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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 2:12:18 PM   
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Damn that Barbara Bush for giving birth to such an evil bastard.

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I'm sure Barbara is just as disgusted with both Jeb and George W. as we are, much to her sorrow.
 
I imagine Rose Kennedy was pretty taken aback to find out Ted was a murderer, too.
 
If no one is personally responsible for their actions, Bull, what's the point of any justice system at all?  Why should Bush get off with killing thousands of U.S. service men and women as well as Millions of Afgans and Iraquis, while a garden-variety murder gets sent to the *big house*?
 
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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 2:22:34 PM   
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I don't think there's anything to be gained by trying to "get" GWB. 

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Really?  How many people does someone get to murder before you feel it's *worth* prosecuing them?
 
Do you think acts of Treason by a POTUS are worth prosecuting, or should we just ignore that  as well?  Did you know Treason is the ONLY crime defined in the body of the U.S. Constitution? 
 
Seems pretty important *to me* to prosecute him.  Punishment serves a purpose, and behind bars, George won't be able to us any more harm. 
 
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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 3:12:25 PM   
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Regarding Iraq war: there is a case, people spend energy, but the result is rather small mostly keeping the topic floating around. Wasn't it all for Iraq freedom after all?

How soon we forget--or have revisionist history pushed upon us.  It was (accordingly to the line of BS Bush fed Congress and the American people) because of Weapons of Mass Destruction, because Iraq was an imminent threat.

Bush's own words:

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Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent

Saddam Hussein had biological weapons materials sufficient to produce over 25,000 liters of anthrax; enough doses to kill several million people.

Saddam Hussein had materials sufficient to produce more than 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin; enough to subject millions of people to death by respiratory failure.

The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.
Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production.

Do you really think Congress would have authorized pre-emptive war without provocation on a foreign country solely to free its people?

A year later, however, after no WMD's were found, the line from the White House was how it was all for Iraqi freedom. 

Fortunately we have something called the Internet that preserves their original "justification".

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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 3:55:38 PM   
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Regarding Iraq war: there is a case, people spend energy, but the result is rather small mostly keeping the topic floating around. Wasn't it all for Iraq freedom after all?

How soon we forget--or have revisionist history pushed upon us.  It was (accordingly to the line of BS Bush fed Congress and the American people) because of Weapons of Mass Destruction, because Iraq was an imminent threat.

Bush's own words:

quote:

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent

Saddam Hussein had biological weapons materials sufficient to produce over 25,000 liters of anthrax; enough doses to kill several million people.

Saddam Hussein had materials sufficient to produce more than 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin; enough to subject millions of people to death by respiratory failure.

The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.
Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production.

Do you really think Congress would have authorized pre-emptive war without provocation on a foreign country solely to free its people?

A year later, however, after no WMD's were found, the line from the White House was how it was all for Iraqi freedom. 

Fortunately we have something called the Internet that preserves their original "justification".



Well if that's the information I had at the time I doubt I'd have taken as long as Bush and Blair to attack the fuckin' pain in the ass desert rat...

Now since we now know or at least assume that was not the case, I hope they fired alot of useless "secret" agents or at least got them the help and the resources they need to get things like this right as we move forward.

I suspect the future will write a much different historical perspective than the political advisaries hosting an array of agendas do at the present.

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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 4:10:46 PM   
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Except that a lot of those same secret agents told them the intel was wrong or faked, and yet Bush went ahead with the above in his State of the Union address.  The "uranium from Africa" in particular had been discredited weeks before. 

Then again, the Bush administration had been hell-bent on invading Iraq since before 9/11, so they weren't about to let discredited intel stop them.

But what's almost as bad is them (a year or so later) pretending that "freeing Iraqis" was their reason all along. 

Or pretending there was a link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11.  For years.

It's time to end pretend government.



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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 4:39:35 PM   
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Bush should be impeached for all of those terrorist attacks on American soil since 9-11-01. Oh, wait, nevermind.

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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 7:21:10 PM   
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Is that where we set the bar now.Absence of attacks on American soil qualifies Bush to have High Schools named after him?

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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 7:26:02 PM   
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He looks drunk to me.  Best way is to let him go.   He will always be a target of the people he had killed in Irac.   They will get him.
 
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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 7:47:15 PM   
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Wasn't it all for Iraq freedom after all?

awmslave


I was never sure exactly why we were invading either Afganistan or Iraq.  Was it to remove a evil dictator?  To find Osama Bin Laden?  To remove Weapons of Mass Destruction?  To free middle eastern women from the Taliban?  To conduct a 'War on Terrorism'?
 
Sounds like -- smells like -- a big ole fish story to me.   Yanno, its both a desert topping and a floor wax.  The terrorist is to the U.S. what the 'commie threat' once was...an excuse to engage in war mongering.
 
What were we doing in Somalia?  Are we done?  Why don't I ever hear anything about that 'police action' anymore?
 
Whe the U.S, interferes with the sovereignty of other nations, it rarely does so because someone is circuling NY Harbor with gunboats.  The more 'remote' the cause and intended effect, the less I trust the War Machine to act in *our* best interests.
 
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see a difference between WW II and Korea, Vietnam, ad nauseum.  *I* think we should mind our own business more.  Possiply help defeat someone like PolPot, but that's about it.
 
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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 7:51:03 PM   
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He looks drunk to me. Best way is to let him go. He will always be a target of the people he had killed in Irac. They will get him.

How would you respond if I expressed a similar sentiment about your beloved president elect?


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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 8:02:15 PM   
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Huh? So we've repealed portions of the Constiution ya think?
 
BTW, Clinton should have been impeached.  I believe he got away with murder in the White Water Scandal.  And it wasn't just Monica Lewinski -- who was what?  21?  -- it was also Gennifer Flowers, who was picked up by AK state troopers and brought to see Clinton when he was sitting as govenor because he desired her.
 
If Clinton had had a patriotic bone in his body, he would have resigned and spared the nation the creepiness.  I can still hear it:
 
'I did not have sex with that woman.  I did not have sexal relations with Monica Lewinski."
 
and who can forget:
 
'it depends on what 'is' 'means'.
 
Ugh.  Gag me.
 
candystripper 

 
The man's a liar and a sexual predator.
 
And his freaking wife is just as sleasy.  Has no one noticed she's lezzie?  No wonder she doesn't care who her husband f**ks -- only none of my lezzie girlfriends would allow such a sleasebag in their lives in any capacity.
 
O, I just can't stand either one of them.  It's like Nixon -- if Nixon had been able to get it up.  Gawd forbid Obama would pardon Bush.  I say send him to the federal pen, or wherever war criminals go.
 
I didn't need to 'heal' when Ford pardoned Nixon -- I needed justice.  That's exactly what I need now as well.

candystripper 


Impeachment was taken off the table by the Dems in 06. I knew what it meant. They simply refused to do the job they are/were elected to do. We can see they haven't done their jobs so far, and likely won't. Ever. Neither Bush nor Cheney will be impeached.

Being brought up on charges after they have left office is also very unlikely. I doubt the citizens will have the motivation to focus on the past while everything is crumbling around them in the present.

Doubtful also that anything will happen in regard to international bodies, organizations or law. Aren't we the biggest cock on the block (so to speak)? So who could effect a seriour effort to make that happen. We simply have too many guns.

I do believe he has committed acts which are both impeachable and prosecutable. I just don't see it happening.

As an attorney candy you know the importance of the legal definition and meanings of words. Clinton most certainly had some slimy elements, so this isn't intended as an overall defense of him or his character. But it seems from a most literal legal interpretation his question was legitimate. A bit of a stretch? Yes. But not completely out of bounds.

Many laws are written with a glossary, or dictionary, or definitions. Take the Uniform Commercial Code, or Kentuckys version of such, which is in KRS 355. Their are sections that are devoted to defining terms used throughout the various chapters, and with specificity. Sometimes words in common usage are defined quite differently in their overall legal meaning, or even as they apply to only one section of code, or law.

I have seen the term "firearm" used in one law, or statute. On its face one usually assumes the term to mean any sort of firearm. Looking in the definitions as they pertain to that law specifically the term "firearm" has been defined as only a shotgun. That excludes pistols, revolvers, rifles, bazookas,  surface to air missiles, etc.

So asking what the definition of "is" is does have some merit. Clinton was an attorney. He knew what he was doing when he pushed the boundaries. And yeah it was slimy.

After your suggestion that we try approaching your assisting me with my legal issues with a fresh or new start I attempted to respond via email. I note that your profile is no longer available to receive emails.

If you're still interested in that it appears you'll need to provide me with another means of contacting you.

Uncle Nasty


Hey there Uncle Nasty...hope you're doing well.
 
I won't compare Bush's criminal acts to those I believe Clinton committed.  It's a matter of apples and oranges. Flowers and Lewinski are just two people, and both are still alive, though I'd imagine their lives are pretty well ruined.  I can make a distinction between sexual predation and financial crimes as compared to Treason and mass murder.
 
I fail to see why we'd have to prosecute both or neither, or do so simultaneously.  Cliinton will likely be around awhile..he can wait.
 
Malfeasance in office is something I know a bit about, but not as to POTUS.  I believe he loses the cloak of Executive Privildge when he departs -- finally! --on Jan. 20th, 2009 or so.
 
If Bush had a patriotic bone in his body, he'd resign tomorrow and let Obama take over.
 
But patriotism isn't what fuels the fire to become POTUS for most folks.  Probably not even JFK.
 
Folks, there's a post on Legal Planning for BDSM Couples and Families here:
 
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2280980/tm.htm
 
The Mods moved it from General BDSM to Professional Services, which I would guess most folks never read.
 
It's probaably not worth looking at if'n you reisde outside the United States.
 
Peace out.
 
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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 8:15:09 PM   
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So, I was watching a show on the History Channel about the Civil War Prision Andersonville, and the conviction of its Warden, Captain Henry Wirz. 
 
And I got to wondering about prosecutions that might be brought against George W. Bush:
 
For Lying His Ass Off About 'Weapons Of Mass Destruction' in Irag.
 
Isn't this a War Crime?
 
For F**king Up the Economy.
 
Isn't this Treason?
 
Do you think George will commit more crimes between now and Jan. 21st, 2009?  Personally, I'm waiting for him to abuse his Executive Pardon Powers for his friends. 
 
The man seems positively dumber than a box of rocks.
 
Any thoughts, folks?
 
candystripper 


If your gonna put George Bush in prison for fucking up the economy than you might just add those people in Congress that got paid off by FannieMae and Freddie Mac for years with contributions...including, by the way Barack Obama.  The Congress relaxed the ruled to allow for everyone to achieve the American dream, whether they could afford the home or not...As you get into this issue you will find there is more than enough blame to go around. 
As far as WMD's  the democrats are going to try to bring something up in their spirit of bipartisan flogging of George Bush.  Might also consider putting Bill Clinton on trial for using the Oval Office for his BJ's as if it was Motel 8....instead of following up on leads to BinLaden which than allowed his people to commander four civilian jets and do those horrible deeds on 9/11.  Off with all their heads!!!

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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 8:21:42 PM   
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He looks drunk to me. Best way is to let him go. He will always be a target of the people he had killed in Irac. They will get him.

How would you respond if I expressed a similar sentiment about your beloved president elect?

CL,you're slipping a little bit here,did you just fail to use the preferred "dear leader"tittle.A rare mistake from a commited man.

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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 9:15:55 PM   
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Is that where we set the bar now.Absence of attacks on American soil qualifies Bush to have High Schools named after him?


WTC attack Number 1 and the bombing of the USS Cole should qualify Bill Clinton getting a Hooters or cigar humidor named after him.

I'm not worried about terrorist attacks with the Messiah elect. He'll just put Bill Ayers in charge of securing the Pentagon since I'm sure he has vast knoweledge of it's defenses.



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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 9:20:05 PM   
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He looks drunk to me.  Best way is to let him go.   He will always be a target of the people he had killed in Irac.   They will get him.
 
Regards, MissSCD


I guess Clinton should be careful around the Chinese after bombing their embassy.

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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/15/2008 9:30:24 PM   
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Is that where we set the bar now.Absence of attacks on American soil qualifies Bush to have High Schools named after him?


WTC attack Number 1 and the bombing of the USS Cole should qualify Bill Clinton getting a Hooters or cigar humidor named after him.

I'm not worried about terrorist attacks with the Messiah elect. He'll just put Bill Ayers in charge of securing the Pentagon since I'm sure he has vast knoweledge of it's defenses.



ROFLMAO....putting Bil Ayers in charge of security would still be an upgrade when one looks at George Bush's appointment record.

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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/16/2008 1:01:17 AM   
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Regarding Iraq war: there is a case, people spend energy, but the result is rather small mostly keeping the topic floating around. Wasn't it all for Iraq freedom after all?
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The pont was we are not living in perfect and just world and Bush will not be prosecuted (anybody betting money against this statement?).  Iraq freedom was a joke. I believe it was still more than just securing the oil supply. Bush team had an idealistic hope to reshape the Middle East.

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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/16/2008 1:14:24 AM   
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Wasn't it all for Iraq freedom after all?


....not when it started, the idea that it was all about Iraqi Freedom only came in when it became clear that the originally stated reason was utter bollocks.

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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/16/2008 5:39:31 AM   
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History will do enough to Georgie Boy that the American people will not have to!....
I can see it now, who was the worst President of all time? Herbert Hoover will finally get a reprieve!...
Andrew Johnson and U.S. Grant will be after thoughts and Jimmy Carter won't even be mentioned in the same breath.


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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/16/2008 6:12:12 AM   
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Damn that Barbara Bush for giving birth to such an evil bastard.

xBullx


I'm sure Barbara is just as disgusted with both Jeb and George W. as we are, much to her sorrow.
 
I imagine Rose Kennedy was pretty taken aback to find out Ted was a murderer, too.
 
If no one is personally responsible for their actions, Bull, what's the point of any justice system at all?  Why should Bush get off with killing thousands of U.S. service men and women as well as Millions of Afgans and Iraquis, while a garden-variety murder gets sent to the *big house*?
 
candystripper 


You  really think Barbara is dissapointed? Did she say something to lead you to this conclusion or are you just assuming she is because you don't like the man. My guess is she is proud of him and they will live happily ever after.

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