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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 5:14:36 PM

persephonee

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see, now im gonna hafta perv you again...i perv people and get things in my head, then all that info gets whipped right out of my head.....got any links to threads on short term memory loss from regular and intense take down scenes?

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 7:48:40 PM

slaveluci

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida
When we were last together, he actually put my feet in his lap and relaxed himself by rubbing them while watching TV. I literally laughed and said, "Are you serious???"

I know! Lately I've had some real muscular problems and it seems like I'm tied in knots on my neck and shoulders. Master insists on rubbing them out for me, sometimes even massaging in Icy Hot and using the Dr. Scholl's vibrating massager to work them out. I know He's doing it because He desires to but I still feel so bad. I tell Him, "I should be massaging YOU! You don't have to do that." He says, "I KNOW I don't HAVE to. I want to." And He encourages me to relax and enjoy and Oh, it helps soooo much

. He has also rubbed my lower legs when I had terrible cramps in them that were keeping me from sleeping at night. It made me cry

because not only did it relieve my physical pain but it's just so damn nice to do for someone! He's not afraid of not being seen as "domly" enough if He deigns to help His property and I'm so thankful for that. Enjoy girl, you deserve it!

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. You hang in there and heal up fast.................luci

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 9:52:47 PM

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I get adrenaline highs, seratonin highs, all sorts of chemical and emotional highs from playing. Just not endorphins. Play doesn't just mean beatings. I'm not a masochist, I don't convert painful stimulations into pleasureable ones. But there's a huge huge world of play out there which involves no pain or beating or impact whatsoever. Read my kinks list on my profile and see just a few :)

Sounds a lot like me. I am not a masochist either. Pain feels like pain to me, and never goes into pleasure, unless it's nipple pain, which does have a direct effect on the lower regions. Anyone else not a masochist? Seems like many are.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 11/30/2008 9:56:12 PM

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Anyone else not a masochist? Seems like many are.

Not. I found myself having a strange sadistic streak, though. I loved the idea of him torturing, and even though I hated the sensations, the fact that he was actually doing that to me made me wild.

But then I'm an odd bird.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 2:55:30 AM

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i dont think all masochists necessarily convert pain automatically into pleasure
they enjoy being in pain, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it feels good =p
alot of stuff he does hurts, he's got really big hands and he's strong as heck, and add that to my overly sensitive nerve endings and i'm a crying mess in a very short time
but i enjoy the fact that it's happening =p and i like knowing that he's having a good time, and i like the idea that i'm somehow involved in him having said good time =p
being a masochist is a funny place to be because somtimes the stuff you like just DOESN'T feel good at all, but the fact that it doesnt feel good is what makes it feel good =p hence the merriam webster definition --

1 : a sexual perversion characterized by pleasure in being subjected to pain or humiliation especially by a love object — compare sadism
2 : pleasure in being abused or dominated : a taste for suffering

in my world, it wouldn't be "suffering," if it always got turned into pleasure

anyway gah, sorry for rambling

about being kept out of subspace, i can see a use for it. if he doesn't want you in dreamland because you stop responding the way he wants or whatever, and keeps you out of it sometimes, i think that could be useful. alot of people say that what they really like are the responses they get from whatever they're doing, and sometimes in subspace the responses go away.
are you being kept out of it indefnitely? =p

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 3:46:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

As I've long said "I love everything about pain play except the pain part"

Yes, that makes beatings "just beatings" to me but it means they are enjoying their sadism, knowing that I'm NOT enjoying it, that it's ACTUAL pain, knowing that I'm submitting and serving their desires and preferences, knowing that I've endured, knowing that I'll have marks to gloat over later, knowing he wants to play with me at all. You know, everything BUT the pain part.

I'm not a masochist, so I don't have that conflict a lot of masochists tend to have when they play with someone who isn't a service top or fluffy sadist. But it does mean I endure a lifetime of being told "You just haven't had it done RIGHT yet."

Wow thanks! I was getting to think I was the only sub on here who didn't enjoy pain! I endure it because I know it pleases my Mistress. For me the only pleasure part is hearing her praise for how long I can take it, and her aftercare when she decides it has been enough for one night.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 6:18:14 AM

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Hello Ladies,

Well, it's quite easy for us to keep the slave, once known as sunshine, out of subspace. Why do we? Because we "choose" to.

For us...that is enough said.

I wish you well,

Elizabeth

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 6:28:56 AM

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Hi nameless chicky, (They are taking a long time, aren't they? I'm committing a cardinal sin here cause I'm curious as hell!)

Hey there ishy - what sin are you committing?

I've gotta ask you something about this. If you are not allowed to float off to subspace when playing, how is the difference made between play and punishment?

Well, I haven't really been punished yet, but I expect punishment will be reallllly bad considering they were not pleased with me once and made me cry and release lots of emotions one night. It sure as heck FELT like punishment - rather like the wind chill factor. It was for release (36 degrees), felt like punishment (20 below). heh.

Is it just the intent that counts? Or does the fact that you enjoy play makes that the whip doesn't come out in punishment?

Well honey, when they play with me, it is fun and we are often laughing (they seem to love to sadistically tickle me - I HATE being tickled.) However, they never take me to the "bad place" of tickledom that I've been to in the past. It's the oddest thing. I don't want to be tickled, but I want to please them, so it doesn't really matter what they want to do. They have proven over and over that they will not take me to the "bad place" and have made it clear that they will not harm me. I try to relax into it. And ishy, darling.... play doesn't always mean a whip. If you are a good girl, maybe your Master will let you look at my Master's toy bag. I'd love to see if your eyes get as big as your curiosity.

Also, do you still enjoy play now that you are no longer off to subspace? Does the fact that they derive pleasure from it make up for lost endorphin highs?

I do love how happy it makes them. And I get a certain "high" from the pleasure of pleasing, and from all the release of emotions -- crying, laughing, etc.

Master has never played with me before.
He has never really forbidden me to go off to subspace during punishment, but I'm incredibly hard to get there and the way he does it doesn't leave any chance of even getting close to subspace.
I'm wondering now if he would allow me to go there should he ever chose to play with me, but him being his trustworthy self he is refusing to tell me...

I wish you well,

ishy

well wishes to you too ishalicious,
tgfka sunshine

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 6:40:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: ElizabethAnne
Well, it's quite easy for us to keep the slave, once known as sunshine, out of subspace. Why do we? Because we "choose" to.

For us...that is enough said.

Awww hell. It was hard enough to find ONE virgin to throw into a volcano. But apparently the gods were not pleased. Harrummmppphhh!!! *scampers off to find ANOTHER virgin while bowing to the east and saying a Hail Mary*

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 6:44:58 AM

ElizabethAnne

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Hello calif,

Here is hint - even 72 virgins wouldn't do it.

~grins~

Elizabeth

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 7:11:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: sexisubi

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ORIGINAL: aravain

*blink* How are they planning on keeping you out of sub space? Hit you for a minute or two then leave you alone? *boggles*

wtf? agree with above!

Hello sexisubi and aravain,

as far as how they do it? well hmmm, they ask me questions, they change things up a lot so there's no pattern, they don't do the thuddy, rhymic things I like and that can put me in sub space, and instead they do the stingy things that make me cringe and eep and ouch... and then the tickling, and they make me focus focus focus on not moving while they do what they do. They are very good at keeping me out of sub space.

Never doubt what a couple can do who are really in tune with each other and in tune with me and my responses.

And by the way, you might want to reign in that judgmental attitude there. It's not attractive. Not your kink? cool. But evidently it is the kink of a number of folks. Just saying.

well wishes,
sunshine

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 7:22:38 AM

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Keeping someone out of subspace is easy. Lower the temperature so it is cold, play music they dislike, wack them somewhere odd, say things that jar them. don't keep a rhythm, let them float up and down, keep a bag of ice handy.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 1:58:46 PM

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My Sir took me to the dungeon this past weekend, and used the single tail on me, and then the paddle. Neither of which take me to subspace. Infact the single tail is an ouchdamnfuckaduck thing for me. Hate it , wish he would give it away - but if he did, then i would feel as if i was in control and i don't want to be! I got no pleasure persay from the session - in fact i got angry and cried because i felt as if i was being punished, but if it was always the way i wanted it, i wouldn't feel as fufilled.

For my Sir to be able to take pleasure without regard to my wants and feelings means that he is in control. I am not topping from the bottom. I was worried that he would feel as if he was at risk for me leaving because he was hurting me without the pleasure, but no, i don't think so. He loves me and loves to hurt me, and if i don't get to subspace, then it is a deliberate choice on his part. He knows exactly what to do to take me to subspace, so if i get there it is something he is doing for me.

Actually, this past weekend was a reassurance to me that he wasn't allowing his love for me change how he asserts his dominance. I couldn't live with a wishy-washy lovey-dovey dominant. I want - nay, need the dominance, untainted by love. Ah - i am such a romantic!

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 2:27:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Hi everyone,
I have been informed that I will no longer be permitted to go into sub space when we play. They seem to enjoy the little eeps and oochies and nonsense that come out of my mouth when I'm kept fully aware. I'll be allowed to beg for sub space on special occasions *like leap day ahem.

Anyone else in this situation? Any thoughts?

well wishes,
*tgfkasunshine

Greetings sunshine the former,

I'm not allowed to enter subspace. He wants me present and responsive at all times. Scenes are not about me escaping reality, rather they are the harshest of realities that we share. He allows me to suffer for him, induces the painful reactions and expects me to communicate them fully to him. Like last night, after a long drawn out (heavenly) beating, to be turned over and have my legs spread and to watch, watch as his hand rose high above his head and came down, smack!, hard against my pussy, screaming pain, agony, orgasm, all for him. It was beautiful and had I been in subspace, I feel I would have missed so much of the experience.

That being said, we also do a lot of hypnosis, and since subspace is a trance, I go there frequently, just under a different set of circumstances.

I believe you are fortunate to have a Master and Mistress who expect you to experience things with them as my situation has been amazingly rewarding and I hope that you gain knowledge of self and them as you enter this new phase.

well wishes ~ fairer than she

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 2:46:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Hi everyone,
I have been informed that I will no longer be permitted to go into sub space when we play. They seem to enjoy the little eeps and oochies and nonsense that come out of my mouth when I'm kept fully aware. I'll be allowed to beg for sub space on special occasions *like leap day ahem.

Anyone else in this situation? Any thoughts?

well wishes,
*tgfkasunshine

I have never experienced sub space; and I am an extreme lover, and seeker of pain and more pain

Personally, I like being aware, feeling every hit, every bruise as it forms...feeling the sting from blood, or the burn that comes from salt being thrown on me...I much prefer being aware to being in 'sub-space'...it makes for so much more fun.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 3:46:00 PM

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Sir seldom lets me experience sub-space. Though i do enjoy it, we both know i can become addicted to it.

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 6:14:39 PM

MasterTslave

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Master T does that every so often...he will have me look him in the eye and maintain eye contact with Him. It helps me to stay with him and not got into my own little world..I like to stay with him and not get out of it...I really get upset when I get to the point that I am not in control anymore...make sense?

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 7:32:25 PM

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I wasn't trying to say something was unattractive or anything similar

Subspace, for me, is something that's unavoidable. If pain is involved, it's where I go, which was why I asked. I didn't know that focusing was a way for some people to stay OUT of subspace (and, actually, my experience is the opposite). As a whole I have a tendency to babble, and so asking me questions wouldn't change anything, for me, except what that babbling was about.

It's an interesting thought, play without subspace... I know I'd still *enjoy* myself, but would I get AS MUCH enjoyment is the question.

Then again others will point out it's not always about my enjoyment, which is true enough

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 9:34:34 PM

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All forms of pain?

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RE: Non-sub space play - 12/1/2008 9:51:21 PM

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Any that aren't hard limits, yep. (Hard limits where the pain does nothing for me includes needles, temporary piercings, things like that.)

And they aren't hard limits because they're painful... they're hard limits because I'm terrified to death of them (trauma, and things like that :|). That's probably what causes me not to 'go there' more than the type of pain anyways.

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