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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I thought it was Osama who was responsible for 9/11  ?

Remember: war is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

And the face of your enemy changes at the whim of your leader.

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

It's called strategy.  Eliminate Saddam--a known threat--and weaken al-Qaida--another known threat.

In the real world (where there are bad guys that want to hurt you) that's how its done.

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Saddam was not helping Al Qaida.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Sorry but this is complete bullshit. Saddam was not helping Al Qaida. Saddam was actually a strong opponent to radical Islam, because it threatened his own power. Saddam was not much of a threat to anyone, anymore. Saddam saber rattled too loudly, and there was no saber really. There really is only one reason to have gone into Iraq, and that is to destabilize the region and have a military presence there.

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It is now obvious the invasion of Iraq had less to do with any threat from Saddam's long-gone WMD program and certainly less to do with fighting International terrorism than it had to do with gaining strategic control over Iraq's hydrocarbon reserves and in doing, so maintain the U.S. dollar as the monopoly currency for the critical international oil market. Throughout 2004, information provided by former administration insiders revealed the Bush/Cheney administration entered into office with the intention of toppling Saddam Hussein.

Candidly stated, 'Operation Iraqi Freedom' was a war designed to install a pro-U.S. government in Iraq, establish multiple U.S. military bases before the onset of global Peak Oil, and to reconvert Iraq back to petrodollars while hoping to thwart further OPEC momentum towards the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency (i.e. "petroeuro").

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

But the temptation of US troops in Iraq proved to be too much for al Qaida to resist--and al Qaida overreached in Iraq.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Sorry but this is complete bullshit. Saddam was not helping Al Qaida. Saddam was actually a strong opponent to radical Islam, because it threatened his own power. Saddam was not much of a threat to anyone, anymore. Saddam saber rattled too loudly, and there was no saber really. There really is only one reason to have gone into Iraq, and that is to destabilize the region and have a military presence there.

It's amazing that people like Sanity and Lord are still arguing against these simple facts: who are they trying to kid but themselves? And let's not forget the small matter of the oil and the petroeuros:

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It is now obvious the invasion of Iraq had less to do with any threat from Saddam's long-gone WMD program and certainly less to do with fighting International terrorism than it had to do with gaining strategic control over Iraq's hydrocarbon reserves and in doing, so maintain the U.S. dollar as the monopoly currency for the critical international oil market. Throughout 2004, information provided by former administration insiders revealed the Bush/Cheney administration entered into office with the intention of toppling Saddam Hussein.

Candidly stated, 'Operation Iraqi Freedom' was a war designed to install a pro-U.S. government in Iraq, establish multiple U.S. military bases before the onset of global Peak Oil, and to reconvert Iraq back to petrodollars while hoping to thwart further OPEC momentum towards the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency (i.e. "petroeuro").

Energy Bulletin.

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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Saddam was not helping Al Qaida.

You're right, he wasn't.

But the temptation of US troops in Iraq proved to be too much for al Qaida to resist--and al Qaida overreached in Iraq.

Better to fight them over there than over here.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
How big does this conspiracy get.

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In an exclusive interview with ABC News, a reflective Vice President Dick Cheney praised President-elect Barack Obama's national security team... <snip>

"I must say, I think it's a pretty good team," Cheney said. "I'm not close to Barack Obama, obviously, nor do I identify with him politically. He's a liberal. I'm a conservative."  <snip> <snip>

"But I think the idea of keeping Gates at Defense is excellent. I think Jim Jones will be very, very effective as the national security adviser."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6467512&page=1

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
How big does this conspiracy get.

The non-existent WMDs conspiracy? You'll have to ask Cheney.

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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Saddam was not helping Al Qaida.

You're right, he wasn't.

But the temptation of US troops in Iraq proved to be too much for al Qaida to resist--and al Qaida overreached in Iraq.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Wasn't a threat?

Saddam Hussein was determined to enslave the entire Middle East, and towards that end he waged two massive wars against his neighbors, one of which was a perfectly peaceful Kuwait. Saddam Hussein sponsored terrorism against Israel, and he slaughtered and tortured his own people with real torture, and not kinky the little butt pyramids that the editors at the New York Times could never print enough of.

Bill Clinton even had the Air Force patroling Iraq daily to try to keep the peace there, and Saddam had those same jets targeted every time he had the chance, endangering American lives. Bill Clinton even signed legislation calling for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein because he was deemed to  be such a threat, and Clinton had war plans drawn up specifically for that purpose.

The entire world had to keep sending in the UN to try to help make sure he wasn't building WMDs, UN teams who Saddam Hussein famously played constant games with...

But he wasn't a threat.

At least you got the "revisionism" part right.