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Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 8:46:01 AM   
sunshinemiss


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I have been informed that I will no longer be permitted to go into sub space when we play.  They seem to enjoy the little eeps and oochies and nonsense that come out of my mouth when I'm kept fully aware.  I'll be allowed to beg for sub space on special occasions *like leap day ahem. 

Anyone else in this situation?  Any thoughts?

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 8:47:40 AM   
aravain


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Status: offline 		*blink* How are they planning on keeping you out of sub space? Hit you for a minute or two then leave you alone? *boggles*

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 8:48:53 AM   
eri


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Status: offline 		How do they expect you to not go into subspace? Are they going to adjust their actions so you simply never go that deep or what? I mean, for me ... It just happens. I can't make myself go over that edge, nor have I ever been successful in not going over that edge if the Dominant was doing all the right things.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 8:50:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lol..there are other ways.... my previous Master used to ask me questions and make me answer them in detail to make sure i remained focused on what was going on and to not allow me to "slip" away.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 8:52:02 AM   
eri


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Status: offline 		That would annoy me and eventually turn me off to scening with him.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 8:53:18 AM   
mistoferin


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Status: offline 		Sir will keep me out of subspace for as long as he wants...and sometimes he won't let me go there at all. (Yes, an experienced Top is very capable of doing that) If he told me that I would never be allowed to go there though, well, to be really honest that is not a dynamic that would meet my needs.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 8:56:13 AM   
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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 8:56:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well honestly it was frustrating...however, he mainly did that only during discipline so it was to be expected.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 8:58:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm... that wouldn't stop me from reaching it *laugh* I tend to get more articulate and wildly verbose and detailed...

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 8:58:47 AM   
eri


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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 9:00:51 AM   
sensualimpulse


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Status: offline 		Lol.. it never hit me to actually try not to stay out of sub space after that..lol... i was so blown away by staying focused to answer the questions...they weren't basic questions and if the answer wasn't good enough i was reprimanded.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 9:03:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		off topic... does anyone know how to change that darn "vanilla" logo by my pic?  I hate it!

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 9:03:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sensualimpulse

Well honestly it was frustrating...however, he mainly did that only during discipline so it was to be expected.


I can't imagine why subspace would ever be allowed during discipline....although admittedly I'm not an expert on discipline as it's not ever been a part of any relationship I've ever been in.

< Message edited by mistoferin -- 11/30/2008 9:04:03 AM >

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 9:05:49 AM   
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off topic... does anyone know how to change that darn "vanilla" logo by my pic?  I hate it!



Read this:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_117979/tm.htm

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 9:05:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is not often that Alandra and I are allowed to sub-space through play.  He prefers us to be fully present and cognizant of what is going on.  Pain is what he is after and if we are off in la-la land then it is less satisfying for him.  Usually towards the end of play, he will let us drift off and enjoy.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 9:07:27 AM   
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Usually towards the end of play, he will let us drift off and enjoy.


That's pretty much the same here....but he wants a whole lot of hurting before we get there.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 9:08:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		That wouldn't work well for me.  I'd start to resent it and so on and so on until the "relationship" was beyond repair.  Actually, I'd just put an end to it, but that's just me.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 9:13:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: eri
I mean, for me ... It just happens. I can't make myself go over that edge, nor have I ever been successful in not going over that edge if the Dominant was doing all the right things.


The last part is key.  If a top can learn what the "right things" are that sends you there, then they can learn what the "wrong things" are that won't send you there.  I don't see it as a matter of right/wrong type of play.  I see nothing wrong with doing things to keep a bottom out of sub-space; it is just a different way to enjoy play.

For me, certain types of pain inflicted in just the right way gets me fully present and feeling every little fucking thing.  That pain usually drops me to my knees as well.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 9:17:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		He doesn't allow me to go deep. He wants me there with him responding to him, not in a happy dream of my own.

I miss it but do get it sometimes when we have no time constraints. Then he'll leave me tied up and allow me to float for half an hour after he's done.

As far as not letting me? Unexpected pinches, sharp stings on very sensitive spots, talking to me and demanding a response. It's easy enough to do.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 9:21:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists
Usually towards the end of play, he will let us drift off and enjoy.


That's pretty much the same here....but he wants a whole lot of hurting before we get there.


Exactly.  It is all part of playing with a sadist.  My pleasure isn't going to fulfill those sadistic desires.  Of course there is this kind of perverse pleasure out of knowing that I have pleased him by not enjoying what he has done.

Our last play, there was no physical pleasure for me.  Staples, pony tail holders and fish weights are a recipe for torment for me.  He laughed throughout the whole thing while I alternately cried, cursed and begged.  Knowing that he had so much fun at my expense is where I found my pleasure.

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