references.

Dnomyar -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 7:10:28 AM)
A little different slant on this. My doctor is always perscribing new medications for me. The problem I have trying to get them is Blue Cross saying that they will not pay for them. Now my co worker can get those medications from Blue Cross. Whats the deal??? So my co worker is useing her co pay to get them while Im getting free samples from my doctor. By the way we have the same Doctor and same medical plan. .

sirsholly -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 7:13:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: What if someone is denied a drug that regulates chemical imbalances in the brain... what if something happens because of that? I used to work with a lot of people who absolutely needed to take their meds to keep them from harming themself or others (potentially.) No one is being "denied" anything. The pharmacist is refusing to sell a product. He has that right. The customer has the right to take whatever prescription elsewhere to get the prescribed medicine. That is exactly as it should be. There is no religious controversy, no question of medical ethics. There is no problem of any kind here. he has the right to shove his personal beliefs off on me? ETA...what if a doctor (trained professional...like a pharmacist) refused to treat a homosexual patient because their personal belief went against homosexuality?

puella -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 7:21:07 AM)
Just as another aside... As an 18 year old novice (stop laughing, yes I used to be a nun), and a rather butt ugly virgin of a nun as well, I was on birth control pills. I was not having sex (no priest jokes, please). I had such terrible periods that I was becoming anemic and my hemoglobin was so low that I had to be hospitalized. The prescription for regulating my menses was .... birth control, and it worked wonderfully! Even though they put me on the pill, I was not having sex! So.. does the pharmacist get to probe into my sexual life to see if it is okay (non sexual in nature) for me to have a prescription for birth control pills? See how this gets hairy and out of control?

kittinSol -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 7:26:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tsatske I read news stories about it- new laws in France making Burkas illegeal. No, tsatske. While there's no denying that the right-wing ministers that were involved had racist, divisive and demagogic motives, the hijab has been banned for employees of public administrations, but most importantly for students within public schools. France is a racist society in may aspects, but it is also a highly secular country where displays of religious appartenance of any nature tend to be laughed at at best... However, you said that it had become against the law for Muslim women in France to wear the veil... which is, quite plainly, completely false. France is still a democracy, believe it or not. It has its problems, like any other country, and some of them are seriously ugly. You might find this article interesting: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/feb/25/france.religion Puella - sorry for the temporary hijack and thanks for your patience :-) .

kittinSol -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 7:28:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: puella This is just an aside to kittinSol and really has nothing to do with my OP... but did you see that article about McCain stopping the 'straight talk express' when a reporter asked him about what he would do about the many insurance companies that will cover Viagra and penis enhancing drugs but not birth control... heheh I missed it - where can I find it :-D ? And... I think prostate enhancement vitamins are immoral. They should be banned; by making their plumbing system to work more efficiently, they encourage men to be dirty humpy pigs. Boycot pharmacies that carry Viagra and prostate enhancement vitamins, sisters!

Darias -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 7:31:02 AM)
doesn't pharmacy's come under the heading of service industry i mean mr pill dispenser is providing a service right? so by refusing to fill prescriptions scribbled by a doc because of his beliefs isn't he in fact discriminating against the customer because of her beliefs? he believes she shouldn't have the birth control pills. she believes (based on her docs prescription ) that she should and what happens when the local superstore decides not to sell vegetables cause the last harvest made carrots too expensive? discrimination against vegans? my thoughts.. if you cant provide a service to all who need it then find another job

rulemylife -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 7:31:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tsatske quote: When medical professionals have outdated medieval beliefs, it's time to rethink the way they're hired in the first place. Are you actually suggesting that people who belong to religions that you don't like should be blocked from certain proffessions? Unable to get a job, maybe. But legeally blocked from actually entering a proffession? It works both ways, you know. Without enough people in the 'crazy religions', there is a dirth of people to treat patients from the 'crazy religions'. When I was pregnant, My private, high-risk specialist used the local clinic serving, public hospital for many services, ultrasounds, ect. Becuase it was the best equiped by far. But they serve a large indigent population, as well. Everytime I recieved a service there (ultrasound, whatever) I was required to sign a paper saying that I understood that they could not gaurentee me a doctor of a certain gender. This made me so MAD! Mad because it was never aimed at me - I don't care what my doctors plumbing looks like, xhe is not going to be showing it to me, anyway. It was aimed at the growing Muslem community. Devout Muslem women are not allowed to be treated by Male Physicains. (this is why the Taliban concepts were so stupid - so hated by the people there. because the Taliban said women could not work - in a country that, pre Taliban, had more Women in high paying proffessions than any other country on the planet. They didn't just toss thousands of women out of their jobs - they left women all over the country with no access to medical care at all.) There can not be so many Muslem women that they can't find the occasional female tech to take care of her. It is pure descrimination. They will find, (because the law requires it) a medically trained (yes, that part is in the law) translator for ANY language, when ever necessary - borroborro, ifen that's what you speak - and they can't find a female tech to do a sonogram on a Muslem woman? really? (xray techs is a female dominated profession anyway - how hard can this be?) No, I do not approve of suggesting that if you don't like someone's religion, they should be disqualified from certain professions. I seem to be a little confused. Your whole post presents the argument that one's religion should not influence their profession because it is discrimination. Yet your premise and conclusion are exactly the opposite.

puella -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 7:31:56 AM)
Here ya go

RainydayNE -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 7:42:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Have you noticed how female patients are always the ones whose needs are not being met because of 'religious beliefs'? Strange, non? strange and puzzling indeed. i had to deal with this during a perceived "emergency" in my first relationship. the doctors have to jump through hoops and prescribe somethign else other than what they want to, THEN tell you to misuse it on purpose =p otherwise the pharmacists will go "i don't believe you should have that" and won't dispense it. your rights end where someone else's begin. and if your religion starts interfering with other people's lives and their WELL-BEING, then there's something wrong. ( and there aren't always other pharmacies. what if you live in a small town where there's only ONE pharmacy. i think patients should have a reasonable expectation of being able to fill a prescription that a doctor wrote for them. if the medicines were illegal or something, then i'd understand, but they're not. =p what if a pharmacist doenst want to carry drugs for AIDS patients becuase he or she believes that, morally speaking, people shouldn't get AIDS in the first place? or what if they don't want to carry drugs for Type II diabetes since it can be controlled (in some cases) by weight loss and they feel that being overweight is immoral? yes, it's a much more serious situation than birth control or something, but it's essentially the same idea. you have to be able to function within a broader society that may or may not believe the same things you do. like, in new york, there was a rash of muslim cabbies who didn't want to carry passengers with dogs, even seeing-eye dogs. but since this is America, and not a fundamentalist state, they have to anyway. i'm a vegetarian but my taxes still go to subsize beef i don't eat. =p i don't support abortion because i think the little dudes have rights once they get started, but abortion is legal in america and i'm not going to go bomb clinics to make a point. =p

MissEnchanted -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 8:00:41 AM)
"If this emboldens other pharmacies in other parts of the state, it could really affect low-income and rural women in terms of access," said Tarina Keene, executive director of the Virginia chapter of the National Abortion Rights Action League. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fanatix! Gee, we can have 70% Mexican population in the US by 2030, isn't that great? More Welfare being sucked out of our overtaxed, dilapidated and bloated system, and they can have 'their' country back. But heh! They will be good Christians, making tons of babies, being loyal to their faith and making millions of Catholic babies to fill the church coffers. The church will rehire (in secret) lots of priests, so our children can be 'trained' in secret, and messed up for life. Fifteen year old girls getting pregnant, unable to support themselves and never going to college. Then they get a crappy job, so their children do not get to learn music, art, and they don't have enough money or time to get their kids into sports, gymnastic lessons, or eat healthy food. We'll be speaking Spanish, all the commercials and bill boards will be bilingual, so you won't be able to see the tiny print in Spanish that covers all those Viagra prescriptions that you can pick up 2 minutes away from your house. But heh! You're being a good Christian, so that's all that counts, right? Suuure.........

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