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Lucylastic -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 8:02:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: puella Just as another aside... As an 18 year old novice (stop laughing, yes I used to be a nun), and a rather butt ugly virgin of a nun as well, I was on birth control pills. I was not having sex (no priest jokes, please). I had such terrible periods that I was becoming anemic and my hemoglobin was so low that I had to be hospitalized. The prescription for regulating my menses was .... birth control, and it worked wonderfully! Even though they put me on the pill, I was not having sex! So.. does the pharmacist get to probe into my sexual life to see if it is okay (non sexual in nature) for me to have a prescription for birth control pills? See how this gets hairy and out of control? I agree with you, both myself and my eldest daughter have been on the "pill" for heavy painful, periods, myself with ovarian cysts and other stuff, Ive been sterile for nearly 18 years, but have been on the pill for eight years, hopeless as birth control, but they sure help with cysts and heavy periods. Altho they come with their own issues, but thats another story Lucy

kittinSol -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 8:03:11 AM)
[sm=lame.gif] ... and gross.

lronitulstahp -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 8:05:48 AM)
mierda de toro.....[:'(]

sirsholly -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 8:06:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissEnchanted Gee, we can have 70% Mexican population in the US by 2030, isn't that great? More Welfare being sucked out of our overtaxed, dilapidated and bloated system, and they can have 'their' country back. But heh! They will be good Christians, making tons of babies, being loyal to their faith and making millions of Catholic babies to fill the church coffers. The church will rehire (in secret) lots of priests, so our children can be 'trained' in secret, and messed up for life. Fifteen year old girls getting pregnant, unable to support themselves and never going to college. Then they get a crappy job, so their children do not get to learn music, art, and they don't have enough money or time to get their kids into sports, gymnastic lessons, or eat healthy food. We'll be speaking Spanish, all the commercials and bill boards will be bilingual, so you won't be able to see the tiny print in Spanish that covers all those Viagra prescriptions that you can pick up 2 minutes away from your house. But heh! You're being a good Christian, so that's all that counts, right? [sm=wtf.gif]

puella -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 8:08:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissEnchanted "If this emboldens other pharmacies in other parts of the state, it could really affect low-income and rural women in terms of access," said Tarina Keene, executive director of the Virginia chapter of the National Abortion Rights Action League. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fanatix! Gee, we can have 70% Mexican population in the US by 2030, isn't that great? More Welfare being sucked out of our overtaxed, dilapidated and bloated system, and they can have 'their' country back. But heh! They will be good Christians, making tons of babies, being loyal to their faith and making millions of Catholic babies to fill the church coffers. The church will rehire (in secret) lots of priests, so our children can be 'trained' in secret, and messed up for life. Fifteen year old girls getting pregnant, unable to support themselves and never going to college. Then they get a crappy job, so their children do not get to learn music, art, and they don't have enough money or time to get their kids into sports, gymnastic lessons, or eat healthy food. We'll be speaking Spanish, all the commercials and bill boards will be bilingual, so you won't be able to see the tiny print in Spanish that covers all those Viagra prescriptions that you can pick up 2 minutes away from your house. But heh! You're being a good Christian, so that's all that counts, right? Suuure......... Er.... yeah, you actually did say that out loud.... That was pretty ugly. \[:o]

RainydayNE -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 8:13:30 AM)
woah. ugly doesn't even begin to describe that

HalfShyHalfWild -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 8:18:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissEnchanted "If this emboldens other pharmacies in other parts of the state, it could really affect low-income and rural women in terms of access," said Tarina Keene, executive director of the Virginia chapter of the National Abortion Rights Action League. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fanatix! Gee, we can have 70% Mexican population in the US by 2030, isn't that great? More Welfare being sucked out of our overtaxed, dilapidated and bloated system, and they can have 'their' country back. But heh! They will be good Christians, making tons of babies, being loyal to their faith and making millions of Catholic babies to fill the church coffers. The church will rehire (in secret) lots of priests, so our children can be 'trained' in secret, and messed up for life. Fifteen year old girls getting pregnant, unable to support themselves and never going to college. Then they get a crappy job, so their children do not get to learn music, art, and they don't have enough money or time to get their kids into sports, gymnastic lessons, or eat healthy food. We'll be speaking Spanish, all the commercials and bill boards will be bilingual, so you won't be able to see the tiny print in Spanish that covers all those Viagra prescriptions that you can pick up 2 minutes away from your house. But heh! You're being a good Christian, so that's all that counts, right? Suuure......... I don't know whether to slowly back away or look for the hidden cameras.

LadyEllen -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 8:22:33 AM)
I think the idea was that strong Christian culture doesnt help out anyone but those controlling it, and in fact does harm to people and society, using the Catholic example of Mexico to illustrate that and also possibly explaining why so many are welcomed in - because it changes the balance between religion and secular influence in the country. E

kittinSol -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 8:29:55 AM)
The idea was to use the thread as an excuse to spew xenophobic racist shit, LadyE, let's not mince words here.

MissEnchanted -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 9:17:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: puella This is just an aside to kittinSol and really has nothing to do with my OP... but did you see that article about McCain stopping the 'straight talk express' when a reporter asked him about what he would do about the many insurance companies that will cover Viagra and penis enhancing drugs but not birth control... heheh No, have a link? And to add to my previous post re pharmacies: I'd Boycott that joint. hahaha

MissEnchanted -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 9:21:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: What if someone is denied a drug that regulates chemical imbalances in the brain... what if something happens because of that? I used to work with a lot of people who absolutely needed to take their meds to keep them from harming themself or others (potentially.) No one is being "denied" anything. The pharmacist is refusing to sell a product. He has that right. The customer has the right to take whatever prescription elsewhere to get the prescribed medicine. That is exactly as it should be. There is no religious controversy, no question of medical ethics. There is no problem of any kind here. he has the right to shove his personal beliefs off on me? ETA...what if a doctor (trained professional...like a pharmacist) refused to treat a homosexual patient because their personal belief went against homosexuality? That might be next. Then: not treating anyone that isn't Christian or anyone who does not go to THEIR church.

MissEnchanted -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 9:28:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: puella Just as another aside... As an 18 year old novice (stop laughing, yes I used to be a nun), and a rather butt ugly virgin of a nun as well, I was on birth control pills. I was not having sex (no priest jokes, please). I had such terrible periods that I was becoming anemic and my hemoglobin was so low that I had to be hospitalized. The prescription for regulating my menses was .... birth control, and it worked wonderfully! Even though they put me on the pill, I was not having sex! So.. does the pharmacist get to probe into my sexual life to see if it is okay (non sexual in nature) for me to have a prescription for birth control pills? See how this gets hairy and out of control? I agree with you, both myself and my eldest daughter have been on the "pill" for heavy painful, periods, myself with ovarian cysts and other stuff, Ive been sterile for nearly 18 years, but have been on the pill for eight years, hopeless as birth control, but they sure help with cysts and heavy periods. Altho they come with their own issues, but thats another story Lucy Lucy, Wow! I forgot about that! If it helps with your painful symptoms and you have to drive an hr to get scrip. Life happens: you get busy or sick, thought the pill pack was full, change docs, the far away pharmacy was out of that scrip and asks you to come back next week to get it filled; wow. That'd be tough and may be a reality soon. Also, with many insurance companies...you can only get one month supply at a time. Maybe sympathetic docs could write 4 months of scrip that can be picked up each visit to that far away pharmacy. [:o]

igor2003 -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 9:40:33 AM)
I do think that it is kind of shallow that some pharmacies will refuse to sell certain items based on their religious beliefs and I can understand your frustration. However, and on the other hnad, if I was that store owner and I felt it was morally and ethically wrong to sell these items and thus promoting certain acts that I can't agree with then it should be well within my rights to not sell them. If I owned a store and felt strongly that people should not smoke I don't think I should be forced to sell tobacco in any form even if I was the only store in town that would normally carry that item. If I was the only carpenter in town and I was approached by members of the Ayrian Nations who wanted me to build a cross for them, I would like to have the option of saying "No" to them because I don't agree with what they represent. If I was the only automobile dealer in a small town and I happen to sell Fords (since I want to help the American economy by selling American products) then I don't want to be forced to import some kind of European car just to indulge the desires of one individual. So, in the long run I don't think a pharmacy should be "forced" to carry items that they feel are morally or ethically wrong even if they are the only pharmacy in town. One option would be to put that pharmacy out of business by "forcing" them to go against their beliefs, but then you are left with no pharmacy at all. I don't think you want the government forcing you to do things that you find morally or ethically wrong, so I don't think you should expect that of the other guy just because of the kind of business he happens to be in.

kittinSol -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 9:42:50 AM)
A pharmacist isn't an adult novelty store owner though - if they don't like the heat of having to deal with human beings' iffy medical issues (and specifically, women's health, booh, evil, nasty creatures)... then they have no business promoting healthcare to anyone.

puella -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 9:43:03 AM)
Hi igor.. There is a huge difference between selling tobacco and filling a prescription given to a patient by doctor, do you not think?

igor2003 -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 9:52:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: puella Hi igor.. There is a huge difference between selling tobacco and filling a prescription given to a patient by doctor, do you not think? First, I'm not saying they are right, wrong, or indifferent. Only that they should have the right to decide what to sell based on their own moral issues. The initial question was about contraceptives. Hardly a life or death item in most instances. But if the pharmacist has deep religious or moral issues about dispencing these types of items then I don't think the government or anyone else should be forcing them to go against their beliefs any more than the government should be forcing you to go against YOUR beliefs. Isn't the law supposed to be equal for all?

puella -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 10:00:10 AM)
Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I just think there is a vast difference between choosing to sell condoms and choosing to countermand a doctors diagnosis and fill a legal prescription. BTW... birth control pills, as has been stated in this thread before, are used for more than just keeping women from getting pregnant.

MissEnchanted -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 10:02:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen I think the idea was that strong Christian culture doesnt help out anyone but those controlling it, and in fact does harm to people and society, using the Catholic example of Mexico to illustrate that and also possibly explaining why so many are welcomed in - because it changes the balance between religion and secular influence in the country. E Exactly Lady E. I have been watching the stats, know people who cannot get jobs or insurance, medical help, etc. because they are white. The market down the street that has mostly Spanish-speaking cashiers at the four check-out stands who do not speak any English, so you cannot ask any questions related to the buying of food. I am aware of what is happening, am not a bigot, read the newspaper almost every day. I see who is committing up to 80% of the crime in Calif, and recently read of the population explosion happening in the Mexican Catholic communities all over the US. If you read and look at the stats, our system is being drained exponentially and is only going to get worse with millions of new babies who's families (many illegal) get free medical, free food, have 10 people living in one house because they only pay $300 of their welfare for rent on HUD, work for cash, hide that, and have boyfriends living with them (undeclared to HUD) who buy new hot cars, boats, motor homes, clothes, new stuff, etc. I have seen this with my own eyes. I see the prejudice towards white people (especially white women) in many pretty brown eyes. I LOVE many things about my Mexican friends and Mexican boyfriends I have had in the past. I do NOT care what the color of anyone's skin is, and actually...I think brown skin, or very dark skin is the most beautiful. I have the utmost respect for anyone (whatever color) coming to our country, learning English, becoming a citizen, getting a good job and flowing that cash back into the system here, making a family, and having a colorful bunch of neighbors. I think learning to speak three languages in grade school is a smart idea and communication is necessary to weave a tapestry of peace throughout the world, and with our next-door neighbor. I know there is a huge organization based out of Mexico who's sole purpose is to 'take back the US'. It is funded with lotsa money, and one of the primary stated goals is to 'make plenty of babies and bear them in the US, so they are 'legal'. These are just facts and do not make me a bigot. Also, this is an open forum, and my mind works quickly on a good day. I am able to take several different things and see how they relate to the world we live in. I have seen many things change in the past 30 years. It makes me sad when my college-educated friends who have worked here for 30 years unable to get a decent job joking about living out of their cars. It makes me sad to see other good friends lose half their savings due to greedy and unethical people. My mother-in-law at 65 has had to go back to work after working as a teacher for 25 years, raising four kids and taking care of my dad for five years when he was sick with Leukemia. I have hijacked here to defend my response to the article link posted above. It is all related. I was just adding some facts to the puzzle. If you make an assumption of me, well, you know the rest... ME

Lucylastic -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 10:06:13 AM)
Well MCCain doesnt know what to make of the birth control/ penile enhancement issue either http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2y8dYwq01g Yeah its an old clip, but still relevant to me Lucy

igor2003 -> RE: Faith based drug stores.... (10/29/2008 10:12:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: puella Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I just think there is a vast difference between choosing to sell condoms and choosing to countermand a doctors diagnosis and fill a legal prescription. BTW... birth control pills, as has been stated in this thread before, are used for more than just keeping women from getting pregnant. I know very well about the birth control pills being for more than birth control. My ex-wife had been started on them at the age of 13 for menstrual issues, not for birth control. On most of the perscriptions I get the doctor usually writes on the perscription what the drug is for. For instance, "Take one pill every four to six hours for headaches". Do you know that these pharmacies aren't filling perscriptions when the perscription calls for that item for other than contraceptive purposes? If a pharmacist doesn't know that some drugs are used for more than one purpose then I would not want to be going to him....or her....anyway. And regardless, this is still America with equal rights for everyone. If they start forcing the pharmacies to go against THEIR morral beliefs, next they will be forcing me to go against mine. I'd rather it didn't go there.

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