Termyn8or
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I love animals so much I won't keep them. I am not so fond of certasin kinds like rodents and such, but all they're trying to do is live.
We have a problem with mice, especially in the winter. They usually don't stay long because ALL food is secured and they have nothing to eat, even harder in this house is finding water. One time, many years ago I walk into the bathroom and there is a mouse in my bathtub. The shower curtain was on the outside and that is most likely how it got into the bathtub, most likely looking for food or water. It could not get out of the tub to save it's life, it was constantly trying to crawl up the side but just couldn't do it. I thought they could jump, but maybe this one couldn't.
I finally got this one's attention and pointed right at it as it looked at me and I said "Get out of my house". I said it several times and let the mouse have a bit of tub time to think about it. Later I repeated what I said and threw the shower curtain into the tub. Within a few minutes the mouse was at a window trying to jump out of a second story flat. I obliged the creature by opening the window. It must have told it's mouse buddies because I did not see a mouse for about two years after.
Later they came back, apparently staying out of my house was not instinct. Set glue traps, the most inhumane things to use, and caught one. This one did not stick it's nose in, nor was it the only mouse in the house. Well I let it starve there in the glue, after a couple of days there were no mice here. It apparently communicated somehow "Get the hell outta here". So another couple of years go by no mice.
Another thing that pisses me off is people who get dogs and can't train them correctly. My buddy has this beautiful German sheperd with spirit. He has no fucking clue how to train her. He screws it up every time I see it. I tried again and again to explain to him that he is confusing her, that she really does want to please him but does not understand. It's all a game with him and he has dropped a few notches in my eyes.
He is actually good with animals, he can walk up and pet a junkyard dog, he can sit quiet and have the deer come within a few feet of him down at Calgary park, but that is not the same thing. I tried to tell him, USE ONE WORD at a time. They are not very good at English. What's more this dog has spirit, alot of it. I told him not to use the leash to control her, if he wants to grab her, grab her by the skin, she may yelp but it really doesn't hurt her, she just doesn't like it. But doing that asserts control that is not based on the leash. Unlike a cat, the owner of a dog must be the boss, and that needs to be understood.
He lacks the strength of will to do it correctly. I was heavily involved with the training of a really outstanding dog, a sheperd/wolf mix. He was incredibly intelligent, and had a lot of will. It took strong people to assert control, but after that got done this dog, named Tech, had experiences other dogs will never have. He knew how to open doors and would get out and sow his wild oats so to speak. He knew his left from his right. He knew the English names for just about every part of his body. He NEVER had a leash and got taken to rock concerts. Tech loved frisbees and the owner would just let him roam around the concert, confident he would come back, and he always did, usually with a different frisbee.
When Tech was not under threat he was the gentlest thing you could imagine, he would not be the aggressor unless he sensed something was wrong. In other words, with this dog, the owner was not even afraid of having him stolen because he knew nobody would be able to keep him unless he wanted to be there.
Now that's a dog, not that he knew he was a dog, I swear that Tech thought he was human. This buddy of mine's dog shows similar potential, and it is a shame that he can't train her properly. She is seven months right now, and if I ever had a mind to make an exception, I would take her. But I won't.
Her name is Jazz because especially as a pup she whined almost musically, the name fits. She still does it from time to time, and Tech did as well. We taught Tech to say a few words. Mama was the first, but he picked up a few more before he died.
In my opinion, if you are going to have a pet it's almost like having a kid, you are not just responsible for their physical well being, you are responsible for their development. If a five year old dog needs a leash, it has not been taught right, and that is the bottom line. Leash laws notwithstanding, like any other law as far as I am concerned, you might need a leash at certain places, but if you can't control the dog without a leash you have failed.
As far as hunting, even hunting a species to extinction I really couldn't care less. That is a byproduct of our own foolishness in over-reproducing, and we will kill the system of which we are borne. That is the way it is and I care not when it happens. To me PETA is a bunch of idiots, don't they see the starving and impoverished humans in the world ? Kids in environments that I would not subject a mosquito to, living in absolutley horrid conditions that can boggle the mind. And no supervision nor direction imparted. They grow up to be sheeple. I think that is something that is more in need of addressing than the well being of beasts.
The exception of course is cats. We all know you don't train them, they train you. I still won't have one. I will not have a pet ever, unless she is a redhead, not too fat and kinky. Well I can let her slide on the hair color if need be.
Whales and all that, it is people who are stupid. If you hunt whales there has to be a limit, the herd needs to grow. They need time to reproduce. If people are too stupid to realize that, I guess I will have to take a box of rocks over to the MENSA society and put it in for membership. It's like a farmer slaughtering a bull, their only bull and then wondering why there are no more cows a few years later. In other words, don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg. We need meat to survive, and that is a fact today.
It is not much different than spending the car payment on crack, and then whining when the car is repossesed and you can't get to work the next day, but this is much bigger. Gold, silver, money, all of it means nothing if we screw up the planet too badly for it to recover.
Man's inhumanity is not limited to Man.
HA, I remember something. A long time ago a company would send you, for a price of course, a matable pair of minks. Some TV show or something had a scene about it and the person said "Yup, just wait until these buggers start to shed", having no idea that to make any money he was going to have to skin them.
Many people consider the harvesting of animals to be disgusting, and it is. If you actually knew what was in a hot dog you would never eat one. I know someone educated, who went to work for one of the major meat processing plants in the US, this was his first job and he had a contract. He couldn't wait to get out of there, as soon as the contract expired he moved on.
It is a nasty business, but it is necessary if you want to live. It's pretty much the same thing as the animal world, if a lion eats a llama alive, does the lion feel regret ? No. To survive we must be the same way. Morality is one thing. Survival is another. Where do we draw the line ? Wherever we feel like.
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