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LadyBeckett -> What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 10:30:12 AM)
quote: quote: quote: A slave is about what a person is, not what a person does. Clearly defining limits and expectations does not make one any less of a slave. We part company here. I would contend that a slave is someone who surrenders their freedom to someone else. It has everything to do with what they do. They may do it because of what they are, but the act is still required. I've done something that may seem a bit unethical here, and captured this tidbit from a conversation on another thread between two dominant males that I absolutely respect and admire. However, this is just fascinating to me, and I am curious what you, the slave, have to say about this. [;)]

MistressDREAD -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 10:48:12 AM)
~~waiting with bated breath of the slaves responces...........~~ giggles

gitta -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 10:49:02 AM)
Lady Beckett, Bless you for opening this thread!! Going to do this plain and simple. "warning this is the OPINION of a slave, who is who she is and speaks HER truth" i am a slave, it is who i am, it is what i am, it is how i live, it is what i do. i am a Gorean slave (kajira) i have NO limits, because i trust the One who owns me to know who and what i am, to respect that as His valued property He will see my strengths and weaknessess and use me accordingly. a slave knows that her Owner does value her, and that He wants that value to improve over time. He does not need a contract, set of rules, safeword, only His experiece and wisdom. As a slave i make the CHOICE to offer my freedom to my Master/Owner, once done i will do as He tells me, even when i do not like it...becuase i trust Him enough to KNOW He will use me as He sees best. If i did not have that kind of trust, i would not give my freedom. OK, can hear folks saying, slaves are just pretend, just playing..sure thing, been playing this for 35 years now, intend to for the remainder of my years. They will say you can just beg release and get out of it...why in the world would one want to?? When a slave gives her surrender, begs a collar and becomes valued property of her Master she is free and complete... This is what i think, a slave proud, strong, intelligent and valued. smiles, gitta

NightDaughter -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 12:40:29 PM)
I agree with Gitta. I consider myself to be a slave (though i'll use the term sub without to much qurlm) as well and am not into gor in any shape or form. Actaully it was only in the past 2 years that I even heard about it, and I've been a slave for all of my adult life. Though to a degree one of my fav savings is as follows A submissive volenteers A slave doesn't (though at first volenteering is there, but as time passes you volentararly give up those limits and setting in, trusting that your dominant will care for you as they see fit) If the term slave is what you like then that is what matters, if you don't then don't use it. Everyone has their own deffintion of what a slave is, from the historical to pretend to what have you. So long as you remember that no one can take away your rights and freedoms.

ManeSlave -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 12:49:11 PM)
Ditto Gitta... Great response and same from the male sub perspective. The "action" is because of the "being"... The particulars are as varied as the participants as it should be. The xxxcitement comes from the "gift" of surrender and knowing that the Goddess is genuinely delighted from the total obedience and complete servitude of Her slave. I would question Gitta's definition of "free". If she means her soul is free from the relinquishment of control then i agree. If collared and/or contracted then not free in that sense, but the property of the Owner and obligated to obey. Does this help that which You seek Lady B?

gitta -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 1:03:10 PM)
Hello Maneslave, "free" to a slave called gitta means her spirit is released by giving her freedom to her Master. This is the point in time where she no longer makes choices, she obeys. What could be more freeing than giving up all control? By the way a slave does not believe in contracts, fine for others, but giving conrol means just that to this one. smiles, gitta

ManeSlave -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 1:15:42 PM)
Bless You Gitta... That IS the TRUE meaning of "free"! i envy and wish you the all best in your relationship!

iwillserveu -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 1:42:36 PM)
A slave is a person who will do whatever someone else wants. (Within laws etc. If Eva Braun turned sent people to Auschwitz saying her master, Hitler, ordered it does not excuse her morally.) A sub is a person who will do whatever someone else wants with more limits. The only difference between a sub and a consenting slave is the word. If you want to go with non consenting, slaves are different, but welcome to the 21st century.[:)] In a "free" country slaves, as often defined, do not exist.

gitta -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 1:50:02 PM)
Hello iwill, you are indeed right, in a free country there are no slaves...in the place i and mine live there are..by OUR definition, and OUR rules, and a slave who is a slave in their heart is no less a slave than any other. Everyone has a right to their reality. i do not belittle you and what you do, and resent very much your attempt at insulting me and mine. The thread refers to SLAVES( who according to many do not exist), not submissives. smiles, gitta

LadyBeckett -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 2:28:16 PM)
I've always been a very busy woman. I've heard of Gor, but it wasn't the lifestyle choice of my parents, nor anyone in my family, friends, or close associates. Now that I'm not quite as busy as I've been in the past, I've been hearing more and more reference to Gor, and slaves, and it has piqued my curiosity and fascinated me, as I said in the initial post. So much so, that I am currently reading the books of Gor, from the beginning. I say that, but I haven't actually started yet. I just received the first two today from a dear friend. Do keep talking...I'm definitly reading as you do. [;)]

gitta -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 2:35:24 PM)
LadyBeckett, i too have never read the books of Gor until of late, just started the third one. What i do know and know well is that the beliefs of Gorean people that i do know are very much the same as the ones long ago instilled in this one. Basic tenent is that we all need to live honorable, respectful lives, treat others right, do what we can to help others...all the things we learned in kindergarden, with a few twists. smiles, gitta

anthrosub -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 3:28:39 PM)
i think a good way to look at the sub/slave conundrum is that of a point of departure...and the journey. In the case of subs, they will really never depart from where they started and can enjoy the activities of being a sub while always having their original place available to them (sort of like having a safe word). Slaves on the other hand, are willing to depart...lose site of land so to speak...and embark on a journey that may never lead back to where they started whether they wish to or not. In both cases there will be experiences that change each but the slave will have had them without any fall back position...giving them a quality that exceeds those of the sub who never really lets go in the first place. anthrosub

LadyBeckett -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 4:18:31 PM)
I'm going to talk out of school here, Gitta. It has been my pleasure to become acquainted with Gitta outside the message boards. Which is, in part, responsible for this fascination with the whole understand the slave concept thing. I'm one of these people that focus on what I am interested in, and don't pay a lot of attention to what I'm not. So my concept of "slave" was "rubbertittykitty" and "willsleepinacageatnight" etc. Imagin my surprise when this marvelous, and brilliant woman welcomes me into her light! quote: In both cases there will be experiences that change each but the slave will have had them without any fall back position...giving them a quality that exceeds those of the sub who never really lets go in the first place. That is very interesting, anthrosub.

gitta -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 4:30:21 PM)
Lady Beckett, You never cease to put a smile on the lips a slave carries...i have never slept in a cage, and have no intention to...i have slept at the foot of the bed, chained and without a blanket, and deserved it... Rings a bell loudly, where in this thread does it ask to compare a submissive to a slave??? giggles sorry had to say that... Lady Beckett, tis an honor to call you a friend..glad that you can see the world in a different light...know my light seems way different than most..smiles softly, is who i am. May sound like some others, but i am just me. Being me is a wonderful thing for the most part. smiles, gitta

afmvdp -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 4:55:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyBeckett So my concept of "slave" was "rubbertittykitty" and "willsleepinacageatnight" etc. I think I dated her before. haha

SherriA -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 6:33:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyBeckett I am currently reading the books of Gor, from the beginning. I say that, but I haven't actually started yet. I just received the first two today from a dear friend. Good luck with that! I tried to read them once...I didn't manage to get past the 3rd chapter of any of them (I tried 3 different books). The writing was simply soooooo bad that I couldn't tolerate it, even if there might have been some good wank material hiding between the atroscious prose. I hope you enjoy them more than I did.

LadyBeckett -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 6:58:42 PM)
I'm reading the first book now, and I'm still on the space ship. The writing isn't too bad in this version. I got it from Taggard, who was kind enough to send it to me when I told him I was interested in reading them. His style of writing reminds me a little bit of Susan Howatch. After about three pages one finds themself doing the Evelyn Woods thing. I'm making a conscious effort NOT to do that, so I'm "pacing" myself. lol [;)]

gitta -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 7:16:35 PM)
Hello LadyBeckett, Have not found any wank yet, but can say the second is an easier read than the first...have to read them with a very open mind..afterall what one hopes to get from them is not a scifi story, and it matters not what the discriptions of minor things is..but to get the deeper values that will come to light...important things about life in general. Know you LadyBeckett and know you will get there...feel free to ask questions, i am blessed to have a friend who answers all of mine. smiles, gitta

newflowers -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 10:32:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: anthrosub i think a good way to look at the sub/slave conundrum is that of a point of departure...and the journey. In the case of subs, they will really never depart from where they started and can enjoy the activities of being a sub while always having their original place available to them (sort of like having a safe word). Slaves on the other hand, are willing to depart...lose site of land so to speak...and embark on a journey that may never lead back to where they started whether they wish to or not. In both cases there will be experiences that change each but the slave will have had them without any fall back position...giving them a quality that exceeds those of the sub who never really lets go in the first place. anthrosub Anthrosub - I hope that I have misread this and would welcome clarification. Whether I am termed submissive or slave, I am a woman of honor capable of making and maintaining commitments. I trust and have faith in my partner, in myself, in our decisions, in his decisions, in my decisions fully cognizant that should the expected outcome not be as I wish, I may move forward, but there is no turning back, no returning to the place I was before the journey began. There is no safety net, no rewind button. Whether I am termed submissive or slave, a significant factor of being alive is the continuation of personal, mental, emotional, and spiritual growth. There may be times when the experiences that lead to that growth may be difficult, yet that does not mean I forego the experience in favor of an road less fraught with difficulty. In the course of life, there are rarely ever fallback positions, no knight in shining armour to rescue me, no turning back because I decide I don't like the growing pains. However one may choose to define submissives and slave and their motivating factors, both begin from a position of strength and honor. newflowers

gitta -> RE: What say you, slave? (8/6/2004 10:55:32 PM)
newflowers, What i see here is the point of this thread getting lost in emotions...the thread asks for feelings of SLAVES, and while i fully understand your concern, it does not change or effect the topic..just seems to be a reaction to a post that did not please you. The thread says."I've done something that may seem a bit unethical here, and captured this tidbit from a conversation on another thread between two dominant males that I absolutely respect and admire. However, this is just fascinating to me, and I am curious what you, the slave, have to say about this.* What this one belives is being asked here has nothing to do with submissives and their value(which i happen to think is great). Slaves as well as subs grow on a daily basis, we all have value and are desired human beings. Just happen to know why the thread was started and it is clear to me this has little to do with it. Is not a case of slave vs submissive, or one is better than the other, more a question of what a slave feels they are.

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