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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/5/2008 6:46:56 AM   
SomethingCatchy


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Status: offline 		I have a boy who is over 6 ft tall and about 200 lbs. He works on jet engines and something in my gut does a little floppy dance every time he "makes a muscle". I just eat it up and find it incredibly intoxicating when he's on his knees in front of me. I'm pretty average and fairly weak and having the power I do over him always sends thrills and shivers down my spine. We can have some of the most amazing, deep, intelligent conversations I've ever had and I love that, too. I enjoy having a lot in common with him, and I enjoy watching him think, reason, and come to conclusions.

I've known men who are brawny but seriously lacked some common sense (which = intelligence to me). For the most part I'm attracted to scrawny pale guys with large brains, though.

I think with my boy, I've found the perfect mix. I never knew having someone who could literally break every rib if he doesn't watch how hard he hugs me could be such an amazing thing.

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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/5/2008 8:40:17 AM   
ShaktiSama


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Status: offline 		Yeah, I don't really have anything negative to say about any man's body per se--any body type can be attractive and sexy if there's an attractive person inside it.  I would agree that there is a tendency to de-value and stigmatize female power in fem-dom porn, though, which I would say might be slightly more prevalent than the analogous tendency in man-dom porn.

I think this element meets the need for humiliation of the sub in the target audience, but female dominant artists might tend to create that sense of humiliation in more creative ways, if they were scripting and directing it themselves.  A woman's fantasy need to humiliate men seldom expresses itself in exactly the same ways as a man's fantasy need to be humiliated by women.


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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/5/2008 10:31:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I don't really have anything negative to say about any man's body per se
 
That's very encouraging to hear, Shakti.  Hopefully, one day, our minds will one day catch up and receive your equally warm approval!

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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/5/2008 5:50:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		So what a lot of dommes here are saying is that instead of the 'Wimpy' type of submissive male, they would much prefer the 'Burger King' type of submissive male, i.e. one which comes with a 'Whopper'?

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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/5/2008 5:51:21 PM   
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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/5/2008 6:02:41 PM   
ShaktiSama


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So what a lot of dommes here are saying is that instead of the 'Wimpy' type of submissive male, they would much prefer the 'Burger King' type of submissive male, i.e. one which comes with a 'Whopper'?


My favorite comment on this notion was a scene in the HBO series "Rome", when one patrician woman was bedecking a male slave to send as a gift to another:  "Well of course a large penis is always welcome--!"


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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/5/2008 6:12:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I really don't care about their physical appearance, but the way they carry themselves.  I get email all the time about someone saying they are a wimp, or a doormat, and I'm thinking why do you think that's a turn on?

I've said it before I'll say it again....what a strong warrior, not someone who's afraid of his own shadow.  

There has to be a happy medium somewhere between wimp and jackass....lol

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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/5/2008 6:16:44 PM   
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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/5/2008 6:46:55 PM   
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It's more than just porn that promotes this image.  Numerous, numerous Domme profiles on this site, as well as those annoying male submissives promote the same thing. 


If it's any consolation, you annoy us too

Frankly, I see far more backlash against the stereotype than I do the actual stereotype. Doormat submales are the SUV drivers of the D/s world- if you wanna be in with the in crowd, you gotta lay on the haterade.


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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/5/2008 7:15:19 PM   
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It's more than just porn that promotes this image.  Numerous, numerous Domme profiles on this site, as well as those annoying male submissives promote the same thing. 


If it's any consolation, you annoy us too



Well your FACE annoys me.

I wish there was more backlash, because the actual stereotype seems is just overwhelmingly present at times.

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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/5/2008 7:17:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b
So what a lot of dommes here are saying is that instead of the 'Wimpy' type of submissive male, they would much prefer the 'Burger King' type of submissive male, i.e. one which comes with a 'Whopper'?


My favorite comment on this notion was a scene in the HBO series "Rome", when one patrician woman was bedecking a male slave to send as a gift to another:  "Well of course a large penis is always welcome--!"



Actually a line that always amused me, because I've always read that Romans found the small penis to be much more beautiful than a large one.

Which of course makes me wonder...  Did the Romans have large penis humiliation?

"Oh, your penis is so big and worthless.  I can't stand to look at it." --Roman Pro Domme, 23 BCE

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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/5/2008 7:28:16 PM   
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I wish there was more backlash, because the actual stereotype seems is just overwhelmingly present at times.


I wish people could be satisfied living their own lives, without feeling the need to backlash on other people trying to live theirs

And I wish I could fly. That would be cool.

Santa's prolly gonna screw me over again, tho Damned naughty list.


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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/5/2008 7:30:09 PM   
DVsFox


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Status: offline 		Don't worry, I'll put in a good word from you.  Saint Nick and I go way back. :-)

Seriously though, when I was talking about the stereotype, I meant there should be a backlash against people thinking that's how EVERYBODY is.  Just like there should be backlash anytime a stereotype is accepted as a norm, to clarify my statement a touch.

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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/5/2008 7:44:30 PM   
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If a man can't engage my mind and make me laugh and think, his physique is immaterial.


ditto.  i was once in love with a man who was about 100 pounds overweight  - because of those very things.  submissive too.
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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/6/2008 12:04:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have said since the begining of my journey into my Dominat side (which is why I am so blissfully happy right now.) Is that I don't want a doormat.  That is no fun.  But neither do I wnt to be fighting a mans ego all the time.  I have enought ego for the household I don't need another.  I know for a fact that it takes a very strong man of character to be able to deal with that.  I personally would rather have a sub be it male or female of character then not at all. 

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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/6/2008 5:26:04 AM   
ShaktiSama


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Actually a line that always amused me, because I've always read that Romans found the small penis to be much more beautiful than a large one.


Highly debateable, although I suppose "beautiful" is a highly subjective term and our only sources tend to be Classical authors who probably had small ones.  Archaeologically speaking, most every garden of Classical Greece and Rome came equipped with a statue of Priapus, and sometimes the god's penis was as thick as his waist.  He wasn't "pretty" in the ideal way that Apollo was, but...he definitely wasn't considered useless.  To scare off the crows and thieves if nothing else. 

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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/6/2008 7:38:33 AM   
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Actually a line that always amused me, because I've always read that Romans found the small penis to be much more beautiful than a large one.


Highly debateable, although I suppose "beautiful" is a highly subjective term and our only sources tend to be Classical authors who probably had small ones.  Archaeologically speaking, most every garden of Classical Greece and Rome came equipped with a statue of Priapus, and sometimes the god's penis was as thick as his waist.  He wasn't "pretty" in the ideal way that Apollo was, but...he definitely wasn't considered useless.  To scare off the crows and thieves if nothing else. 


...the threat of a good "rodgering" ... 

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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/6/2008 9:16:55 AM   
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Actually a line that always amused me, because I've always read that Romans found the small penis to be much more beautiful than a large one.


Highly debateable, although I suppose "beautiful" is a highly subjective term and our only sources tend to be Classical authors who probably had small ones.  Archaeologically speaking, most every garden of Classical Greece and Rome came equipped with a statue of Priapus, and sometimes the god's penis was as thick as his waist.  He wasn't "pretty" in the ideal way that Apollo was, but...he definitely wasn't considered useless.  To scare off the crows and thieves if nothing else. 


I just can't stop imagining the line being amended to, "A large penis is always welcome in a garden."  :-p

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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/6/2008 9:35:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's actually about filtering sexuality through society. They depicted cultured men with smaller penises because it indicated the civilized control of the sexual impulse. That's why in paintings of satyrs they always have a big cock; it's symbolic of the wild force of unrestrained primitive sexuality.

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RE: Fed up with the image of "whimpy" male subs - 12/6/2008 9:46:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		 . . . .  the civilized control of the sexual impulse.

Hence also the beginning of the tradition of circumcising, apparently. 

Ironic, though, considering the size of willies of other primates which have no such civilising suppression of their impulses.  Apparently, gorillas have quite tiny wedding wands, though no-one's actually done the key measurement with a ruler at the appropriate time - for reasons that will be readily appreciated.

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