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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 8:41:57 AM

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Well, point being, you're so far radically biased, that you refuse to see that a lot of what you outright want to pin on Bush goes far beyond Bush (and some includes Clinton even).

Bush supporters/Republicans will say "The deregulation occured during Clinton's presidency!" "Clinton thought Hussein was a thread enough to attack Iraq too!", and come up with wild excuses to justify Bush.

Clinton supporters will try and argue that Clinton's worst mistake was cheating on his wife, and try and put the blame for the world's ills all on his shoulders.

Both parties are equally blind and willingly self-deluded.

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 8:46:12 AM

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Didn`t I say Clinton fibbed?

At least Clinton admitted to his failures(the comparatively few),which separates him out from the rest.

Go Al!

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 8:52:55 AM

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Yeah. And Clinton/Bush are the only Democrat/Republican who ever lived. And it's still arguable how many failures he actually had.

Edit: But you're no more likely to ever be open minded about it than a die-hard Republican is likely to be. Which goes back to my original point...that's one of the big things wrong with the country, is both sides actually believe their side is good, and the other is evil.

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 9:13:36 AM

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"And this epitomizes one of the major things wrong with the country today. Both sides are so guilty of deluding themselves into believing "Other guys bad, we good.""

Yeah,that Clinton,misleading about a blowjob.That bastard.And that Bush lied us into Iraq(and destroyed it),sent thousands of our GIs to die(for nothing) and wounded/maimed tens of thousands of our other GIs,spent us into debtor`s prison and killed the economy,Katrina debacle,made Iran the dominant force in the middle east,north Korea,Darfur,Wall Street/corporate theft/zero oversight, which will all take decades to recover from,let bin-laden get away,etc.

Bad,bad,....all bad.

Owner, "Darfur?"
What does "Darfur" have to do with the U.S. or Bush?

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 10:14:51 AM

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You mean the comedian who's written several best-selling books on politics, exposing talk radio's and FoxNews' lies and pandering to the right, and the evil deeds of the Bush administration, plus hosted a popular left-wing program discussing political matters on a daily basis, and decried predatory lending years before it became a hot topic?

That comedian?

Yes, clearly he has no business being in the Senate.

Ann Coulter is a best selling political author too...Your point?
Popular radio host? Don't make me laugh, AA was a failure from the beginning, and Franken rode that ship down, like the band on the Titanic. He didn't even have the highest rated show on AA, let alone against any competition.

I'm sure he had some harsh words for Dodd & Frank back in the day, but my "Google" doesn't seem to work, can ya help a brother out?

I never said he didn't have business in the Senate, I said the Senate was a joke, and adding Franken to the rolls just adds another punchline.

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 10:51:59 AM

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Heyya 59,

I like the pic with the shades.......

Quick question........Are they a rose colored tint?

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 11:50:37 AM

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Oh please....Ann Coulter....She makes Me toss My lunch!....What a C#*T.....ugh!

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 11:54:10 AM

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Oh please....Ann Coulter....She makes Me toss My lunch!....What a C#*T.....ugh!

Yeah, she's pretty obnoxious, but unlike Al she's occasionally funny.

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 2:53:56 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=susZ2ceEHwk

Which one`s funnier?(ie gets more laughs)

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 3:03:05 PM

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That radio show was successful? How do you define success?

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Franken has become a millionaire from comedy.And helped start the successful Air America Radio-liberal formatted broadcasts.And may soon win a Senate seat.I`d say that he was pretty successful.

What was that phrase that Reagan stole,?~"Nothing succeeds like success"~ I think it was.

Good luck Al.

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 3:13:32 PM

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That radio show was successful? How do you define success?

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Franken has become a millionaire from comedy.And helped start the successful Air America Radio-liberal formatted broadcasts.And may soon win a Senate seat.I`d say that he was pretty successful.

What was that phrase that Reagan stole,?~"Nothing succeeds like success"~ I think it was.

Good luck Al.

When he was on the air,his audiance share was growing and AA was growing overall at between 5 and 8 % a year.At times,even better.

It took them three years to get to where Rush was in 10 years.

Given the same amount of years to grow as Rush`s show(over 20 so far),AA will be doing better than Rush or right-wing radio in general.And they are and they will.

On Wall Street,an investment that grew as fast as AA`s business grew would be a top stock.

The origonal invetsors wanted out and AA reorganized there debt but they are still a healthy and growing business.

Their critics are jealous sore losers.

I was a little put off when he left to run for office.I looked forward to his show and his poking fun at the bushies.It was a great elixir for watching Bush fiddle while the US burned.

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 4:41:35 PM

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Yup. Ann Coulter sure is funny... remember when she advocated laws against those of us into leather and handcuffs? Blaming us as part of the "moral decay" in America? (This was lumped in with one of her usual anti gay rants.) I believe she used the phrase "hunt them down and kill them?"

Yeah. Fucking Hailarious!

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 4:46:31 PM

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You gotta love Minnesota thou, first they elect a Crossdressing "Pro" Wrestler as Governor, and now an unfunny "Comedian" as a Senator. Must be something in the water, or their brains freeze up dere in Janurary.

There are a couple of things that have been bugging me about this. First off, the election is in early November - our brains have not yet frozen at that time, except occasionally in some parts of the far north of our beautiful state.

Now, about Jesse... I agree with a lot of what he believes, but I shudder every time he opens his mouth. He's kind of a whining idjit these days, but it was not always so. He was a different guy when he was running for governor. He had a really common-sense stand on a lot of issues. When he didn't know about an issue or didn't have an opinion, he said so. He was positive and constructive (unlike the Jesse we see today). He had some really good people working on his team - people who are highly respected throughout the state. I didn't agree with him on everything, but he was a straight talker and I really like that. He could do that because he expected to lose, but I really don't think that he has a choice - he's not a politician or a diplomat. He's going to say what's on his mind. The press cut him a lot of slack during the campaign because they expected he'd lose. He was a fascinating story - not many third party gubernatorial candidates get national press. His message got out.

Skip Humphrey insisted that Jesse be included in the debates, partly, I'm sure, because he felt that Jesse would draw more votes away from Norm Coleman than from himself, partly because a lot of MNfolk were supporting Jesse and it was the right thing to do, and mostly because he didn't think that Jesse could win. Norm was having a tough time, and Jesse was making it tougher. MNfolk didn't really know what to make of Norm. He'd recently turned from D to R, and there was that danged NY accent. It made it hard for some folks to think of him as "one of us", particularly when he was running against Skip who is not only "one of us", he's progeny of a revered Minnesotan. But we've got a lot of R's here, and a lot of ticket-splitters. We really don't care for having one party in control, even if it's our party. We like checks and balances.

I voted for Jesse. I pay attention to politics and government, as do a good many Minnesotans. We have a very active and engaged populace. At that time we were having some serious problems with partisan gridlock in the state, and we were rather disenchanted with both parties. I suspect that a lot of folks voted for Jesse as a protest, but I believe that most who voted for Jesse felt good about casting that ballot. I know that I did. In retrospect, it was a sad thing. He turned out to be really thin-skinned and very whiney. He set the third-party movement in the state back so much. I'm just bummed about the whole thing.

I also voted for Al Franken. I had a hard time with that decision, but I feel really good about it. I really like Dean Barkley, but I knew he wouldn't win. If Jesse hadn't been such a whiner, Dean would have had a chance, but as it is... I would have voted for him anyway because I like voting third-party and wanted to make sure they got the 5% needed to remain a major party in the state, but I liked Al as much as I liked Dean and I really didn't want Norm to have another term. I don't think that Norm's a bad guy, but he's pretty much a nonentity. From what I can see, he votes party line if the Republicans need his vote, if they don't he votes however he thinks will look best to the folks back home. I expect more from a senator. I don't agree with everything Al stands for, but I think he's up on the issues and really cares about what's going on. He wants to be a legislator, not a politician. He's going to vote his conscience. I don't feel that way about Norm. I think that he has a true desire to serve the people of MN, I don't believe that he is in politics for personal gain, but I get the impression that Norm was working on a career path rather than looking to make a difference.

I think that Al would be a senator in the mold of Paul Wellstone. While Al's surely a lefty, I don't expect that he will be a reliable D vote in the Senate. I expect that Al will be someone who will vote his principles and speak his mind, much as Paul was. I expect that on some issues, Al would be a thorn in the side of his party, much as Paul was. I'd like that.

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 5:19:45 PM

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I was in Minnisotta one winter, it was so cold I saw a dog stuck to a hydrant!

I heard that last winter it got so cold in Minnesota, the politicians had their hands in their own pockets.

The former joke was the kind of thing we Minnesotans encourage - scares off the riff-raff. The latter isn't a MN joke. MN is known for having a relatively clean political system.

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 6:23:21 PM

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The former joke was the kind of thing we Minnesotans encourage - scares off the riff-raff. The latter isn't a MN joke. MN is known for having a relatively clean political system.

Well, compared to Chicago, sure.

But a "clean political system" is a contradiction in terms.

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 6:32:03 PM

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I have a friend that is in the radio business, and he said that they actually paid to have the show aired. So how much money did that show make?

I decided to do my own research and found this:

" Air America Radio (commonly abbreviated to AAR) is an American radio network specializing in politically liberal talk programming. The network started programming on March 31, 2004 and features discussion and information programs with hosts reflecting progressive points of view. The network specializes in presentations and monologues by on-air personalities, guest interviews, calls by listeners, and news reports. Air America's most popular hosts, Thom Hartmann and Lionel, are estimated to each have over 1.5 million unique listeners a week.[1] On October 13, 2006 Air America Radio filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The company was bought by Green Family Media, made up of New York real estate investor Stephen L. Green and his brother Mark J. Green, who closed on the purchase of the network on March 6, 2007 for US$ 4.25 million.[2][3] "

Seems they also were mistaken on the amount of capital to start the business. They said they had 30 million to start it, when in fact they had 6 million.

"At the time it started Air America Radio, Progress Media stated it had secured US$30 million in venture capital before its debut. The amount was later estimated by the Wall Street Journal to be closer to US$6 million; Sorensen said that an investor had backed out at the last minute.[6] "

Air America also took no interest loans from a charity for kids and the elderly.

" In July 2005, the Bronx News reported that the Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club of Co-op City, a non-profit organization providing services for children and seniors in the Bronx, loaned US$480,000 to Progress Media, then owner of Air America Radio. It later turned out that there had been four separate transfers from Gloria Wise, of $80,000; $87,000; $218,000; and $490,000; between October 2, 2003, and March 14, 2004, totalling $875,000, and that no interest was to be paid on these loans.[11] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_America_Radio

Check the references at the bottom of the wiki article for even more information about Air America. If I were Franken I would have left, whether I was running for Senator or not.

Now the question would be, how does one measure success in this?

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When he was on the air,his audiance share was growing and AA was growing overall at between 5 and 8 % a year.At times,even better.

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 6:37:21 PM

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Interesting information here on Franken as well:

" Tax issues

New York state officials stated Al Franken Inc. failed to carry workers' compensation insurance for employees from 2002 to 2005. Franken paid the $25,000 fine to the state of New York upon being advised his corporation was out of compliance with the state's workers compensation laws.[19][20]
The California Franchise Tax Board reported that the same corporation owed more than $4,743.40 in taxes, fines and associated penalties in the state of California for 2003 through 2007 because the corporation did not file tax returns in the state for those years.[21] A Franken representative said that it followed the advice of an accountant who believed when the corporation stopped doing business in California that no further filing was required.[19] However, Republicans say that Franken made 32 public appearances from 2003 to 2007, including two on NBC's Tonight Show with Jay Leno taped in Burbank, California, for which Franken would have been paid the standard union fee as a member of the Screen Actors Guild.[21] On April 29, 2008, Franken released a statement noting that he will pay about $70,000 in back income taxes in 17 states dating to 2003. Most of the income at issue was from speeches and other paid appearances by the comedian-turned candidate. Franken said he got bad advice from his accountant, who had told him to pay income tax only in his state of residence. He added that he will seek retroactive credit from the states where he paid income tax that should have been paid in these 17 states.[22] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_franken

Again check the references at the bottom of the page.

Sorry but I see little difference between the parties. Politicians and those from Hollywood believe themselves to be American Royalty.

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 7:08:22 PM

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Now the question would be, how does one measure success in this?

Also, how does one measure success in the fact that AAR stations have less than half the share of stations carrying Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity in their respective markets?

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 7:51:53 PM

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Half the market share with only a few years in business, of what took Rush over 20 years to get.

That`s a pretty good trajectory and performance.

Unless you`re biased.

Go Al go!

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RE: Al Franken takes lead in Minn. Senate Race...Go Al!! - 12/22/2008 8:06:35 PM

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Go Al go!

You do realize that Al hasn't been on AAR since 14 Feb 2007?

Not "go" but "gone".

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