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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 9:21:58 PM   
hizgeorgiapeach


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I don't own guns because the government does a poor job of protecting me.  I own guns to protect myself From The Government.  I own guns because I Enjoy shooting.  I own guns because I Enjoy hunting, and truely Truely lovvvvve the taste of game meats.  I own guns because I Can, and I firmly believe that we would be in a much worse position as a country if our government did Not have to worry about all the crazy gun owning citizens that they'll have to eventually face when they finally screw up to the point where the masses overcome their apathy and lethargy.  The fact that there are guns in my home, that I've taken more than one safety & useage course, that I hold a concealed carry permit (for which I had to pass a rather strenuous background check) that I routinely get target practice.... those simply make it a bit more Obvious that I can protect myself, rather than having to rely upon unreliable overworked police units who wouldn't arrive until to late any way.
 
Eventually, the goverment in this country will turn many of us into criminals - simply because they'll finally make independant ownership of weapons illegal, and many of us will flip them the bird and tell them to go fuck themselves. 

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 9:22:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HunterS

You appear to be saying that ignorant people deserve less than educated people.



Hunter? You seem to disagree with this point. Prehaps we should pay High school dropouts the same as we pay doctors? Course then what's the point in getting an education?



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If you are an U.S. citizen you are liable for taxes on your income no mater which country it is from.


This is only true when you speak of individuals. Corporations can easily change their registry to a more tax friendly country and then have no requirements to pay US Taxes.


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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 9:22:59 PM   
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I did not support any bailouts of businesses that failed.  Thats the capitalist way...you can succeed, or you can fail.  What makes those bailouts NOT socialism is the fact that this money is not just a handout that doesn't get paid back.  This money will have to be paid back, and with interest. 


Perhaps you should read the bill in its entirety before you make such jejune statements.
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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 9:25:30 PM   
HunterS


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isn't Jim Brady the one that took a bullet in the head when Reagan was shot?

Yep...dats the guy.  One minute a hard corps gunslinger the next minute a whiney lil bitch calling for the confiscation of all those nasty ol guns.
 
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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 9:27:01 PM   
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As effective as your local police might be, nothing will stop an armed intruder quicker than a shot to the head.  If I was unarmed and heard someone breaking in, I would have to get to the phone, dial 911, wait for the dispatcher to answer, go through the whole speel of name, address, and problem, then, in my county, wait an average of 20 minutes for the police to respond.  By that time, my family or myself could be dead, and the bad guys already gone with whatever they came for.  In a perfect world, gunswould not be needed.  We do not, and will not ever, live in that world. 


So this implies that you keep a loaded firearm within easy reach.

You say you have a family, which I assume includes children.  So in order to protect your children you undoubtedly keep the gun unloaded and stored in a locked container in a location they cannot easily access.

So you are saying that you can get to your gun, unlock it, and load it in time to confront someone who breaks into your home?

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 9:34:16 PM   
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isn't Jim Brady the one that took a bullet in the head when Reagan was shot?

Yep...dats the guy.  One minute a hard corps gunslinger the next minute a whiney lil bitch calling for the confiscation of all those nasty ol guns.
 
H.


I know this isnt written in the communist manifesto so I will clue you in.
Jim Bardy is not against guns, he is actually pro gun. His crazy psycho wife is the one who started the Brady center and all of its anti gun BS. He he wasn't a vegetable he would probably divorce her and disown her.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 9:34:48 PM   
HunterS


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Taxing the rich because they are rich, is like using Africans as salves on plantations because they could do the work of 3 white slaves. They are rich they don't need more money, they are black they dont need to be treated like human beings.
This is called a faulty analogy:
You tax the rich not because they do not need more money but because they are the ones who gain the most benifit from living in this country.
Where did you come to the jejune notion that black slaves outproduced white slaves?


US citizens liable for taxes?  A Corporate entity is not a US citizen.
Perhaps you might wish to reread the U.S. tax code.


Go back to reading the Communist Manifesto, this is a discussion about the right to bear arms.
You are the one who brought up the Communinst Manifesto.  I realize that you are not a native born American citizen but you really should read up on our rules and regulations before you post... it is just common courtesy.
 
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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 9:44:09 PM   
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I know this isnt written in the communist manifesto so I will clue you in. 
He he wasn't a vegetable he would probably divorce her and disown her


Jim Brady got his Phd. in 1993...twelve years after getting shot....not bad for a vegetable.
If you were to do a little research before you post unsubstantiated opinion you would spend less time prying your feet out of your mouth.

H.

 



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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 9:46:14 PM   
hizgeorgiapeach


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Fortunately for some of us, the question of protecting our family from themselves isn't a question.
 
I live alone.  There are no smalls in my home, even to visit, except for the very rare occurrance of a friend (almost like a brother to me) who brings by his 11 month old every now and then, since shes' my goddaughter.  I keep a loaded handgun within easy access of myself, but out of easy sight to the casual observer.  I keep the hunting rifles and the rest of the handguns and ammo in a locked, fireproof gun safe.  I also keep the crossbow, a couple of knives, and the sword within easy reach as well.  Let's face it - there's not a whole lot scarier than seeing a wild eyed, pissed off woman coming at you with a Sharp sword that's almost as long as she is tall - if seeing me coming at them with a raised sword screaming celtic war cries at the top of my lungs doesn't make them shit their pants and run like hell, the fact that I've got a loaded gun stuck in the waist of my jeans at the same time as "backup" probably will.
 
Be that as it may.... I was raised around guns, both rifles and handguns.  I was taught gun safety from the time I was seven, at about the same point when I started being taught how to be responcible and safe with a knife in the kitchen.  One of my general rules when I have roommates is that everyone who lives in my home learns weapons safety and responciblity.  No exceptions.  Adult roommates are expected to learn it if they don't already know it, and if they have smalls that will be around more than a few minutes at a time are expected to teach them as well.  How to properly load, unload, disassemble and clean, reassemble, aim, fire.  All of it.  I won't have someone living in my home that doesn't possess basic safety knowledge - and if they refuse to learn that basic knowledge, they can live elsewhere.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 9:47:52 PM   
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I am more familiar with corporate tax laws. Registered corporations and U.S. citizens are taxed in absolutely different way.
You read the F#$&ing tax code been there done that. Corporations don't pay the same way US citizens do no matter how man times you tell me to read the U.S. Tax code.

Jejune? Oh cool you used a dictionary word! I opened a history books and I read about it, backs outproduced native American and white slaves that dropped like flies especially in the tropical climates.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 9:52:54 PM   
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>Gosh, lets see....nothing in there about socialism either.  Nothing in there about income taxes either, so do you really want to go down this road? 

>Of course not if they break the law...the law is the law, period, no matter your color, sex, or income group.

>Did I use the word ignorant?  I know that not everyone can learn to prgram a computer or become a lawyer, but even if you cannot learn to weld, you can always consider that maybe working more than 40 hours a week might be something you could do.  I worked 6 days a week, 60 hours average for YEARS and it did not hurt me.  I did what I had to do, and never once expected the IRS to take money from the wealthy and give me some.

>No, I believe your posts confirm a weak mindedness based on your response to my post.

>I don't get refund checks, and will be one who will most likely suffer under his regime.

>Bear Stearns, BOA, Lehman, etc., all took risks beyond what is considered good business practices because they felt that the government was encouraging these crazy mortgage backed security shams.  Wall Street works when their greed is balanced by fear of loosing money.  The Gov't took away much of the fear from the equation, and greed ran rampant, and as with any bubble, it burst. As far as Exxon, as bad as the numbers sound, their profit percentages are in line with other US businesses, and remember, as stated in a previous post...they employ over 80,000 people.

>Should the rich not be taxed??  thats a dumb question.  The rich should pay their fair share in taxes.  Cap. gains are currently 15% and Obama espoused in the primaries that it should be 29%.  the lower income tax rates are below that, and really, it wouldnt matter anyway.  They get all their money back to start with, and under Obama, will get a nice fat Gov't check to boot.

>Let's see.....given that the GOP took power in the 1994 election, much of that credit would go to them, with the Pres. sharing it.  Remember, we were undergoing the Dot com revolution where anything with a dot com to it soared and tons of people were hired.  This bubble, like all bubbles, crashed hard in 2000, as Bush took office.  With that, jobs were lost and tax revenues fell sharply.  One year later, we have 9-11, and the huge hit to the economy and the military buildups and recovery efforts.  We then started feeling the effects of tremendously higher energy costs which really hurt the economy and was directly felt by the average citizen.  Now we have the housing bubble burst, yet again, another bubble, and the Wall Street collapse from the mortgage backed security mess.  I don't like the debt, or deficit spending.  I don't live in debt, or run my life in a deficit, and don't expect my government to do it either.  Truthfully, with all that we have had happen in the last 8 years, I am surprised that the debt and deficit are not worse than they are.

>There are trillions in numbered off shore accounts now that are not working here in this country, and not being taxed here in this country.  Under Obama, i expect this number to grow tremendously.

>The "deadbeat asswipes" are the ones who provide jobs.  You just have to love Democrats...they love jobs but hate the people who provide them.

>Sky will fall....more brilliance.....no, the sky won't fall, but people will feel more pain from it.

>Exxon could fail and be absorbed by another....in which case, the new company would hopefully retain most of the 80,000 people....either way....a corporation is paying alot of people to work for them....I guess you would rather the Gov't nationalize Exxon and they could become Federal employees??

>I stand by my Great Depression comment.

>Well, let's see, a 3 digit IQ means I am at least 100...well, I guess the "real" genius here must have meant a 2 digit IQ, and therefore implying that I am dumb.

>I am saying that he keeps lowering the range at which you are classified as "middle class" to him.  In the end, I believe, that it will wind up being anyone under $50,000 that gets the tax "cut".  Bill Clinton rode into office in 92 under the promise of middle class tax cuts, and 28 days into office broke that promise and raised their taxes.  We do have precedent for Democratic promise breaking with regard to tax cuts for the middle class.

>And here I thought I covered the Bailout package in a previous post?  That money is to be paid back, and is therefore NOT welfare.  Any contractor in Iraq is paid money for a service...thats NOT welfare.  If you are taking money from the Gov't teat, and you do not have to repay it....it IS welfare.  I don't give a damn if you don't have a cell phone, color tv, cigarettes, or booze.  If you are sucking the government teat, life is NOT supposed to be rosy, else you might just decide to live your entire life suckling that teat, instead of bettering yourself so that you might buy the phone, tv, cigarettes, and booze with your own damn money, and not mine!

> This is the last post in reply to anything related to taxes, spending, or replying to idiots in general.  This was a forum for Gun rights, and I regret that I got into this whole area here.  To the ones here for Gun rights only, I apologize to you. 

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 9:52:54 PM   
Moloch


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I know this isnt written in the communist manifesto so I will clue you in. 
He he wasn't a vegetable he would probably divorce her and disown her


Jim Brady got his Phd. in 1993...twelve years after getting shot....not bad for a vegetable.
If you were to do a little research before you post unsubstantiated opinion you would spend less time prying your feet out of your mouth.

H.

 




Wheel chair = vegetable in my dictionary

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 9:54:04 PM   
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Biden is a gun owner and apparently a skeet shooter. He's very emphatically not in favor of banning all firearms. Obama is not a registered gun owner but has made clear that he supports firearm access. Both favor gun control but not complete banning.


Gun control but not complete banning. Only "partial" "banning?"
Of course Obama wants to come for your guns!
That's how guys like Abbadabba always start out.
Hey, if Obama were to be elected I could make a fortune selling customised t-shirts!
"I'm an Obama Ball Licker!"

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 9:58:26 PM   
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I grew up in a home where my dad kept a loaded 12 gauge shotgun behind his bedroom door.  My brother and I never touched it, because my dad always told us, never touch it without him there, and anytime we wanted to shoot it, just ask, and he would take us out and let us shoot it.  If you are a lax parent and just leave it around without being involved in your kids' lives, then I can't help you there.  For me, by my dad's example, I have no problems with guns.
My guns are loaded and NOT locked away.  I have them hidden, but easily accessible.  A locked gun, or an unloaded gun, is about as useless as a toy gun.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 10:06:17 PM   
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As effective as your local police might be, nothing will stop an armed intruder quicker than a shot to the head.  If I was unarmed and heard someone breaking in, I would have to get to the phone, dial 911, wait for the dispatcher to answer, go through the whole speel of name, address, and problem, then, in my county, wait an average of 20 minutes for the police to respond.  By that time, my family or myself could be dead, and the bad guys already gone with whatever they came for.  In a perfect world, gunswould not be needed.  We do not, and will not ever, live in that world. 


So this implies that you keep a loaded firearm within easy reach.

You say you have a family, which I assume includes children.  So in order to protect your children you undoubtedly keep the gun unloaded and stored in a locked container in a location they cannot easily access.

So you are saying that you can get to your gun, unlock it, and load it in time to confront someone who breaks into your home?


Rule, I keep 4 loaded guns in various places in the condo here with me.
No kids and no visiting kids.
We have the "Castle Doctrine" in South Carolina so the homeowner can shoot if anyone enters the home uninvited.
As for "20 minutes" that's how long I'd let the burgler
(s) bleed out after I shot them before calling the cops.
You can also carry a loaded gun in your vehicle in this state in the glove box or console compartment, no "lisense" needed.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 10:11:11 PM   
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I lived for a short while in Florence SC.  I loved the state and enjoyed my time there.  I have a carry permit in Virginia, and we are part of 20 or so states that have reciprocity agreements with each other where we all accept each others citizen's permits.  I need to look at that list again, but I am pretty sure SC is on it. 

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 10:15:59 PM   
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And for the record, I have three loaded handguns, a loaded shotgun, and a loaded assault rifle in various locations around the house.  Whether I am lying in bed, or sitting on the "throne", I am not liable to become somebody's victim.  I too am one that feels if you come into my home for any criminal reason, I will only dial 911 when I see you draw your last breath.  I have no qualms about it, and will not loose sleep a single night over it.  You had the choice whether or not to come after me.  In doing so, you give me no choice when I take your life. 

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 10:20:53 PM   
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Surely the most unfortunate thing is that people feel the need to own a gun for protection.  Does this not indicate a basic lack of faith in the ability of the national and local police authorities to protect the people ?  Surely this need for gun owning is a sympton of a much more deep seated problem, rather than the problem itself.  There are many civilised countries in the world where people simply do not feel a need to own a gun in order to be safe.  Perhaps, as a nation, the USA still has something to learn about the role of government as an effective protector of the people ?


Supreme Court already ruled that cops don't have to protect me.
In matters when seconds can decided life and death the cops are minutes away.
Im not going to stick my head in the sand and pretend that there are not bad or evil people out there.



Some years back the paper here in Atlanta said the average police response time is about 5 minutes. Even if the intruder has a revolver  and extra bullets that is a long time to be shot at with no gun to shoot back with.

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 10:24:05 PM   
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I would go to your individual State Police website to find a list for your individual state. 

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RE: This election and the 2nd Amendment. - 10/30/2008 10:30:59 PM   
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ante
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As far as minimum wage, the whole point to that is, if you do not find your job and pay acceptable, you can get a second job, get a better job, or get some education or training to get a better job.
You appear to be saying that ignorant people deserve less than educated people.



Who said anybody deserves anything? You get what your boss pays you. If you don't like the pay work somewhere else. I worked at a company years ago and the boss din't want to give me a raise. Even though i was really doing the job of two. I left to go to a company paying more. He ended up hiring two people to replace me. A company that has problems keeping people because the don't pay shit will either pay more or go out of business.

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