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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/20/2008 5:18:36 AM   
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LOL lally... very good point!

Oh and when they get to braggin about eighter's... I tell them they don't have braggin rights until its a 12'er... Funny I don't even have to block them at that point.  I'm called a bitch and away they go.


 sweet!! - ill have to adopt that line - mind you, theyll probably think we stretch wider than the grand canyon!...  still if it works who cares!!

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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/20/2008 5:44:34 AM   
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hehe... I never said or claimed they could get the whole 12 in!  Had I... I am sure I would have mentioned kali's teeth or something like that.

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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/20/2008 6:10:12 AM   
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Not at all, what girl meant is that if men want to pose as women, let them. If women want to pose as men, let them do so as well.
Is girl saying they are wannabes, no. The reference to TG was made since in many circumstances. You have a man trapped in a woman's body and woman trapped in a man's body. Such things happen. Perhaps posing as either gender relieves the tensions, anxieties of everyday living. Being something that is felt in mind and body, maybe even in spirit as being incorrect.
Is such clarification adequate?



I don't pose as a female as you put it, I am female. This isn't a game, it isn't pretend and it isn't a f*cking role play.

You think I'd go through all this gender reassignment if I were male?

And what makes you think someone like me cannot cope with the 'anxieties' of every day living?

That clarification is about the most ignorant, if not offensive thing I have ever read on these boards.

Some people just don't have a clue.


Stella...

Shake it off, sister. You are just going to have to breathe and shake it off....if i had a nickel for every question i fielded in 15 yrs about "who's the girl and who's the boy in this relationship" id be at your house now, financing your next play....shakeitoff....much much love. ~perse~

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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/20/2008 5:16:49 PM   
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Girl's comment was not directed towards the trans-genre, it was directed towards those that are not so inclined towards change. Girl is not commenting about this forum, but has experienced such men posing as women, women posing as men, not as being trans, but being perhaps curious about having a cyber liaison with a lesbian or with a male that is gay. Girl has met a few such people at gender switch club. What girl is trying to point out is the falsehood, the emotions having to learn the woman that you are chatting with, or man, what ever the case may be, getting you to the point where chats have become personal. Emotions are running high, attachments are being created.
An example:
Girl meets another girl, was not in this forum, but another forum, emotions start to run high. Attachments are being founded, there is something there. So pure is the emotions shared that you really want to meet the other girl. Then the statement, that the girl that you really want to meet, is a guy. All that time, effort, emotional investment wilts away like a morning daisy given poison. Then the following statement, it was fun having a lesbian relationship online, have I done something wrong. Duh! Yes, girl feels betrayed. That is what girl means about posers. The guy got off on it, girl's heart broken. Who cares right? Its on the internet, its not real, said person can just walk away. Who cares that they broke your heart. All that time. By the way, the girl that turned out to be guy, sent girl jewelery and engagement ring, then appeared on the couple's ,that girl currently serves, doorstep. Girl was given some serious discipline after he went home. The guy did not like girl's choice in lifestyle. Never heard from the guy again. Girl's not sure if there was anywhere on girl's body that the crop did not come in contact with, then the hot bath with epson salts. Live and learn, right? Girl stepped way out of bounds.
Say what you will about the statements that girl has made or the example shared from girl's life. There are some legitimate people out there in the world, girls and boys of heart, body, mind and soul. They are the real people that come forward and speak the truth about who they are. There are those that could care less if they hurt anyone along the way.
If girl hurts by the statements made, its because girl is sharing personal experience. Girl makes statements so the same does not happen to any of you on here. Girl knows you are all people, sitting at your computers and laptops in this forum.
Girl is real, experiences are real, if words touch a nerve then its obvious we have something in common now don't we? similar life experiences. 

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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/20/2008 5:41:14 PM   
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the fakers and wannabes are people that lie about what they do and how much experience they have. 


And since this is online, without personally knowing someone, how, exactly, do you judge who is lying about their experience/practices/dynamic?

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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/20/2008 6:22:34 PM   
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And since this is online, without personally knowing someone, how, exactly, do you judge who is lying about their experience/practices/dynamic?

By how well they are able to give concrete, useful advice to others -- instead of platitudes.  People who really have had to go through "it" -- both when it was great and when it totally sucked -- are better at helping others than those who are just guessing. 

Of course, there are people who have allowed their experiences to make them bitter and resentful, and they tend to be emotionally alone, even if they are in a long-term "relationship."  Experience is less important than wisdom, and you gain wisdom by processing experiences in a constructive, useful way.


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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/20/2008 8:34:22 PM   
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Okay I stand corrected, though I did interpret it totally differently. I found the third person speak confusing.

Maybe part of the problem wasn't what was written but my own experiences and guilt. I grew up as a boy and though I've also lived as a guy I sensed pretty much by the age of 17 that I wasn't "normal" and that at some point I would have to make major changes in my life. I also had a 'vanilla' life, and for some years that 'vanilla' life was as a guy, and yes, as a wannabe. I would date women, I even went through a phase of Internet dating some years back in Poland, and even date women, admitting that I was a crossdresser, but somehow knowing deep inside that I was more than this, that it was far more than the clothes and dressing up as a woman. The thing was, when things got intimate I would back off, sorry that I had allowed her to get that close to me, and I would end the relationship. Why was I doing this? I wanted and craved acceptance, understanding and love, but I was going about it the wrong way. I even put on weight, a lot of weight and remained fat. Why? My body changed when I was younger due to my mosaicism, I have rather feminine hips, legs and bottom of a woman, no hair, and women would notice when we got naked. Being fat women didn't notice and I 'passed' as a guy. This is how I ended up getting married. But all along there was always much more to me and to my issues than just being a crossdresser, it was far more than this, it was me, it just took a long time for me to work it out and accept it. The labels - CD, TV, TS, etc. - changed not just with my awareness but also with my willingness to accept me and who I really am.

The marriage was short, turbulent, but successful in the way it resolved issues for both my wife and me. I was becoming known and popular in theatre and wanted to move to Warsaw, my wife was a beautiful blonde living in Warsaw who had a drink problem. She knew I was a crossdresser, but even though she tried she couldn't accept this, and it turned out to be much more. The marriage turned out to be platonic, we decided to separate in 1998 and divorced on Feb 14 2000. My former wife quit drinking and moved onto someone else and now has two lovely kids, I had started to try and transition from 1998 since when I found contact with a domme in Warsaw.

Some people have suggested I write a book about my transition, but I guess I'm more of an expert over how not to go about gender reassignment, but one of the hardest things I have had to do in life was to learn to accept that I am not male and have never been male, that I only have certain male physical characteristics and that many changes have to be made.

Years ago when I first came out and I was in London I could pass, and I mean really pass and nobody would have known I was anyone different from a female, and gradually these days are coming back. But now it isn't that important, I make no attempt to hide the fact that I am transgendered because it is who I really am, and I will always be transgendered. In fact the most important thing to me now is that what you see online is who I am offline, and this is important to me, because I don't want to mislead nor deceive anyone.

The Internet for someone like me is a Godsend, it really is. It makes my life so much easier and is instrumental in helping me become more integrated into a community and out there in society. But it also helps me to shorten the odds. I live a life where very few things come easily and many things come after a struggle or with some degree of difficulty. Even simple things, sometimes someone forgets and calls me 'Sir' even though I'm dressed up to the nines, and whenever I call my bank I have to go through endless security questions just to speak to someone. Relationships, even friendships are few and far between because very few are genuinely interested in having even a friend who is transgendered. It would appear that more people want to come into my life, but these are people who are curious, who maybe want to find out what it's like to be with someone transgendered, they need a second option, they think I am some sort of experiment, they want some domestic work doing, or so on. Many times people have said they want to meet, they want to get to know me, or they want to start a friendship and relationship, but they don't mean it, and taking them at their word I start to believe and trust them, only to find out later that it was only words and good intentions, or they do, and then when they lose interest they drop me just like the proverbial cigarette butt or sweet wrapper, and I'm left to pick up the pieces.

But then again, am I really all that different from everyone else? And do not other people share the same experiences here?

You know I always recall a programme I once heard on radio about a mother and her son who was losing his hearing. He was going to be deaf. His mother gave him the choice that he could either accept it and accept the limitations of being deaf, or he would have to try harder. I think of this programme quite often, and know that yes, this is a sort of handicap for me, but all I can do is try harder, and this is what I do in actual fact - try harder.

Now I could focus on all the people who have let me down or not followed through but this would make me miserable and depressed and it would also take me down the path of undermining my self-esteem and self-confidence, not to mention arouse feelings of anger and resentment. Or I could just let it go, accept that some people just can't or won't follow through, for whatever reason, and instead concentrate on those that do, which is pretty much what I do anyway. Things took a great leap forward when I realised that many of my gender issues weren't really my issues, but social issues connected with gender and sexual orientation and that the cross I was carrying was way too heavy for me to carry.

I have come across a guy even who claims to be able to tell from looking at any photo whether a woman is a naturally born woman or transgendered. He's made it his hobby. But this is how I see people who are trying to spot fakes and wannabes, it's such a pointless exercise. You are going to encounter such people anyway, but why waste all that time and energy in trying to work out whether someone is wasting your time and energy? I just see it as pointless.

I mean when you think about it it's the people who matter who only really matter. The rest don't. This is why I posted earlier that I only really look for the positive in people because I find that people treat you the way you treat them, and if you look for the positive in those people they tend to respond likewise. One of my reasons for coming here to these boards is that I do feel accepted, and understood, and liked and loved by different people, some of who I'm probably never going to meet. But this isn't the point, the point is that I've taken a step in the right direction, that this place always exists and that the same people are here. There are friendships which have formed as a result of being here and some of those friendships have got to real time, and therefore I feel that sooner or later the rest will come with time. All it takes is a bit of patience.


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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/20/2008 10:34:27 PM   
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as usual...

*applauds Stella*

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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/21/2008 2:01:45 AM   
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Experience is less important than wisdom, and you gain wisdom by processing experiences in a constructive, useful way.



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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/21/2008 2:19:12 AM   
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I kinda felt like a "wannabe" this morning... I have been waiting for my collar for a VERY long time now, and I finally got it.... bt this morning, I had to take it off.... My allergies were so bad, that I felt like I was suffocating.... It felt like it was too tight...

Feeling like I wasn't good enough isn't a good feeling.... I would never tell anyone that they are a "wannabe" and risk hurting thier feelings... I am a submissive, but I tend to tell Sweets what to do (in a playful kind of way).... He does things for me, and I do things for Him... He doesn't exactly order me around... and I don't exactly kneel at His {Nasty hobbit} feet.... Does that make us BOTH "wannabes"?  I don't think it does... We know what works for US... That doesn't mean that it works for everyone... Before Sweets and I got together, I hated how He always talked about sex... it was annoying... (And yes, he knows this.. lol) But Now, I am the one that brings it up more... He hasn't changed anything... So, see, Just because it's not something that YOU want, doesn't mean that SOMEONE out there doesn't think that they will be the PERFECT one for them...  So, I don't think that anyone is a wanna be.... Maybe someone wants to just be a bedroom subby, or Dom.... and not have ANYTHING like that in R/L.... Someone will find that is exactly what they want... Don't knock anyone.... Besides, I'm sure that YOU weren't always the wonderful and perfect one when you first got into the lifestyle....

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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/21/2008 6:08:09 AM   
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Dear Stella41b
I am blown away with your honesty and post... as a Mistress of two who were not born their gender I know that a lot of  your experiences are similar to what they have gone through, that does not make it any easier nor better knowing one is not alone when those that have walked similar paths are not close to say go get a cup of tea and chat but if ever you wish to have a virtual cup of tea and chat .. please take us up on our invitation.
From the bottom of my heart please accept my apology for the original post... I honestly thought it would be fun to come up with a list much like a *you might be a redneck* list for whatever postition in this lifestyle and I was sure that subs/slaves/bottom had their own list that would be different than the perspective of myself and those in similar position .. I did not think how this could be taken in a negative way or twisted to hurt so many people... lesson learned and goodness I wish I could do it differently,the bottom line .. I didn't think .... I apologize .
  You are correct about looking for the positive and not focusing on the negative and I have to say you are a beautiful person from all I can see inside and out and so brave as well ...you are a wonderful human who I am sure makes the lives of those around you a blessed one.
 

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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/21/2008 12:42:42 PM   
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Stella sent me a message this morning from her phone.  We were chatting last night and she just went poof.  Her computer broke down and although she fixed it, the keyboard went down too. (I don't think it ever worked right and the two may have nothing to do with the other.) She can't come and respond to anyone that post's.  I don't know how long it will be until she is back.  I will step out a bit here and risk her frown... but she is spending all she has getting next weeks play going and I am not sure she can afford another keyboard because of her other expenses and add that to time factors, we may not see Stella for a few.

JoyfulMistress, I am sure Stella will treasure your comments!

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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/21/2008 1:05:54 PM   
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I don`t consider anyone a wannabe...now dickheads? Thats another thing =L=
 
Online may all they will ever get to experience...
 
Who am I to judge...anyone...

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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/23/2008 7:12:58 PM   
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*Quietly pulls out his soap box, adding a podium and a microphone, getting ready for his speech*
Well here goes.  I'm sure I'm going to make a lot of enemies with this post, but hey, we gotta say what we feel.
It is very difficult to label someone a "wannabe" in a society that encourages anything that is "consensual".  I know the term is "Safe, Sane, Consensual"  But I purposefully left out the other two because a lot of things people do in this lifestyle (or this conglomeration of lifestyles we call BDSM) is not relatively safe (even though you can take steps to make dangerous play as safe as possible, there are still outstanding risks) and not sane.  Seeing as sanity is a very subjective term, I am referring to the DSM4 (Diagnostic statistical manual, ver. 4) Which is, for those who dont know, what psychologists/psychiatrists use to diagnose their patients. But, before I get off topic I will continue. 
However, the deeper you get into the individual lifestyles, the more able we are to point out the 'wanna be's (while 'wannabe is a harsh word, perhaps these are just those who are looking for what they desire in the wrong place)  For example.  A slave who has a bad habit of being 'bratty' or trying to top from the bottom could be called a wanna be, but that would be understandable and maybe even accepted in a D/s relationship.  And someone who just likes the sexual aspect of BDSM would fit under "bottom" better than "submissive".  I think that, at least in BDSM as a whole.  A wanna be is someone who claims they are one thing, but shows the behaviorisms of another (explained further blow).
I find it very important for people to have a 'wanna-be' list, if only to keep themselves from getting in a relationship that could be damaging to them.  For example, a strict, demanding, sadistic Master whom has an emotional soft spot refers to himself as a Daddy Dom because he is a little confused on where he belongs.  A submissive looking for the daddy dom type falls for this man, they get into play, and he naturally starts pulling her around by the hair, calling her names, ect.  Which, for some, excites them.  But this poor girl isnt getting the TLC with the firm but caring hand she needs, which is not healthy for her.  I would gladly call this man a 'wanna be' because he's pretending to be something he's not.  As stella pointed out in her post, sometimes it is a long, difficult journey until you find your nitch in the world.  If the girl in my story had a wannabe list, perhaps she could have noted the behaviors of the Man and red flagged them as "strict Master" instead of "caring Daddy Dom"
Also, I had noticed a lot of people getting offended by statements made in this discussion.  Thats bullshit, especially for a lifestyle that is pretty much based on "different strokes for different folks".  Isnt this a place for people, who have completely different ideas and lifestyles, to stand together dispite their differences?  My best friends are in a homosexual relationship together.  I made it very clear that I dont agree with their choice, but I believe its their choice to make, and not mine.  I respect them as people and respect their choice, and they respect me and dont demand that I believe what they believe.  We all have different opinions, and we should accept that, instead of getting offended that someones opinions or beliefs disagree with ours.
In conclusion (I know, finally) We all should have a 'wanna be' list, no matter what position you are in.  Especially since BDSM is a spawning ground for predators.  Broken relationships hurt.  No matter how much you care about someone, if you arent compatable, it will just tear you both apart.  So be your own best friend.  Make a list of things you know you ARENT looking for.  If you know that being smacked around crushes your self esteem, but "sadistic" on your wannabe list.  If you are one of those Men who need full, complete, unwavering control, Perhaps "bratty sub" should be on your list.  As for being offended.  We are all adults here (if you arent, please leave now) so lets try to act like it, understand that people arent here to insult you.  They are here to find their own way, and that way probably is completely different than your way

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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/24/2008 1:55:43 AM   
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i will say this, not all the things You listed case a wanna be? Sure You haven't accepted them into Your life, they may be new to the lifestyle, telling You, 'I want to be at your feet serving you as You want and wish Mistress, your beauty is radiant and shocking and i want nothing more then to savor it by knowing everything that pleases you.'  This to me sounds like an attempt to be with You, and want to be a part of Your life. (yes the genatel thing is a bogus venture,) some people express the way they feel about another differently.

The only complaint i have is when someone messages me and does not read my profile! i make it perfectly clear that i am  taken and what i am looking for, it seems some Doms don't always see that and message me for the sole purpose of finding Their one. However, there are others that are amazing and i truely enjoy talking with them and sharing my experiances and ideas with =) (sadly however i have yet to meet any in my area to have an orginized much with... but thats a different rant!)

If someone messages me with the idea that they want to cyber i simply don't respond but there are some people out there that like that a lot, and it is not for me to message them or blog about how much i dislike it rather just leave it alone and they will already know how i feel about it by my lack of response.

Anyway, it was a good question all the same. =)

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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/24/2008 8:40:36 PM   
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There is someone for everyone here, and girl agrees with NewnImproved perspective of what has been followed on this thread.
Also agree with the premise that such forum as this is a breeding ground for predators. Not everyone is of course, some of us know what we want, some of us are here to have questions answered.
Girl has always done as others have directed, months from now, that will all be gone and it scares the hell out of me. Do you honestly think that me as an individual likes that idea. Hell No!
Is girl asking questions? Damn right girl is.
Is girl going to step on a few toes in doing so and breaking a few eggs along the way? Of Course!
This is my life and girl is scared.
There might be other submissives or want-to-be slaves in the forum that are wanting the same thing. The world scares the hell out of them, because serving another dominant and following the direction of that dominant is all they no. Individuals on here may not like that idea, they might even consider that girl or boy a wannabe. Are they? Are you sure? They just might be the real thing? How do would anyone know? The signs are there, but are they really? It may be that the individual that is being perceived as a wannabe might be more scared of you than you are, that they are wannabe?
Thankfully, with everyone so worried about the wannabes, re-examining the shadows, girl managed to find someone that decided to take a chance with girl. It might only be for a few weeks, but the fact that Miss has chosen girl. No fear for a while. Who knows, when its time for girl to relocate it will be with Miss. Girl is certainly willing but even girl has to agree with Miss its too early to tell. Keeping my options open, nothing is ever definite. Girl only has hope.
Really do think people should stop pointing fingers, Who's what and Who's not?

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RE: What makes a wannabe in your eyes - 11/24/2008 9:11:32 PM   
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I have a sub who is about to receive further training as a sub (the person in the pic) while I, the Domme in the relationship, will be subbing while receiving further training as a Domme.  I had wannabes who claimed to be a sub who did not do a dang thing and I divorced the sucker when he attempted to abuse me.  Wannabes can be Doms and subs who use their position for geniune abuse and called it as a D/s relationship.

Luckily my sub knows not to top me unless I feel it is necessary to do so.  Right now, I am babying him due to a near diabetic coma situation during the weekend.  When he is better, I will assume the Domme role until we get to our new Master and Mistress in the next week.

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