meatcleaver
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ORIGINAL: corysub
I also find it amazing the europeans are soo happy about the election of a "black President" in the United States, which I think is bullshit. Europeans have victimized people of race for centuries, (the first slaves came to an America under English rule),
Get a life. America could have freed the slaves when it won independence. It didn't because the founding fathers, despite their angelic words about freedom, were slave owners and they didn't even think that 90% of ordinary white colonists were fit enough to vote. Black slaves who could find their way to England would be free because slavery was illegal in England. Slavery was a product of the emerging capitalist free market, that the founding fathers believed in. I'm not saying England was governed by saints but slavery was never a government policy in England like it was in the USA.
In fact corysub, slavery still exists. International corporations that are household names employ slaves by proxy and we all enjoy the cheap priced products it brings us. It is criminal and that is how the slave trade worked, capitalists claimed it as free enterprise. Both the US and Europe turn a blind eye to it or only make nominal gestures to do anything about it. We are as bad as each other.
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ORIGINAL: corysub
and the prejudice against peoples because of their race, ethnic group or creed has littered the landscape with dead bodies fro Dachau to Bosnia, to Belfast, to Germany and to every country on the continent until today. Don't preach to America about our morality or lack thereof Europeans. Someone made a comment here that American foreign policy has been terrible for the past 60 years...That would include feeding Berlin, standing tall with our "allies" against the Russian horde, to keeping South Korea Free,to forcing the Iron Curtain down and freeing the Eastern Bloc, to freeing tens of millions of Iraqi's until this morning. What have the British, the French, the Germans, the Italians, to Spanish, the Greeks..or any one else done,..what could they have done withhout America and it love of freedom everywhere.??
You fed Berlin because the Russians wanted Berlin. It was part of the cold war chess game. The fact that west Berliners benefited was incidental.
You haven't freed one Iraqi, you didn't go there to free Iraqis you went there to impose a regime change. Exactly the same fucking type of action you accuse Europeans of doing and you are right but you are no better, you are the same. The difference in the last 60 years is that we all live in democracies and we should all hold our governments to account when they invade other countries and claim to be fighting for freedom when they clearly aren't and pursued their 'freedom' poliicies through lies.
Western belief in freedom, whether it is the American or European variety is just vacuous rhetoric. The west believes in capitalism, which is not freedom and the citizens of both don't care to examine that fact too closely because they like the material wellbeing of turning a blind eye to the reality brings.
< Message edited by meatcleaver -- 11/7/2008 4:46:37 AM >
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