IronBear
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Joined: 6/19/2005 From: Beenleigh, Qld, Australia Status: offline
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ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian My only issue with the Gorean subculture is how it has become a sort of assigned official badge for anyone who rigidly believes in the natural right of male dominance and female submission. I believe it is inappropriate to label an authentic, Male-led relationship based in reality as "Gorean", unless the practitioners involved overtly claim to be. When building a profile, one need only glance at the available lifestyles interests list on this website to see an example of this confusion, where "Female Supremacy" is listed but "Male Supremacy" is not; instead we have "Gorean Lifestyle" as its insinuated corollary. This is an example of either willful or unwillful ignorance—or a subtle bias, in the very least. It is interseting old chap tht when I was posting to the Gorean Forum and of course belonging to the Gorean Lifestyle, hoiw many strong minded individuals, Masters, who whilst having so much in common woith us and who were most valued posters and contributors, proudly maintained their own distance and individuality by not identifying as Gorean. To me this was a most excelent happening and just showed that most Gorean Lifestylers are not so blinkered or bloody minded as some think to believe the Gor is the only way. Often I have founf that the points of separation are more semantics and minor differences. In my part as I was being drawn at least socially back to the fould of a bygone era of graciousness, lavish entertaining, good manners, ridgid ettequate ( I love ladies communicating by just using fans) and the dress styles of that regal period, tht I realised that there were for me minor differences in the way I looked at some things (I could no longer view my slave as just a beast. Property and valued, even loved property but not a beast to be disguarded if necessary for example. I would no see my wife/Free Companion in such a secondary light as I would in Gor but as my right hand and partner with me remaining the senior partner of course) and thus it became a matter of honour for me to leave Gor and enter into the building of my current Victorian Lifestyle which allows me still the rigidity and disclipline of Gor and retainng, even enhancing those values which have always as far as I can remember been instilled in me (Honour, Integrety, Loyalty and Duty etc) as a child. I simply find a sence of ammusement that some of my peers comment that I am still more Gorean in outlook than those who chose to shun me for my choice but who also set themselves up as "Gods of Gor"... quote:
ts no different with Gor vs BDSM vs Old Guard vs Victorians. The biggest difference between each is culture... customs and mannerisms... jargon and lingo... ways of doing the same basic things. Some will defend those differences with great energy, and in such cases I would suspect that upon examination you would find that those individuals have connected who they see themselves as with that particular subculture... the stronger that connection, the more stridently they'll defend it. None of this is uncommon or unusual... we humans are social creatures, we naturally tend to identify with groups, and identify others by groups. Personally, I find it a far more interesting question to examine why someone is drawn to identify themselves with BDSM, Goreans, Victorians, Old Guard, etc. _____________________________ Padriag Perhaps my friend, the answer you seek is twofold. - Firstly, I posit that when se locate something which we can identify with on multable levels we should identify either with it or find a lable which defines our relationship with it. It is a natural thing we humans do in wanting and at times needing or being driven to belong to some group or another.
- Secondly I cite as an explanation for some, that if we, from either our history or study have experienced something which has made such an impression that it has left a profound mark on us, or excited us to the degree that we want to replicate it in some way, we may well desire to identify with that group, society or activity. certainluy is by doing so, we have a set of guidelines on how and what to do with the possible addition of well established protocols. All hopefully enrich our life and the lives oif those close to us.
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Iron Bear Master of Bruin Cottage http://www.bruincottage.org Your attitude, words & actions are yours. Take responsibility for them and the consequences they incur. D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F.
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