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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 7:40:18 AM   
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There are plenty of guns and men to use them and body bags filled and to be filled.

A little effort at peace and settling the Kashmir problem would go a long way.Maybe farther than war has.

I would be surprised if a multipronged approach of war/military,as well as peace efforts will be part of Obama`s foreign policy.

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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 7:56:04 AM   
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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 8:42:49 AM   
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A little effort at peace and settling the Kashmir problem would go a long way.Maybe farther than war has.

The "Kashimir problem" is a more intractable problem than the Palestinians, and you seriously expect "a little effort at peace" to make it go away?

With both sides having conducted nuclear weapons tests to intimidate the other--don't forget that.

It would be nice if everyone would just gather 'round the campfire and sing Kum-bay-yah, but, as there's not nearly enough weed in the world to make that happen, reality, prudence, and a desire to keep on living dictates a somewhat more muscular handling of evil in the world.


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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 8:48:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		And what's your solution CL, WWIII?

America can't solve Iraq with force, it can't solve Afghanistan with force so is it going to be third time lucky in Pakistan? Doh!

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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 8:50:49 AM   
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And what's your solution CL, WWIII?

America can't solve Iraq with force, it can't solve Afghanistan with force so is it going to be third time lucky in Pakistan? Doh!

In Mumbai, my solution would be Delta Force, SEAL teams, with a standing order that only the hostages come out alive.  Then find their base camps, send Delta Force and SEAL teams in with similar instructions.

Folks want to deal in death, indulge them to the hilt.  It's the only courteous thing to do.


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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 8:51:14 AM   
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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 9:01:15 AM   
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And what's your solution CL, WWIII?

America can't solve Iraq with force, it can't solve Afghanistan with force so is it going to be third time lucky in Pakistan? Doh!

In Mumbai, my solution would be Delta Force, SEAL teams, with a standing order that only the hostages come out alive.  Then find their base camps, send Delta Force and SEAL teams in with similar instructions.

Folks want to deal in death, indulge them to the hilt.  It's the only courteous thing to do.



Talk sense man, most of the hostages were dead before the Indian forces arrived and what makes you think that American speacial forces are better than Indian special forces, chauvanism?

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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 9:02:33 AM   
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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 9:02:40 AM   
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Let them watch their own backyards and after they all kill each other off, then we can go in and have complete control


Jeez....
Why bother.

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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 9:18:37 AM   
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This i truely horrific, and what is worse to me is that ther are pages and pages on here about politics and the economy and only one thread about this. Does the geography of the attack make it less significant?


yes. an attack that kills a hundred people I don't know is less significant than an attack that kills all of my family, friends, and loved ones.



I am sorry that all of your friends, family and loved ones have been killed in an attack. I was more talking about the fact that everyone was horried by 9/11 myself included, it was all over the news, on every channel, this not so much.

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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 9:21:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		why bother is right, 9/11 might not have even happened if we had kept better track of who gets in the country.  The terrorist were supposed to be in school and weren't, and wanted to learn how to fly a plane but not land it? gimme a break lol. Bring our soldiers home, protect our borders. Then what would the "enemy" do? Come 5000 miles in rowboats and throw stones? Seeing as how they're determined to kill each other off anyway, that's all they'll have left

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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 9:23:37 AM   
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Talk sense man, most of the hostages were dead before the Indian forces arrived and what makes you think that American speacial forces are better than Indian special forces, chauvanism?

American special forces are the ones of which I know the caliber and quality.  You asked for "my" solution.  No chauvinism, but basic tactical reality--you go with the ones you know can do the job. 

If Indian commando teams carry out the mission, that works just as well, if not better.  So long as only hostages come out alive, and terrorists come out dead, it's still a mission accomplished.


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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 9:37:26 AM   
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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 9:42:54 AM   
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Talk sense man, most of the hostages were dead before the Indian forces arrived and what makes you think that American speacial forces are better than Indian special forces, chauvanism?

American special forces are the ones of which I know the caliber and quality.  You asked for "my" solution.  No chauvinism, but basic tactical reality--you go with the ones you know can do the job. 



I guess thats why bin Laden is still laughing his head off'. Right?

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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 9:50:25 AM   
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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 9:55:50 AM   
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I guess thats why bin Laden is still laughing his head off'. Right?

Don't know that I've heard him laughing too much lately.

I've read estimates that put al-Qaida at less than 100 people.  bin Laden isn't the visible virtual voice of jihad he was in 2001.  His grand scheme to change the world is an abysmal failure, while he cowers in some cave far removed from the world.

While bin Laden's head on a pike paraded around Times Square would be viscerally satisfying, I seriously doubt that it would have been nearly as effective at reducing and ultimately defeating al-Qaida as marginalizing him and sending him running to the hills with his tail between his legs has been.

Don't assume that bin Laden's success at evading capture is entirely due to his resourcefulness.  Given the huge downside to capturing or killing him outright, it is distinctly possible no one's really putting much effort into hunting him down.


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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 10:01:38 AM   
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I guess thats why bin Laden is still laughing his head off'. Right?

Don't know that I've heard him laughing too much lately.

I've read estimates that put al-Qaida at less than 100 people.  bin Laden isn't the visible virtual voice of jihad he was in 2001.  His grand scheme to change the world is an abysmal failure, while he cowers in some cave far removed from the world.

While bin Laden's head on a pike paraded around Times Square would be viscerally satisfying, I seriously doubt that it would have been nearly as effective at reducing and ultimately defeating al-Qaida as marginalizing him and sending him running to the hills with his tail between his legs has been.

Don't assume that bin Laden's success at evading capture is entirely due to his resourcefulness.  Given the huge downside to capturing or killing him outright, it is distinctly possible no one's really putting much effort into hunting him down.



bin Laden's objective is terrorism. He is a nihilist. Death is his business. In his own words 'We love death, Americans love life.'  The more America makes war, the more people get killed, the more people blame America, the more bin Laden achieves his aim, which is more killing. The rightwing is so much in love with death itself, it is too blind to see it is helping bin Laden to achieve his goal. Mayhem and anarchy.

After eight years of futile aggression you think that rightwingers would have got the message by now. Their tactics don't work because they don't understand their enemy.

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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 12:26:04 PM   
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And what's your solution CL, WWIII?

America can't solve Iraq with force, it can't solve Afghanistan with force so is it going to be third time lucky in Pakistan? Doh!

In Mumbai, my solution would be Delta Force, SEAL teams, with a standing order that only the hostages come out alive.  Then find their base camps, send Delta Force and SEAL teams in with similar instructions.

Folks want to deal in death, indulge them to the hilt.  It's the only courteous thing to do.



Basically,more war.And war begets war and so on and on and on.

We`ve had enough of the one way highway and adding gasoline to the fires.

Bush`s soviet style/way of doing things has been as much a failure for us as it was for the soviet union.

We`ll see a reasoned approach and make peace with who we can  and where we can,and also go after bin-laden and other criminals ,unlike Bush.

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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 12:34:27 PM   
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We`ll see a reasoned approach

Kowtowing and servile submission to terrorists is never a reasoned approach.  Might as well congratulate them on the success of their terror tactics--if you are going to hand them victory, that would be the only generous thing to do.

They want to reason with guns.  Very well, let us reason with guns.  If they want to stop reasoning with guns, then let us reason by other means.  Until then, let us reason with guns.  If that means sending a few hundred or a few thousand of them to Paradise, so be it. 

They chose war; let their consequence be death.


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RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured - 11/29/2008 1:14:59 PM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_india_shooting;_ylt=AkfJsBA.LRhiDBMIPBsrOhSs0NUE

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The bloody rampage carried out by suspected Muslim militants at 10 sites across Mumbai, the nation's financial capital formerly known as Bombay, killed at least 195 people and wounded 295. Among the dead were 18 foreigners, including six Americans.


For any thinking this was an attack targeting "Westerners" or "Americans", either the stats tell a different story or these militants were amazingly bad at target acquisition.

I do not claim to know what motivated these thugs to go on their rampage, but one thing seems reasonably clear:  they wanted to kill Indians, plus anyone else who just happened to be around.


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