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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 7:52:27 PM   
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http://www.gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?NavGuid=99ac1df3-2e0b-454c-a039-dffd66849533

i am sure you will not approve of this link, but whateva!


Yeah, it's kind of hard to approve of anything this ridiculous.  From your link:

In his only two votes on confirming Supreme Court nominees, Obama voted against two of the five justices (Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito) who later affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller.

So I guess Obama used his psychic powers to vote against confirmation of these two Justices because he knew that this case would reach the Supreme Court and they would decide this way.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 7:53:03 PM   
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oh do not worry, vegas...i voted for freedom & liberty.  yes i did! 

maybe you should express this concern to the others on the boards that vote based on Roe vs Wade or he is a black man.



I don't have anywhere near the training nor the patience to say anything that will make a difference to anyone who is casting their vote based on the color of someone's skin instead of the content of their character, but it does my heart good to hear that fewer people than I've noticed in the past are casting their vote on a single issue.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 7:55:04 PM   
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but MM, they support Obama because of his promises to them, not on his record.  i do not believe anything that Obama says, he broke his promise to us once, what would stop him from breaking another and another and another.

edited to correct my bad spelling as usual.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 7:56:50 PM   
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hmmmm...owning a gun makes you a patriot....new concept for me....
Have to right that one down...now I am unpatriotic because I choose not to own a gun.....amazing stuff ....now if owned an arsenal I would be a patriot?....if I sold them to street gangs and they were semi automatic assault weapons I might get a medal? almost as flippant as your remark...If you choose to own a weapon ...fine I could care less...but, real patriot....not so sure that is what qualifies you....


Ok it was meant a little more tongue and cheek. But my point was that the day will come where Americans will have a choice to throw away the constitution or they will have to rise up to defend it. The Patriots will be the ones that decide to take arms against the government and start again.

I know this because I saw the Patriot... and I'm pretty damm sure Mel Gibson was the Patriot and I love that movie - YES it was a good.... But what made it great was Joely Richardson in that dress that did such a great job showing off that very ample breast.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 7:58:52 PM   
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See Jax, now that is a post we can agree on!!!!!

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 7:59:43 PM   
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like i said whateva

it matters not my link or source, in your eyes it is always bad, uneducated, simpleminded or just plain wrong.  no matter, i am always in error.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 8:00:17 PM   
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Whoever the next president is, they're going to be too busy with the economy to deal with the second amendment.  Don't blow this up into more than it needs to be, make your voice heard so they know you like your guns, but don't base your vote on just with everything else that's at stake.

Just have a nice warm glass of milk and go back to sleep, eh?
 
The notion that that they are going to be "too busy" to start enacting anti-gun legislation is thin stuff. And letting them know that we "like our guns" (or anything else, for that matter) has never convinced nanny-minded individuals anywhere that they don't know better what is good for us.
 
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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 8:02:43 PM   
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Message removed, unproductive line of discussion from me.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 8:03:00 PM   
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No offense guys but there isn't anyone on this board with half my experience in the gun business.  You have lost FAR more gun rights under Republicans than you ever have under the Dems.  Just look at the gun bans you know about (there are also import bans you know nothing about) that were done by executive order, all of which could have been recinded by the stroke of a pen under Bush jr.

In case you don't know, m1 carbines and garands would be cheap again if Bush wouldn't stop the imports from Vietnam but they won't let any of that come back in.  Nice new ones, still in the wrap, cheap Colt 1911 too.  But nope, they don't want the middle class having the guns to get pissy about their now worthless 401k.

Who's administration filed a brief AGAINST the 2nd amendment being an individual right.

Plus ATF has been given cart blanch to undermine firearm imports and they are restricting things right and left, no pun intended.  Try and bring in barrels right now, oops you can't.  ATF has redefined what sporting means and we can bring in far less than ever.  I'll take a Clinton style gun ban where it really banned nothing over the very real bans enacted by Republicans.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 8:09:00 PM   
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In response to one who tried to poo poo the statement on Obama being anti gun and also gun and ammo sales increasing....
I heard the very same thing on the news about guns and ammo sales being up quite a bit the last month.  As far as Obama on gun rights, he knows better than to say that he doesn't believe in the 2nd Amendment.  The Dems learned in the 90's that was not something to be on thw rong side of.  The rub in that is, even though they may not come right out and make statements to the fact that they are for restrictive gun laws, they will quietly support any measure that comes down the pike and call it "sensible" in the hopes that most will not pay attention to it.  As far as the votes he has cast, He voted against Senate S.397, which did pass anyway.  This bill provided protections for firearm and ammo makers, dealers, distributors, etc.  The anti gun crowd voted against it, because where they couldnt pass a law to put these people out of business, the open door for frivolous lawsuits would have broken the industry for them.  I don't have the bill numbers in front of me for the following, but Obama has also advocated huge tax increases on firearms and ammo sales, advocated bans on most deer rifle ammo, and advocated that nobody should be allowed a concealed carry permit. 
   As far as me personally, I have a decent collection of guns ranging from shotguns, to assault rifles, to a number of handguns by Glock.  I am waiting to see what happens Tuesday, but if Hussein wins, I will be adding to my collection by at least 4 new guns, including 2 assault rifles.  I will also gather together several thousand rounds of ammo for my Glocks and AR15 rifles, as well as high capacity magazines.  I am not some nutcase waiting to start a war, but I also remember the ridiculous Clinton magazine ban, and how pricey high capacity magazines got, and how hard they were to come by.  This guy, backed by the really liberal Pelosi/Reid Congress, will have no problem stepping on your 2nd Amendent rights to the extent they can.  The recent Heller case in the Supreme Court may have given us some protection by finally stating that the 2nd Amendment is and individual right, I can see where they would have no trouble hitting around the edges by making guns and ammo so expensive, that for the average person, its essentially a ban.  I can also see the ease at which they might restrict magazine capacity, as that isn't violating the 2nd Amendment.  You could still get mags, they would just be smaller. 
I was so thankful the Assault Weapons ban expired.  The Democrats that advocated extending it, wanted to extend also the list of banned weapons to include any weapon used by military or police.  Well, that would basically wipe out most guns right there.  The police use shotguns and handguns that millions own.  The military not only uses assault rifles, but also pistols and shotguns.  They have demonized the 50 caliber rifles, and hunting rifles, as they could be used as sniper weapons.  You might find a few moderate Democrats, particularly from the south, who support gun rights, but the vast majority, especially urban liberal types, hate guns with a passion, and will only need to control the White House and Congress, to start pushing their agenda.  Each piece they bring up will be termed "sensible gun controls"  You just remember I told you so. 

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 8:15:12 PM   
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Im not anti-gun, but often times, the pro gun folks simply do not help themselves in their own cause.  The Second Amendment is hard enough to defend without giving the "Brady Bunch" ammo. 

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2008/10/27/news/doc4905ef6064d83053322674.txt

Personally, I would reject calling this type of accident a "self inflicted" gunshot wound and I would call it felony child neglect. What type of 8 year old has the physical fortitude to properly handle automatic weapon recoil?







I saw this before in another article where the father stated his amazement that this happened.

An Uzi in the hands of an 8 year-old and Daddy just couldn't figure out why the tragedy happened.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 8:16:25 PM   
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You are correct.  If you ban guns, only the law abiding will turn them in.  The criminals do not care about laws anyway, so why would they mind breaking one more?  They did gun bans in England and Australia.  In both cases, immediately following, crime numbers went up.  The criminals now felt less concerned for their safety and victimize people at will.  In a polar opposite response, years ago when Florida enacted concealed carry laws, crime fell.  Funny how that works huh?

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 8:18:53 PM   
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The Socialist Democratic Party of America wants to get people on the government dole.  Once people feel dependent on government programs for a portion of their income, or for their entitlements, they will consistently vote for the party that will maintain them. 

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 8:19:49 PM   
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I voted for Obama, and while I do not like his stances on guns I do know I have two alternatives. Leaning on the congressional members enmasses to make sure no bill gets passed on this singular issue OR Lean on members of the state legislation and call forth a convention of states and pass an amendment to the Consititution that ensures gun rights against the wishes of the Congress and the US government.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 8:20:50 PM   
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you rock Joe!

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 8:22:01 PM   
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Fast Reply
 
Obama on Gun Control from On The Issues
Obama's Gun Dance from Real Clear Politics
 
 

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 8:26:21 PM   
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NRA supports the NRA and their right to arm themselves.  the Pubs happen to share their beliefs.


Sarah and Jim Brady are card carrying republicrats and isn't Sarah the head of HCI (handgun control inc.)and the author and inspiration of the Brady Bill?

H.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 8:31:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Joenextdoor

The Socialist Democratic Party of America wants to get people on the government dole.  Once people feel dependent on government programs for a portion of their income, or for their entitlements, they will consistently vote for the party that will maintain them. 


So you are saying that Bear Stearns,IAG,Lheman Bros. Cargill and Archer Daniels Midland...etc. are all part of the Socialist Demokratic party of Amerika?
Which entitlements are you voting to preserve for yourself?

H.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 8:33:45 PM   
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Hunter

isn't Jim Brady the one that took a bullet in the head when Reagan was shot? 

imho.....the NRA is not partisan/gun rights are not always partisan.  i feel a candidates voting record is important to the NRA, not their party.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 8:34:06 PM   
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The fact that you can name two individuals who oppose our constitutional rights means very little.


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Sarah and Jim Brady are card carrying republicrats and isn't Sarah the head of HCI (handgun control inc.)and the author and inspiration of the Brady Bill?

H.


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