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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/9/2009 1:42:55 PM

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FUCKINGGGG LOVEEEE IT!

Hahah thats the only way i can explain my love for it.

It's what got me into BDSM the thought of being forced to do something i didnt wana do. I rmemeber thinking i was just a fucked up freak until i found there were hundreds of people who loved it aswell. But yeah one of my fav things to do with a guy! Suprisingly quite a few guys don't enjoy it because it's a hard mindset to get into

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/9/2009 2:32:43 PM

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Kellyx said : "Suprisingly quite a few guys dont enjoy it because its a hard mindset to get into"

I've heard that from many women, in fact the majority of women I've done rapeplay with have told me that..........

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/9/2009 3:38:04 PM

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I realize this is a long chain, but I just needed to concur that there needs to be another word to define an enjoyable sex act involving rough sex and power exchange. That's not rape. Rape is not consensual. Rape is illegal for excellent reasons. True rapists don't care about anyone's pleasure but their own (and even that is doubtful). They are uncaged, rabid monsters who attack without mercy or pity and are highly likely to leave their victims - not partners - dead.

I first heard of this kink back in college, when a guy I knew planned to do this to his girlfriend. I wonder, to this day, if she really wanted it (as he claimed) or if it was a rape that I could've somehow prevented.

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/10/2009 11:00:52 PM

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Personally (and I haven't read the whole thread, so if I repeat anything, sorry), I think that force play is incredibly freakin hot. It's what drew me to D/s in the first place; I remember being nine, reading Nancy Drew books just for the chapters where she got kidnapped. In junior high, I had a crush on the class bully, and when he cornered me in dark hallways to scare me and pushed me up against lockers to intimidate me, I was thrilled. My high school sweetheart and I played tons of games where I "tried to get away" and he wrestled me to the ground and then did what he wanted with me.

I only give the basic backstory to say that, despite the fact that I was raped my freshman year of college, my sexual fantasies didn't stem from that. I feel like a lot of the time, people blame rape fantasies on the psychosis of women who have actually been raped. Yes, being attacked effected me, but it certainly didn't give me rape fantasies. It actually dimmed my sexual desire completely for awhile, and when I finally got back some of the fire behind force fantasies, it took a little outright feminism to make me realize that my desires are healthy, because they are my desires. And I have an obligation to myself to seek out pleasure, as long as I'm being safe.

And what could be safer than a cool-headed Dom who wants to indulge my desire to be thoroughly, physically overpowered and used? :)

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/11/2009 7:32:50 AM

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They are uncaged, rabid monsters who attack without mercy or pity and are highly likely to leave their victims - not partners - dead.

Reality check. The percentage of rape victims killed by their attackers in North America (According to the DOJ): 4%. That is hardly "highly likely". I appreciate that you'd like to advance your point of view. Bullshitting isn't the way to do it. I don't mean to pick on you personally, but this is a subject where "what everyone knows to be true" is so loaded with distortion and hyperbole that actual knowledge is pretty tough to come by.

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/11/2009 7:43:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: Leonidas

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ORIGINAL: LaughingFemDom

They are uncaged, rabid monsters who attack without mercy or pity and are highly likely to leave their victims - not partners - dead.

Reality check. The percentage of rape victims killed by their attackers in North America (According to the DOJ): 4%. That is hardly "highly likely". I appreciate that you'd like to advance your point of view. Bullshitting isn't the way to do it. I don't mean to pick on you personally, but this is a subject where "what everyone knows to be true" is so loaded with distortion and hyperbole that actual knowledge is pretty tough to come by.

I bet the percentage of rape victims who wish they were killed by these monsters is nearly huge.

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/11/2009 7:52:44 AM

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I bet the percentage of rape victims who wish they were killed by these monsters is nearly huge.

I don't know if anyone has done a study on what percentage of rape victims wish they had been killed by their attackers. It might be significant. I'd be surprised if it was "huge". Why would you make that bet? At any rate, that isn't what she said. Perpetuating hyperbole and myths about something isn't helpful to an understanding of it. About all it might do is shape opinion in the way that you'd like it shaped, but only if your audience is gullible enough to just buy it without any fact checking.

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/11/2009 8:09:20 AM

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Dude. You are providing no data -- again -- and sitting back and sniping at others. Passive aggressive, and unimpressive. If you want to sound like a scientist, engage in the scientific method and take a position that has backing outside of your personal opinion. All of your posts on this thread have been that of a troll, tearing down positions of others, while advancing no position of your own.

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/11/2009 8:17:00 AM

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Dude. You are providing no data -- again -- and sitting back and sniping at others. Passive aggressive, and unimpressive. If you want to sound like a scientist, engage in the scientific method and take a position that has backing outside of your personal opinion. All of your posts on this thread have been that of a troll, tearing down positions of others, while advancing no position of your own.

Actually, I provided the abstract number of the DOJ report that I'm citing earlier in the thread if you'd like to go have a look at it, and I'm pretty sure I did post my own thoughts on this subject. If your definition of "trolling" is challenging misconceptions about something, hey, guilty!

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/11/2009 8:52:11 AM

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Rape play can be incredibly Hot when it is done as a mutually desired Role scenario... there's some basic "scripting"- and a whole lot of understanding between the Partners- but not enough to remove the unknown edge for the "victim"... and, yes, Safe Words prevail... my prior sub was sooo progressive that she would dress herself in slutty disposable Goodwill clothes to be torn or cut off in the role (BIG hint!- make sure to pack replacements LOL!)... and, yes, as has come up in the thread, the Dom rapist does have to overcome the "caring" feeling for the Role...

unfortunately there are women subs where this- or abuse- has been a reality in the past... so this is a definite area that while it can be quite Hot and exciting must only be opened with the full mutual understanding between the two if that is the case... and in the case of the prior sub I cited, she had in fact been abused as a teen... and the rape role play with "after treatment" and care actually provided her with a therapeutic resolution to some of the long standing issues she was experiencing...

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/11/2009 8:56:37 AM

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Greetings

A discussion about rape play always get allow of people's panties in a bunch. So let me put emphasis on play here, play, play, play, rape play, not actual rape. This is a common fetish, one that I share. I have often fantasied about some dark and handsome man, jumping out of the shadows to have his way with me, or sleeping in a tent and in comes some man that do his deed and leaves with me powerless to stop him, sure those are hot fantasies. That do not however mean that I or others that have these fantasies would appreciate a real rape. There is a big difference between a fantasy and something you want done to you in real life. There is also a very big difference between setting up a play rape scene, where you play a fantasy out in a safe environment and the real thing. Enjoying rape play do not mean that one would enjoy rape, and it is not meant as an insult towards people who have been raped.

In a way, rape is a very primal thing when done for lust and not for any other reason. Mind you I am not saying that rape is positive. I am saying that it is something primal that might resonate in the mind of many people. The idea of a man physically strong enough and demanding enough to toss me on my back and take what he want that really bring to mind the idea of primitive man where strength was what was looked for to ensure a strong offspring. The idea of a man conquering and spearing a woman is rather primal ideas it is not a strange that it is a fantasy for many. However that fantasy do not mean that one want it to be real.

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/11/2009 5:17:53 PM

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Agreeing nephandi completely, I also believe that it is pointless to discuss or try to prove whether rape fantasy is common or uncommon in females/males. Or the percentage of the victims that were killed. It doesn't change the fact the real rapists are monsters. Also do I need to add that it really ashames me when I see a man with this fantasy gets rude or out of control or defends the real rape?

Well, I dislike posting to forums without contributing to the topic; I'd like to share what I fantasize and the probable psychological reasons behind it.

I'm a young adult man (well, 21 years old, to be exact) who's living a relatively good life in peace. Whenever I feel myself depressed and lonely (and horny, to confess) I fantasize about this: Being a teen and raping an adult woman who wasn't perceiving me as a real man before I attack her. I fantasize neither being older than a teen, nor the victim to be much younger than 30's. Like a highschool teacher. And I want to do this in the own house of the imaginary victim.

To gain control on the opposite sex? Yes, I don't have these fantasies when I am in a relationship with a girl that I'd like. Let it be not a sexual relationship, but even a small gift from a friend who's girl can make me feel better, even if it's temporarily. I'm curving for roleplaying my that scene today, after having a big disappointment. I was living the happiness of being accepted as master and liked by a dreamy sub woman, but she turned out to be a scammer.

But why I don't want to be at my age or older and rape any female must be because of having not been perceived as a male by the opposite sex during my childhood/teenhood. I had a vocal cord problem that makes me sound thinner than girls, which made me go through countless unpleasent situations. The worst part was not being humilated by others, but thinking I am not perceived as a real boy, like the others. Especially during highscool, I was sensing our pretty female teachers were timid to boys, but not to me. Reasoning, I believe it was because I was kinder and more silent than them, but it made me feel like they see me as a boy who isn't capable of doing something like this. But let me add this; I doubt it is a common psychological reason behind the other men who wants to rape. It doesn't bring an explanation on why I don't want to rape girls, either.

And this is going to be a cliche, but I was sexually harassed several times in the primary schools by some girls and boys (putting their hands to where I'd sit, to 'inspect' my genitals), but I don't exactly know what was its effect on my that scene. I just hate people who smells like rotten cheeses, swarties and with big Afro style hairs.

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/15/2009 8:06:48 PM

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But the thought of raping someone for real, it's just one of the most unimaginably wrong things I can think of, right up with beating someone up for the cash in their wallet. It's just so... inconsiderate.

"Inconsiderate"???
I've heard some understatement in my day, but this takes the fucking biscuit.
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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/16/2009 3:24:09 AM

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I find it repulsive and insulting that the poster used the phrase "most men"......most men wouldn't think of rape as a "success strategy"....we build prisons for those that do.

I believe you missed the point.

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/16/2009 3:28:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

What I think is that you have worked very hard to justify some seriously flawed views...but hey,thats just my opinion.

or you're not working hard enough to come to a correct view. women are one of the original spoils of war. I would go so far as to say that rape is a much more 'natural' courting ritual than, say, dating.
4/5 anthropologists and evolutionary psychologists agree (not that I care what they think).

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Let me add another example to your degeration of societal rules scenarios ....Prison .Rape is rampant in prison....so lets play this game on your level and ask you.....would you rape in prison(keep in mind it is a male prison...therefor your propagation of the species imperative is out the window)?

I would suggest you stop trying to utilize logic, it does not suit you.

rape in an all male prison does not mean that rape is not rooted in propagation.

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/16/2009 3:30:58 AM

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Fuck debate etiquette

it's not etiquette at which you fail, it's rational discourse.

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/16/2009 3:33:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

What this doesn't explain is this: generally speaking human beings create societies where rape is unlawful.

to ensure men don't usurp their lineage so that their property may be transferred down to their legitimate children.

and let's keep in mind, for most of our 'civilized' history (10,000 years or so) more than a few cultures treated women as property and the rape of a wife or daughter was an assault against a man's property.

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Surely you're not going to argue that our century's old institutions and laws are a human malfunction that mask the 'real' human condition?

malfunction is not the word I'd use.

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/16/2009 3:35:28 AM

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the psychology of rape is control and power, not sex.

...right.

that's like saying the psychology of theft is control and power, not material gain.

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/16/2009 3:46:19 AM

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You are absolutely correct, Ms. Holly. Among other things, rapists often do not ejaculate, even though they are physically able to do so. I can see how the phrase "rape is not a sex crime" would seem ludicrous from a layperson's perspective, but the psychological issue is one of motivation. A foot fetishist who steals shoes (as happened in a dorm here a year ago) is committing a sex crime, as his motivation was primarily sexual. By contrast, it appears that most rapists are driven by a need to control, punish, conquer women -- not to have sex with them. The sex is just the tool used to subjugate.

you may want to juxtapose rape cases before and after certain tactics were developed by the police. there may be other motivations for not ejaculating when they are perfectly able to other than the fact that their actions are motivated by a drive to control, punish, or conquer women.

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RE: Thoughts on Rape Play? - 7/16/2009 3:48:20 AM

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Here's one link. I won't debate the topic; it could go on forever. As long as you believe in acting consensual to the women you're with, I'm cool.

http://living.oneindia.in/men/he/why-men-rape-psychology.html

"84% of rapes will go unreported."

then how do we know about them?

"Two present day sociobiologist's claim in their book that unsuccessful men use rape to gain sexual access to desirable mates. By making women pregnant, they proclaim to pass their genes on to the next generation. The above sentence may seem absurd as there are many inadequacies in this argument. For instance, if the primary concern of a rapist is to just procreate, then why do rapists attack the helpless elderly, menopausal women and innocent children? And has anybody thought about the number of murders made by the rapists as the dead bodies will never give birth. So one can conclude that these argument is baseless on many cases."

or it could be that rape and violence are closely tied together for some individuals (and I'm speaking on the level of brain physiology). you may want to look into the behaviors of birds and mating. there are quite a few species that will attack a female who is willing to mate as the male confuses his sexual arousal for aggression (as the parts of the brain that are stimulated in both sexual arousal and violence are closely linked). this can happen multiple times in the course of the mating ritual until finally the male gets it right.

This may go a ways to explain why some men feel like violence adds to their sexual enjoyment. and on the other side of the coin, it also may explain why some men readily jump from a violent act (robbing an elderly woman) to a sexual one.

"Research states that some men do not ejaculate during rape. This proves that whatever is driving this section of men to rape is more than the sexual drive."

...lol. I love when sociologists and psychologists think their research has the epistemological grounding to prove anything.

but yeah, this article is a whole lot of drivel.

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