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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/16/2008 7:58:39 AM

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It's amazing (to me) how so many can be so vindictive when, this is clearly a time for healing. We've elected a man who is going to fix EVERYTHING that has been broken to this point.

President Bush could probably EASILY be convicted for lying to the American people (As President Clinton felt that President Nixon should have been impeached for the same thing in 1974). When you add the fact that President Bush also lied to the UN, the international community, and (indirectly) to congress, he should also be impeached (as President Clinton was for that exact offense).

However, impeachment doesn't mean anything more than any "civilian" indictment. It means: "We believe a crime has been committed and we believe this person is the one that committed it". The fact that President Clinton wasn't removed from office proves this point.

The trouble is that most of these morons are lawyers and have taken the effort to insulate themselves from any real damage. Also, to be fair, there should be some protection afforded them when it comes to certain things. We elect our officials to serve us (supposedly) based upon them sharing their plans/visions with us. When that vision/plan fails, they should NOT be held accountable moreso than removal from office. What's funny is: that option is ALWAYS open to us. We can impeach/remove or recall (election) any elected official that we want to take the effort to.

One last thing: let's be very careful about the words we throw around. President Nixon taped himself conspiring to lie to/mislead the American people and the congress. There is NO "treason" in that. It's reprehensible but, it doesn't give aid and comfort to any enemy that I'm aware of.

Edit: I'm pretty sure that while there's no black-letter law regarding it, there is a deterent to Presidents pardoning themselves (which is why President Ford pardoned President Nixon). I mean, if it were COMPLETELY legitimate, do you REALLY think that President Nixon would have forgotten to "dot that 'I'" before he left office?

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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/17/2008 4:31:54 AM

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Do you think acts of Treason by a POTUS are worth prosecuting, or should we just ignore that as well? Did you know Treason is the ONLY crime defined in the body of the U.S. Constitution?

Seems pretty important *to me* to prosecute him. Punishment serves a purpose, and behind bars, George won't be able to us any more harm.

GWB hasn't committed treason. It's way over the top to characterize his actions that way. I'm sure that there is an impeachable offense or three in his 7.75 years in office, but as has been pointed out, the time for impeachment has passed. There will be many people going over all of the information they can get (and filing legal requests for the information they can't get) and I expect a lot of stuff will come out. If there's unequivocal evidence of serious criminal wrongdoing by GWB himself he should be held accountable, but that does not exist at this point so calls to lock him up are at least premature. There will be inquiries and hearings. There may be people who are prosecuted, there will surely be people who will have a lot to answer for, and hopefully enough information will come out that we can plug these holes that allowed the worst abuses of power to occur.

It really sounds to me like you want revenge. Punishment does sometimes serve a purpose, revenge doesn't. At this point, all seeking punishment for GWB will do is to get the partisans on both sides more angry with each other, and that is the very last thing that we need. In a few months W himself will be a nonissue, but we need a government and people who can try to work together on the issues that we're tangling with.

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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/17/2008 4:48:26 AM

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Punishment serves a purpose, and behind bars, George won't be able to us any more harm.

President Bush will have discharged his office at noon on 20 January 2009. His power to direct US policy, whether for good or for ill, is done at that time.

What you seek, as has been noted, is not punishment but revenge. Revenge is for suckers. It does no good, and often does more harm than the original misdeed.

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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/17/2008 7:40:17 PM

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History will do enough to Georgie Boy that the American people will not have to!....
I can see it now, who was the worst President of all time? Herbert Hoover will finally get a reprieve!...
Andrew Johnson and U.S. Grant will be after thoughts and Jimmy Carter won't even be mentioned in the same breath.

I agree President Bush has to be one of the worse President's
in U.S. history.
His place and reputation in the history books will have to suffice at this point.

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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/17/2008 8:45:56 PM

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Punishment serves a purpose, and behind bars, George won't be able to us any more harm.

President Bush will have discharged his office at noon on 20 January 2009. His power to direct US policy, whether for good or for ill, is done at that time.

What you seek, as has been noted, is not punishment but revenge. Revenge is for suckers. It does no good, and often does more harm than the original misdeed.

It's true, it does no good. But on my evil days, I am going to love watching the outrage when nothing happens to him.

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RE: Convicting Georage W. Bush - 11/17/2008 9:59:16 PM

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Punishment serves a purpose, and behind bars, George won't be able to us any more harm.

President Bush will have discharged his office at noon on 20 January 2009. His power to direct US policy, whether for good or for ill, is done at that time.

What you seek, as has been noted, is not punishment but revenge. Revenge is for suckers. It does no good, and often does more harm than the original misdeed.

It's true, it does no good. But on my evil days, I am going to love watching the outrage when nothing happens to him.

On my evil days I'm going to enjoy looking at the international arrest warrants that will keep him from ever leaving the country again. I'm further going to enjoy the fact that his family's political future is nonexistent. And one day I'm going to watch him argue against receiving the same treatment he felt law abiding residents of this nation deserved and I will laugh.

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