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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 7:43:45 PM   
MzMia


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The MAIN place I am seeing negativity is here on CollarMe, so
Mike it aint that hard to ignore.
But since I am here a lot, I wanted to comment on it.
 


Since I am presuming, from the wording of your OP, that you are referring to negativity concerning PE Obama's race, I again ask...Where, Mia?  I had hoped you would be able to point Me in the direction of the posts I have missed concerning such an ugly thing.  
But I haven't yet had a reply.


Read some of the remarks on some of the Off topic threads, Dusty.
Maybe it is a matter of perception.
Many seem to "see" the threads and comments that I am referring to.
If you don't, then maybe it is all in how we "perceive" things. 

< Message edited by MzMia -- 11/9/2008 7:45:09 PM >


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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 7:45:59 PM   
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Thank you for the reply, Mia.
I have been reading, and I haven't seen it.  I am sure it is a matter of perception.
But I do appreciate you getting back to Me. 

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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 8:01:17 PM   
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MzMia:

I understand what you are saying 100 percent.  People who use racial slurs are afraid and insecure.   They are liars as well as thieves.
I do not really understand why, but as a whole, this site is to the far right.   We cannot afford to be to the far right.
I also love President-Elect Obama.  He makes me feel like there is hope again for all people, not just the average white male.
Just let them banter and make themselves look like the trash they really are. 

Good luck.

Regards, MissSCD


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What I predicted last month has started on CollarMe.
I am not surprised at all the racist and thinly veiled racist attacks.
 
I am a bit surprised they have started with a vengance, 5 days
after the election.
I have never seen this level of vitriol and hatred for a President
that has not even been inaugurated. {and believe me I was pissed
when Bush won in 2000!}.

This will certainly continue, it will not stop and I fully expect it too last
for years.
I adore President elect-Obama, CollarMe and many here.
I do not plan on leaving, but ignoring posts, posters and using the block
feature is my new friend.
.....I have to really say, I am sadly not surprised at all.
 

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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 8:04:34 PM   
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Well I am not so sure it is a matter of perception.Goddess Dusty Gold there are right now at least 3 other threads that if read from start to current you can find numerous post's where the prospect of assassination is discussed rather lightly....one poster suggested recalling the newly elected President 70 some odd days before he takes the oath of office.

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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 9:07:52 PM   
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Not for nothin....but predicting that there would be racially based backlash with the election of the first 1/2 Kenyan president really is not that impressive.........When you start accurately predicting  whether our not the Giants will cover the spread......then ya got something.....

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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 9:10:17 PM   
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Don't worry about the covering the spread part,you accurately predict when they are going to win Summer Wind and I will make us a fortune!!!!

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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 9:10:26 PM   
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Well I am not so sure it is a matter of perception.Goddess Dusty Gold there are right now at least 3 other threads that if read from start to current you can find numerous post's where the prospect of assassination is discussed rather lightly....one poster suggested recalling the newly elected President 70 some odd days before he takes the oath of office.


I sincerely want to thank you for being honest enough to bring this up.  I have not addressed this issue at all.  But I think I will now.  It did not occur to Me that this might be the topic which is causing such concern. 
First of all, the Impeach Him comment... I took that as a joke.  So I am thinking that there is some over-sensitivity happening.  I thought so all along as I am reading (and I am reading!) but this nails it.  So you think that is is okay, though, to be referring to John MCain as McCapitalist in another thread I read?  I happens on both sides ya know!  I challenge you to go back and look at how often Obama was never mentioned in a late night comedy monlogue and how often John McCain was.  It amazed Me.  Although why I was amazed I have no idea. 
As to the assassination possibility...well, it is always a possibilty, regardless of who is is in that chair, and perhaps more so with this PE.  However, I prefer to think that although there is a possibility that this could happen due to race, I think it is a stronger possibility that this could happen due to the political stances of the man.  Whether foreign or domestic, the danger is there.  There is no point in hiding heads in the sand and pretending that there is no evil in this world.  That is much of the problem in the UsofA.  We refuse to look evil in the face and deal with it from a position of strength.
I do not think it has been dealt with lightly either.  I think it has been stated as a matter of sad fact.  Poor taste or not, it is a concern.
I have family who are big Obama supporters.  They voted for him and they are concerned.  They brought it up to Me even before the election.  The difference is that they believe it could only happen due to race. That is only because they believe in his mantra of hope and change and the path he hopes to take to achieve that.   I take a larger and much different view of potential consequences and what we need to do to fix this country. 
I did not vote for the PE.  I did not vote for McCain.  For Me, those candidates both represented maintaining the status quo and continuing down a path that I consider destructive to the very principles upon which this country was founded.  I wrote in the name of Ron Paul.  And it wasn't even counted in My state.  That is how strongly I felt about what I needed to do to follow My conscience. 
So there ya go!
 
Edited to add:  I was around (dating Myself, I know) although very young, when Kennedy was assassinated.  I do not ever remember hearing that he was assassinated because he was Catholic.  I do not recall anyone being afraid that he might be assassinated because he was Catholic.  Mayhap I do not have all the memories I should.  I was raised Catholic and it was a big deal at that time.  During the election itself, it was a major deal since there were people all over who were sure that the country would be ruined by Rome.  I am willing to bet it would still be a big deal, and Mitt Romney had his religion called in question also.  Race is not the only area of prejudice in this country. 

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 11/9/2008 9:19:42 PM >


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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 9:15:53 PM   
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Nice Mikey....Had em tonight +3.....couple of Benjamins........pissing on the Eagles....... in Philly....... on National TV........is fun.......

Unfortunately Mike.....If I new when they were gonna win......I'd be calling a guy in Staten Island...not North Carolina......

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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 9:23:48 PM   
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Well GoddessDusty in truth ,given the posting history of the impeach Obama poster...IMO that was more wishful thinking than anything else.As far as the asassination stuff,I will agree that from some it is a matter of just stating an honest concern...with others it is IMO far more than that.Either way it is speculation that is unseemly,the day before Kennedy was shot in Dallas one daily paper in bold front page headlines speculated on whether or not that particular President would make it out of Dallas alive.Who can say how such talk might have emboldened that nut.You believe it is hyper sensitivity,I believe it is uber bad taste....at best.Either way ,I guess we will have to disagree here.

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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 9:33:55 PM   
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Viable political discussion and pointing out thing we are or others may be uncomfortable with (Such as appointing pro Israel, War Hawk Rohm Emmanuel as COS) is hardly vitriol. The biggest mistake we can make as a nation is mandating that any criticism of President Elect Obama is bigotry, racism. vitriol and hate.

Like Emmanuel...

I LOVE that Emmanuel is pro Israel and that it is important to him that The United States keeps a free and democratic Iraq. I like that he is Hawkish on the Middle East and wants peace there on Israel's and The United States' terms.

But his appointment can't make the anti-war and anti-Israel factions that voted in droves for The President Elect.

Ditto for the anti Wall Street'ers (who also voted for Obama in droves) because Emmanuel was known as The Congressman from Wall Street.

Look,,, I think Obama can stand the heat. His Speech and Press Conference clearly showed he was a leader, in charge and will be calling the shots. 

His vast nation of Internet protectors would be better served if they stopped worrying about racists and veiled racists comments solely because they dare to criticize the man or even less... point out to his blathering sycophants that maybe he's not quite the politician they thought he was. Obama is going to really piss off a lot of his supporters (George W. Bush routinely pissed me off.). It's the price of having to be President to all the people.

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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 9:38:20 PM   
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We all know that any politician will be discussed and judged.
 
I just have never seen so much criticism for someone that is not
even President yet!

Also, my prediction was the "never ending discussion" of the fact that he is Black,

racially motivated comments, etc.
If you don't see it happening, great!
But many here do.


< Message edited by MzMia -- 11/9/2008 9:41:15 PM >


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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 9:40:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Viable political discussion and pointing out thing we are or others may be uncomfortable with (Such as appointing pro Israel, War Hawk Rohm Emmanuel as COS) is hardly vitriol. The biggest mistake we can make as a nation is mandating that any criticism of President Elect Obama is bigotry, racism. vitriol and hate.

Like Emmanuel...

I LOVE that Emmanuel is pro Israel and that it is important to him that The United States keeps a free and democratic Iraq. I like that he is Hawkish on the Middle East and wants peace there on Israel's and The United States' terms.

But his appointment can't make the anti-war and anti-Israel factions that voted in droves for The President Elect.

Ditto for the anti Wall Street'ers (who also voted for Obama in droves) because Emmanuel was known as The Congressman from Wall Street.

Look,,, I think Obama can stand the heat. His Speech and Press Conference clearly showed he was a leader, in charge and will be calling the shots. 

His vast nation of Internet protectors would be better served if they stopped worrying about racists and veiled racists comments solely because they dare to criticize the man or even less... point out to his blathering sycophants that maybe he's not quite the politician they thought he was. Obama is going to really piss off a lot of his supporters (George W. Bush routinely pissed me off.). It's the price of having to be President to all the people.


Well that just sounded way too rational and boring.
How dare you not continue the drama. 



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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 9:43:25 PM   
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I doubt that politics will get boring
with President-elect Obama, around.




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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 9:43:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

For Me, those candidates both represented maintaining the status quo and continuing down a path that I consider destructive to the very principles upon which this country was founded. 


That exactly represents my perception as well.

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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 9:51:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia
Also, my prediction was the "never ending discussion" of the fact that he is Black.


.
But Mia... he IS Black.

Do you realize how huge and important in the realm of world history that is??? How important that Barak Obama,  A "Son of Africa", is now President of the United States of America???

I never thought I would see a Black man as President because I didn't think he would gain the majority of white male voters but I was wrong. And nonetheless I am proud of the counrty that they elected him, even if I didn't vote for him

My pride in Obama's election and the country that elected him, transcends politics but I will remain a critic from the Right side of the spectrum.

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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 9:52:45 PM   
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I just have never seen so much criticism for someone that is not
even President yet!



Mia...

Were you paying attention in November and December of 2000?

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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 9:54:10 PM   
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We have had thread after thread, that says it doesn't matter
that he is Black.
 
....I am confused.
 
I still predict no end in sight!
I bet we can agree on that one!


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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 9:55:15 PM   
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I've been following the threads, and I've seen a lot of shit slinging between the two camps, but I haven't seen any "racial attacks".  I've also seen some discussion about the possibility of his assasination, which I think is a legitimate concern that's bound to be raised.  Not sure why all the hyper-sensitivity abounds though.

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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 10:02:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

We all know that any politician will be discussed and judged.
 
I just have never seen so much criticism for someone that is not
even President yet!

Also, my prediction was the "never ending discussion" of the fact that he is Black,

racially motivated comments, etc.
If you don't see it happening, great!
But many here do.



Unfortunately, it does happen, all the time, Mia.  You are just more sensitive to it right now.
Everybody, take a breath and calm down.  We will have a new leader and the predictions of some that were convinced last year that Bush would not step down have not come to fruition. 
We can only watch, wait and hope for the best.  But that is not going to stop those who are leery of the PE to not make their positions and disagreements known.  Take those opinions for what they are without adding more to it than is there. 
 
FDD!  Although I usually agree with you in principle, I often found your way approaching your posts to be less than savory. (Hey, I'm just being honest here!   ) Great post!

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RE: What I predicted last month has started, no end in ... - 11/9/2008 10:09:24 PM   
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Oh well,if I am being hyper sensitive to the predictions that this President won't live to serve out his first term ,let me apologise immediately.I wouldn't want to insult sensitive people who's only guilt is in discussing an event in their heart of hearts they hope never comes to pass....And now I must go take a long hot shower,I feel dirty all of a sudden.

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