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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:00:48 AM   
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that is why i live in the US.  i am glad that i live in a country that does not accept mediocre.  everyone in the US if they want to become a business owner can.  i choose not too.  but the business owner that i work for, i do not fault him for his success.  i do not have to keep working for him, i have a choice! 

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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:03:48 AM   
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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:05:57 AM   
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Lady

that is why i live in the US.  i am glad that i live in a country that does not accept mediocre.  everyone in the US if they want to become a business owner can.  i choose not too.  but the business owner that i work for, i do not fault him for his success.  i do not have to keep working for him, i have a choice! 
Isn't it great to be able to say that.....PRO-CHOICE!!!!!
 
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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:07:32 AM   
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Lady

that is why i live in the US.  i am glad that i live in a country that does not accept mediocre.  everyone in the US if they want to become a business owner can.  i choose not too.  but the business owner that i work for, i do not fault him for his success.  i do not have to keep working for him, i have a choice! 
Isn't it great to be able to say that.....PRO-CHOICE!!!!!
 
~i'm phatslutinorlando, and i approve this message
Another gem from you this morning. 

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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:08:22 AM   
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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:11:23 AM   
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Lady

that is why i live in the US.  i am glad that i live in a country that does not accept mediocre.  everyone in the US if they want to become a business owner can.  i choose not too.  but the business owner that i work for, i do not fault him for his success.  i do not have to keep working for him, i have a choice! 


I suspect most live in the US because thats where they were born and they lack the funds or curiosity to even learn about, still less visit, still less move permanently to somewhere else. Its exactly the same here by the way - the only foreign experience most Brits have is their vacation to the Spanish coast where they live with Brits and in a commercial environment set up to be Britain Under The Sun.

As to mediocre, I have to disagree. From what I have learned here, the US is quite content as a whole with mediocre, as long as its the right kind of mediocre. But again, its the same here.

But I'm curious as to how its in any way different in the US when it comes to setting up a business. Here, unless one has wealthy backers one must go to the bank and borrow money - and unless one has some sort of security one will be out on one's ear. If its that easy to set up in business over there, and such is the American Dream (TM), and the last eight years have seen supposedly the most business friendly environment, then how come everyone isnt doing it? The reason everyone here isnt doing it, is because they lack the funding to do so- the know how, the drive or determination to do so is also important of course, but lacking money those other factors make one merely an employee at best.

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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:12:53 AM   
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It's odd that more people aren't aware that Obama's plan is the same frickin' plan that prolonged the great depression... and it's also extremely odd that so many people fear knowledge of that.




Prolonged the Depression huh?

I know there have been a great many opinions put forth about that, but I think if you actually research things written at the time you will find that most of that belief has been recent revisionist history designed to promote conservative policies.

Would you really want a country without Social Security or FDIC insurance?







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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:16:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, its for certain the Great Depression could have been shortened a great deal if things had been left to their own devices.

After all, a few million starving to death under canvas in a land of plenty would have adjusted things much more quickly - in fact within about ten weeks things would have started to improve; full employment would have returned shortly thereafter as those surplus to the requirement were removed from the workforce.

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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:18:32 AM   
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kitt

i went to college, paid back my student loans!  i am a single mother of 2 daughters, both in college.  i do not own a business but i work for my pay.  i have health insurance and a pension.  i clothed and fed my kids all the while buying my home.  guess what, i do not want a handout from the government.  i am proud of my accomplishments.  there are millions of women just like me!




No, you're far too modest, you are special, an exception. The rest of us want a government handout because we didn't have your drive and determination.



oh great!  i am an exception!  do i get a prize?  yeah i do.  take out the "z" and put in a "d".....PRIDE......yeah that is it!  i work and i get money

i am not rich, but i am responsible for me and mine. 

the government is not the answer folks.  as many of you have argued over and over.  they have fucked this country up so damn bad.  why do we want more government to fuck it up more???

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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:19:03 AM   
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I am totally lost here.  Didn't Bush and Paulson just push through a massive wealth redistribution plan from the middle class (via a deficit that will need to be paid off) to the wea;thy finance companies and the six-figure employees there?  I'd sure as hell LIKE to get some of that back with Obama's redictribution plan.


Allow me to help.

When you take money from the poor and middle class and give it to the wealthy this is capitalism and it is good.

When you take money from the wealthy and give it to the poor and middle class this is socialism and it is bad.

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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:23:45 AM   
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the government is not the answer folks.  as many of you have argued over and over.  they have fucked this country up so damn bad.  why do we want more government to fuck it up more???
Okay, let me get on my soap box for a minute.  The governement is NOT the answer, I agree.  But as long as I am a member of society and a citizen in a country I will participate in my governement.  That being said, I will work toward inserting what I think are moral imperatives into MY government, the same governement I pay taxes to.  For example:  I want a society where children don't go hungry; parents don't have to work multiple jobs to afford to live (and thus prevents them from time with their children); someone goes bankrupt over lack of insurance; etc, etc.  These are my goals for my community, my society, my country.  And by god, if that means taking some heat from people calling me a commie or insinuating that proper safety nets are "hand outs" then so be it, I can live with that.  UGGGHHHHH, I'll stop here.  Go about your business.

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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:24:42 AM   
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there have been small businesses starting up in this country at record numbers in the past 50years.  most if not all are paying 30 to 40% of their profits in taxes.  80% of the working citizens in this country work for these small businesses.  small business has not been a dream here in the US, it has been a reality.

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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:28:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Quick reply to the thread in general -When Mr. Obama raises taxes on corporations and the wealthy, who in fact will pay those taxes ? The CEO's and businesses will pass them along to all of us in the form of increased cost of goods and services. In fact, an increased tax for the wealthy is an increased tax for us all. Think about it -
Edited to add, NO, I'm not wealthy, nor do I own a business.


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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:30:22 AM   
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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:32:38 AM   
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Hitler and Stalin had good plans for the poor people.


Very true.

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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:37:35 AM   
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why do we want more government to fuck it up more???


I thought that was obvious. Because we want a handout.


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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:38:44 AM   
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cost of goods and services will go up, i agree with you!  but don't forget, jobs will be eliminated as well to compensate for higher taxes.

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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:40:23 AM   
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jobs will be eliminated as well to compensate for higher taxes.


Wonderful, even more the reason to sit on our arses waiting for our government handouts.


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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:43:23 AM   
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there have been small businesses starting up in this country at record numbers in the past 50years.  most if not all are paying 30 to 40% of their profits in taxes.  80% of the working citizens in this country work for these small businesses.  small business has not been a dream here in the US, it has been a reality.


But - surely its morally wrong for businesses to pay any taxes whatever? Their profits are derived from the efforts of their owners and employees and the assets in which they have invested? Why should the government get a cut of any sort, let alone 30-40% of the profit? It wasnt the government that invested, it wasnt them that spent 80 hours a week working to produce that success.

And what do they do with that money? Hand it out amongst the community (having taken a hand out for themselves that they neither earned nor warranted) to provide for defence, infrastructure, policing, justice system et al for the benefit of still others who didnt earn a penny of that money!

Its wrong I tell ya!

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RE: Obama plan a blast from the past. - 10/30/2008 8:44:44 AM   
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