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ORIGINAL: trealeon

Wow... this thread is still going... look what you started Lockit!

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ORIGINAL: trealeon

I'm just glad I got my 2 cents in early.

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ORIGINAL: Rover

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ORIGINAL: agirl

It's a poetic, romantic notion.along with.........

I'll die without you.
I have finally discovered true love-you.
I will go with you to the ends of the world as long as you keep loving me.
Time stops when you hold me in your arms.

It's all good stuff....lol

agirl

Precisely!!  And far too often, the "poets" are left to spew unopposed.
 
John

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ORIGINAL: Rover

Without engaging you in a lengthy debate over what you wrote and/or meant... welcome back to the reservation.
 
John

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ORIGINAL: Rover

Without engaging you in a lengthy debate over what you wrote and/or meant... welcome back to the reservation.
 
John

John, he didn't leave the "reservation" you simply distorted what he was saying into absurdity.  Nobody is arguing that you can make a short woman tall but considering the heated protestations here over things as simple and reasonable as "I want you to lose weight" and "I want you to stop your addiction" I think this is all very much in the real of the possible.  The fact that many don't have the chops to make it happen and not all submissives are willing to surrender that much control in no way detracts from the fact that this sort of molding takes place all the time.  Another act of molding would be making someone truly embrace being poly, that is certainly molding and while it is often done poorly and we see the mistakes listed here quite often, that is certainly and area of molding another that does occur and I think many would say that is a fairly major change.   Certain sex acts I think would fall under this catagory, turning someone into a toilet or craving ass-to-mouth play would be a huge limit for some, that said, there are people I know who have not just gotten someone to perform those acts (from the point of being hard limits) but have been successful in getting people to actively fantisize and crave them as a fully internalized fetish.

Again, the wreckage on this path is considerable, the skeletons of fantasy and dashed dreams along it are intimidating but there are those who have gotten through to the other side to show this can and is something quite doable, it just isn't common.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Again, the wreckage on this path is considerable, the skeletons of fantasy and dashed dreams along it are intimidating but there are those who have gotten through to the other side to show this can and is something quite doable, it just isn't common.

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ORIGINAL: Stroke

"Mold me. Make me whatever you want me to be."

And this is what I scoff at.  Please explain how this is possible.  Don't prattle on about wanting to be so submissive as if all it takes is desire.  Tell me how one person can be made into whatever someone else wants, regardless of whatever limitations may exist for their own capabilities.
 
John

Oftentimes people SAY  *Mould me. Make me whatever you want me to be* but it's usually folowed by the unspoken * as long as I want the same*.

I ALSO would like to be what M wants me to be ......... because he wants me to be what *I* want.

For all that's been said ....... the word conjures up images for people that either cause distain, contented acceptance or nothing much at all. It's just a word........but like many words, it gets loaded with emotional connotations.

You can only develop into what is possible......you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, no matter how much you want it..Dom or sub.

It's a poetic, romantic notion.along with.........

I'll die without you.
I have finally discovered true love-you.
I will go with you to the ends of the world as long as you keep loving me.
Time stops when you hold me in your arms.

It's all good stuff....lol

agirl

Maybe a more realistic thng to say would be Mold me and help me be the things you want.
These kind of statements are wrong to use. Mean what you say or don't say it.. Don't leave it up to others to figure out what you mean by that. Sure it's romantic, but it's also lip service and I'd rather have the truth. Don't tell me you'll be wth me forever..tell me you want to be with me forever. There's a difference and it's still romantic.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

John, he didn't leave the "reservation" you simply distorted what he was saying into absurdity. 

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Nobody is arguing that you can make a short woman tall but considering the heated protestations here over things as simple and reasonable as "I want you to lose weight" and "I want you to stop your addiction" I think this is all very much in the real of the possible. 

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The fact that many don't have the chops to make it happen and not all submissives are willing to surrender that much control in no way detracts from the fact that this sort of molding takes place all the time. 

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Another act of molding would be making someone truly embrace being poly, that is certainly molding and while it is often done poorly and we see the mistakes listed here quite often, that is certainly and area of molding another that does occur and I think many would say that is a fairly major change.   Certain sex acts I think would fall under this catagory, turning someone into a toilet or craving ass-to-mouth play would be a huge limit for some, that said, there are people I know who have not just gotten someone to perform those acts (from the point of being hard limits) but have been successful in getting people to actively fantisize and crave them as a fully internalized fetish.

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Again, the wreckage on this path is considerable, the skeletons of fantasy and dashed dreams along it are intimidating but there are those who have gotten through to the other side to show this can and is something quite doable, it just isn't common.

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Again, the wreckage on this path is considerable, the skeletons of fantasy and dashed dreams along it are intimidating but there are those who have gotten through to the other side to show this can and is something quite doable, it just isn't common.

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I wouldn't even say *help me be the things you want*....because I want to be what *I* want. I wouldn't BE with someone that wanted to make me what THEY wanted. It doesn't interest me in the least.

The point I was making is that it goes awry when people aren't talking the same language. It does seem a little OTT to be suggesting in initial mails or interaction that you want to be *moulded* ......before you know who the hell you're asking to DO the moulding. It's the kind of language that only works when both people have the same phrasebook.

Romantic language has it's place, that's why we like songs and lyrics, poetry and prose.

I don't EVER hear any of it in regards to me, mind you...lol.

agirl

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Okay fine people can't be molded into the impossible but can be into the possible, now you can play among yourselves as to the meaning of possible.  Care to actually list what you feel are things that cannot be possible, not the outlyers but those things that you feel are close to being possible but lie just across the divide?

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Maybe I'm mistaken, but he meant welcome back to CM I think.

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I wouldn't even say *help me be the things you want*....because I want to be what *I* want. I wouldn't BE with someone that wanted to make me what THEY wanted. It doesn't interest me in the least.

The point I was making is that it goes awry when people aren't talking the same language. It does seem a little OTT to be suggesting in initial mails or interaction that you want to be *moulded* ......before you know who the hell you're asking to DO the moulding. It's the kind of language that only works when both people have the same phrasebook.

Romantic language has it's place, that's why we like songs and lyrics, poetry and prose.

I don't EVER hear any of it in regards to me, mind you...lol.

agirl

Well I try to find females that fit me as close as possible..and I mean pretty close. Yet I have seen things in a female that I wasn't fond of and I thought could use some work.So I set up ways to change those habits, attitudes or what have you. I do the same with myself.

I wouldn't want a person that was me me me either. There are those who would agree that they didn't want to be with someone who wanted them to be something for them, those would be the first to have an attitude when the first hint of change is brought up.

The bottom line is, I'm in charge and if I decide there are things that you need to work on..then you need to work on them. If you don't trust me to make decisions that are best for Us, Me and you then we don't need to be together.

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Okay fine people can't be molded into the impossible but can be into the possible, now you can play among yourselves as to the meaning of possible.  Care to actually list what you feel are things that cannot be possible, not the outlyers but those things that you feel are close to being possible but lie just across the divide?

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ORIGINAL: agirl

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Okay fine people can't be molded into the impossible but can be into the possible, now you can play among yourselves as to the meaning of possible.  Care to actually list what you feel are things that cannot be possible, not the outlyers but those things that you feel are close to being possible but lie just across the divide?

That's a bit of a silly question as half the possible things for one person would be impossible for another.....or might be possible with a certain person being the moulder and perhaps not another person.

agirl

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That's kinda stretching it. I bet there's a good long list of things that everybody could do just don't want to.

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Okay fine people can't be molded into the impossible but can be into the possible, now you can play among yourselves as to the meaning of possible.  Care to actually list what you feel are things that cannot be possible, not the outlyers but those things that you feel are close to being possible but lie just across the divide?

Michael, I have no interest in developing some kind of list of possible and impossible definitions of molding.  That would be like developing a list of SSC and non-SSC B/D and S/M activitities.  It simply cannot be done because it is so reliant upon the individual.

My only purpose in taking issue here was to recognize that "molding to whatever a Dominant desires" is not possible for the very reason that it ignores the abilities and limitations of the submissive/slave.  And having done that, I can sleep soundly tonight.  :)
 
John