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painpup -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:12:56 PM)
resistance is futile You'll be assumulated he's just another Borg as for democrates past people forgot NAFTA

MzMia -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:13:12 PM)
Shot out to wabbit! wabbit, I found a nice 3 minute video for you on the change. enjoy YouTube - Barack Obama Talks about the changes he will make. He seems aproachable, you can always write him with your suggestions.

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:14:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit Forgive my over the top topic title, but the recent South Park episode really did a number on me and I have this vision of Randy Marsh running around with his shirt off yelling about "CHANGE!" that I can't get rid of. So I have heard a lot about CHANGE! in the last year and how things are going to CHANGE! Being the skeptic that I am, I tend to put up a strong guard when I hear a politician talk about CHANGE! especially when that CHANGE! is constantly referenced without much quantification as to what that CHANGE! will be. So for everyone out there who voted or didn't vote because of CHANGE!, what do you think will be CHANGED! during a Barrack Obama presidency, good or bad? I'm also skeptical regarding politicians. Although I don't agree with him on everything, one of the reasons I voted for him was he did lay out his plans, in more detail than I have ever seen a candidate for any office do. Which is what puzzles me when I see questions like yours. How you have not seen the answer to your own question? You may not agree with it, but it's false to claim that he has not outlined his planned changes far more thoroughly than John McCain did, or for that matter, any Presidential candidate in recent memory. all politicians say what people wanna hear in order to get votes. it's like a game show "Who's The Biggest Liar"

Aylee -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:14:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit Forgive my over the top topic title, but the recent South Park episode really did a number on me and I have this vision of Randy Marsh running around with his shirt off yelling about "CHANGE!" that I can't get rid of. I thought that it was "Yes we can!" The Bob the Builder slogan. (Everytime I see or hear Obama speak that song goes through my head) That was hilarious, too, but when it opened up and Randy was running around and kissing the television screen yelling "CHANGE! The CHANGE is COMING! He's so beautiful! He's so perfect! CHANGE", I spit up my Pabst Blue Ribbon. Yeah. I do not usually watch South Park anymore, but I HAD to stay tuned when this one started. I was thinking of the scene where they were all outside shouting "Yes we can" and then rolled the cop car.

corysub -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:15:15 PM)
I think the "change" is going to be substantial and devisive. It will be as profound for the left as Reagan's march to the right. Both men are inheriting a country with economic problems and external threats. Obama has the advantage and disadvantage of a democrat controlled Congress. Pelosi and Reid hold tremendous power and they and their minions have THEIR agenda...and probably with even a faster legislative timetable than Obama's. There will be a revolution in he way things are done in Washington, D.C...and I am not sure the country voted for revolution...those that voted for "change" have no clue what is coming. Barack will find that he cannot just pull the troops out of Iraq which is easy to say when you don't have the responsibility for the lives of people in Iraq, for the morale of our military that believes in the mission, and for the Esprit the Corp that troopers hold and Obama will never understand. I do believe he is not a stupid man, however, and will be more moderate in his governing than I originally would have expected and believe his biggest problems will be coming from the left wanting more immediate actions. Prior to the election Barack only had to beat McCain and the right. Now he has to keep the right quiet and the left pacified. Errrrrr...in other words he is between "barrack and a hard place"... sorry..bad joke.

Owner59 -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:16:54 PM)
I don`t see any sore winners on this board(like in SP),but plenty of sour grapes,curses and ill wishing from the "losers"<said like Stan Marsh> here. To the losers,don`t worry. The socialist,anti-Israel,pro-terrorist thingies are false constructs made up for use during the campaign,and are not based in reality.Just bunk,no need to worry. To those that already know it`s bunk and continue to repeat it,shame on you for misleading and scaring people. Mr Obama will have a tax plan like Bill Clinton`s(no scarwy monsters) and will also have a solid performing economy like Clinton.And he`ll get to the tasks of repairing the damage done by so-called conservatives to our economy.

MadRabbit -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:17:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit Forgive my over the top topic title, but the recent South Park episode really did a number on me and I have this vision of Randy Marsh running around with his shirt off yelling about "CHANGE!" that I can't get rid of. So I have heard a lot about CHANGE! in the last year and how things are going to CHANGE! Being the skeptic that I am, I tend to put up a strong guard when I hear a politician talk about CHANGE! especially when that CHANGE! is constantly referenced without much quantification as to what that CHANGE! will be. So for everyone out there who voted or didn't vote because of CHANGE!, what do you think will be CHANGED! during a Barrack Obama presidency, good or bad? I'm also skeptical regarding politicians. Although I don't agree with him on everything, one of the reasons I voted for him was he did lay out his plans, in more detail than I have ever seen a candidate for any office do. Which is what puzzles me when I see questions like yours. How you have not seen the answer to your own question? You may not agree with it, but it's false to claim that he has not outlined his planned changes far more thoroughly than John McCain did, or for that matter, any Presidential candidate in recent memory. Fair enough. I was being a bit unfair in that assertion. He did do that and I did do my research on his issues. But I didn't really see his proposals being any different then what Democrats have promised before. I lost my faith in him really changing how things are done in Washington when he broke his pledge about the funding. But I'm not trying to be facetious and this isn't meant to be an anti-Obama thread. The main point of his campaign was the promise of CHANGE! and I am just curious to what change individuals voted for and what they think will be different.

slvemike4u -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:19:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u According to John Podesta ,the first order of business will be a reversal of current Bush Administration policies concerning stem cell research and oil and natural gas drilling in Utah. That sounds like a good start.....The return of the Rule of Law would make me very happy,closing Guantanamo and repairing our tattered reputation with the rest of the world community.Repeal of the Patriot Act,no more warrantless wiretaps.....basically a repudiation of the overreaching policy initiatives Bush and Chaney have jammed down our throats while distracting us and dividing us. Thank you, Mike And to everyone else who has posted specifics. Rabbit,you and I have bumped heads on more than one occasion and will probably do so again in the future.All good,that is actually what I come here for...but I would like to express my respect for a post you made on another thread...basically you expressed the opinion that you opposed Obama,and that such opposition ended Tuesday night.I am of course paraphrasing ,you did a much better job of describing what I beieve should have been the response of all to the results.One does not have to like Obama ,one can disagree with his policies...but if you are an American I do believe one should hope he turns out to be a good and wise President....God knows we need one.

MadRabbit -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:20:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Yeah. I do not usually watch South Park anymore, but I HAD to stay tuned when this one started. They are getting a lot better this season. The guinea pig one was really good, too.

Aylee -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:22:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 I don`t see any sore winners on this board(like in SP),but plenty of sour grapes,curses and ill wishing from the "losers"<said like Stan Marsh> here. To the losers,don`t worry. The socialist,anti-Israel,pro-terrorist thingies are false constructs made up for use during the campaign,and are not based in reality.Just bunk,no need to worry. To those that already know it`s bunk and continue to repeat it,shame on you for misleading and scaring people. Mr Obama will have a tax plan like Bill Clinton`s(no scarwy monsters) and will also have a solid performing economy like Clinton.And he`ll get to the tasks of repairing the damage done by so-called conservatives to our economy. Will he also ignore terrorist attacks on American targets like Clinton? Will he do unspeakable things with cigars like Clinton? Will he go through impeachment proceedings like Clinton? (Dayum, I REALLY hope that he is not like Clinton.)

Owner59 -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:23:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit Forgive my over the top topic title, but the recent South Park episode really did a number on me and I have this vision of Randy Marsh running around with his shirt off yelling about "CHANGE!" that I can't get rid of. So I have heard a lot about CHANGE! in the last year and how things are going to CHANGE! Being the skeptic that I am, I tend to put up a strong guard when I hear a politician talk about CHANGE! especially when that CHANGE! is constantly referenced without much quantification as to what that CHANGE! will be. So for everyone out there who voted or didn't vote because of CHANGE!, what do you think will be CHANGED! during a Barrack Obama presidency, good or bad? I'm also skeptical regarding politicians. Although I don't agree with him on everything, one of the reasons I voted for him was he did lay out his plans, in more detail than I have ever seen a candidate for any office do. Which is what puzzles me when I see questions like yours. How you have not seen the answer to your own question? You may not agree with it, but it's false to claim that he has not outlined his planned changes far more thoroughly than John McCain did, or for that matter, any Presidential candidate in recent memory. all politicians say what people wanna hear in order to get votes. it's like a game show "Who's The Biggest Liar" I don`t think these folks think they`re being lied to. Don`t they look happy and hopeful,........................................Michael?.......

MadRabbit -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:23:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u According to John Podesta ,the first order of business will be a reversal of current Bush Administration policies concerning stem cell research and oil and natural gas drilling in Utah. That sounds like a good start.....The return of the Rule of Law would make me very happy,closing Guantanamo and repairing our tattered reputation with the rest of the world community.Repeal of the Patriot Act,no more warrantless wiretaps.....basically a repudiation of the overreaching policy initiatives Bush and Chaney have jammed down our throats while distracting us and dividing us. Thank you, Mike And to everyone else who has posted specifics. Rabbit,you and I have bumped heads on more than one occasion and will probably do so again in the future.All good,that is actually what I come here for...but I would like to express my respect for a post you made on another thread...basically you expressed the opinion that you opposed Obama,and that such opposition ended Tuesday night.I am of course paraphrasing ,you did a much better job of describing what I beieve should have been the response of all to the results.One does not have to like Obama ,one can disagree with his policies...but if you are an American I do believe one should hope he turns out to be a good and wise President....God knows we need one. Thank you, mike. I appreciate it. I support the President even if I don't support the policies. The idea of wishing ruin on this country for the PR of your own party is way off the mark. I really do hope this is an awesome four years and I really hope that some of Obama's policies don't cripple small buisnesses like mine. Edited to Add : And my opinion of you based on my first impressions of our head butting has changed for the better. (But I can't give Obama credit for that CHANGE! [:D])

rulemylife -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:23:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u According to John Podesta ,the first order of business will be a reversal of current Bush Administration policies concerning stem cell research and oil and natural gas drilling in Utah. That sounds like a good start.....The return of the Rule of Law would make me very happy,closing Guantanamo and repairing our tattered reputation with the rest of the world community.Repeal of the Patriot Act,no more warrantless wiretaps.....basically a repudiation of the overreaching policy initiatives Bush and Chaney have jammed down our throats while distracting us and dividing us. Monday, November 10, 2008 WASHINGTON - President-elect Obama's advisers are crafting plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison and prosecute terrorism suspects in the U.S., a plan that the Bush administration said Monday was easier said than done. Under the plan being crafted inside Obama's camp, some detainees would be released and others would be charged in U.S. courts, where they would receive constitutional rights and open trials. But, underscoring the difficult decisions Obama must make to fulfill his pledge of shutting down Guantanamo, the plan could require the creation of a new legal system to handle the classified information inherent in some of the most sensitive cases.

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:28:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: painpup resistance is futile You'll be assumulated he's just another Borg as for democrates past people forgot NAFTA as opposed to the Republican and independant Borg Drones? they can label themselves however they wish, it's all the same lies that they say just to get votes and mess things up like they have done over the past few centuries. [sm=2cents.gif]

Aylee -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:35:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia quote: ORIGINAL: painpup resistance is futile You'll be assumulated he's just another Borg as for democrates past people forgot NAFTA as opposed to the Republican and independant Borg Drones? they can label themselves however they wish, it's all the same lies that they say just to get votes and mess things up like they have done over the past few centuries. [sm=2cents.gif] [sm=dancer.gif] Some things in life are bad, They can really make you mad. Other things just make you swear and curse. When you're chewing on life's gristle, Don't grumble, give a wistle! And this'll help things turn out for the best... And... ...always look on the bright side of life! Always look on the bright side of life... If life seems jolly rotten, There's something you've forgotten! And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing, When you're feeling in the dumps, Don't be silly chumps, Just purse your lips and whistle -- that's the thing! And... always look on the bright side of life... Come on! Always look on the bright side of life... For life is quite absurd, And death's the final word. You must always face the curtain with a bow! Forget about your sin -- give the audience a grin, Enjoy it -- it's the last chance anyhow! So always look on the bright side of death! Just before you draw your terminal breath. Life's a piece of shit, When you look at it. Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true, You'll see it's all a show, Keep 'em laughing as you go. Just remember that the last laugh is on you! And always look on the bright side of life (whistle) Always look on the bright side of life

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:42:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: happypervert you can disagree with the government without having your patriotism questioned This is the only one that I've seen so far that I feel compelled to actually comment on. I don't see that change forthcoming - not even remotely. In fact, I've already seen quite the opposite even on these fori. While no one has made comments about dissenters being Specifically unpatriotic, there's been a LOT of comments that have held the tone (to me, when I read them) of "if you don't agree that this election is the best thing that's happened in the US for decades, and jump on the Obama bandwagon, you're unamerican and something is simply Wrong with you." Perhaps it's simply perception. But that IS how several posts in several threads from several posters have come across. What that tells me is that while there's a chance that we might see less OFFICIAL statements calling disagreers things like unpatriotic, I think that the general public will continue to do so unless and until disillusionment sets in because the "changes" they want to see aren't happening fast enough - or the "change" that takes place isn't what they specifically wanted "changed." I am naturally skeptical of anything that comes out of ANY politician's mouth. I'm far to aware that they All employ talented and well trained speech writers in order to appear before the public in the best possible light, and to say what (they hope) at least some portion of the public - the more of it the better - wants to hear. Will he be sucessful in bringing about change - good change that benefits all of us, the lil folks, rather than bad change that only helps the various special interest groups and lobbies that were capable of donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to a campaign? Only time will tell. I reserve judgement until such time as he's actually taken office and had sufficient opportunity to either carry through on various campaign promises or not - or at least to Attempt to do so, even if he gets balked by congress. As for the OP - I don't really expect to see anything change significantly for the better to a sufficient degree that any of us actually Feel the effects of such changes.

rulemylife -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:43:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia all politicians say what people wanna hear in order to get votes. it's like a game show "Who's The Biggest Liar" Because that is the way we've created our election process. We complain about it then turn around and say I'm not voting for him because he is against abortion or I won't vote for him because he will raise the capital gains tax. Instead of looking at the overall picture and who we think will do the best job for the country as a whole, we focus on our own narrow little issues and how it will affect us personally. We force politicians into equivocation and ambiguity because if they take a strong stand on any controversial issue they will have a specific voting bloc that will put all their efforts into defeating them and likely succeed.

TNstepsout -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:45:52 PM)
I don't like to see change just for the sake of change. Sometimes people change things that are working just to put their mark on it. I hope we don't get that kind of change. There are enough things that NEED to be changed for the better that I really hope that is where the focus will be. The biggest things I would like to see change are: 1. Our approach to foreign relations. I would like to see us take a more respectful position of other cultures and treat them as equal participants instead of ignorant children that need our help. 2. I'd like to see energy and ecological issues become a central part of all of our policies. It's apparent that our resources are finite and we have to begin utilizing them with the future in mind. 3. I'd like to see more accountability for everyone. Fewer hand outs, fewer bailouts. Let's make people earn what they get.

MadRabbit -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:54:10 PM)
Okay, I guess it's my turn. I didn't vote for him, because the change I saw coming was more penalization and tougher times for small business under Obama's politics. Most of the people I know who didn't vote him are small business owners as well. As someone who runs a very small business, I think things are too hard for independent contractors as it is. Given that most of our manufacturing has been transfered over seas, small business is the big hope for this countries economy (They already provide 50% of the jobs).

philosophy -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 6:57:34 PM)
FR ...the change i'd like to see is, predictably, in foreign policy. The previous administration seemed to totally fail to understand how the rest of the world worked.....and not just tricky places like the Middle East, but also Europe. The USA needs its allies......in this global economy all countries need allies. i'm hoping that PE Obama will remember that allies are friends, not enemies you haven't bombed yet.

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