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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 10:46:13 AM   
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Curious minds would like to know if anyone posting here has actually had a gun pulled on them or being shot?
If so do you carry a gun yourself?


I have had a gun held to my head for over an hour by a drunken, pissed off neighbor.  I used to own a gun.  I don't any longer.  I sold it because the gun was a .380 Llama and frankly, the slide action on it was too stiff, therefore making it essentially useless to me in the event of needing to use it.

(edited to correct the caliber)


Were they a licensed gun holder?
If so do you think the incident would have happened if guns were banned?

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 10:49:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't believe he had a license for his gun.  I never had one for my Llama.  So yes, I think it would have happened regardless.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 10:51:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just for the record i'm neither for or against licensed guns these days. I can see the arguments for and against them. I'm assuming and may be wrong that in general its not the licensed gun holders who are the major problem.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 10:52:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		You don't need a license to carry a gun in Maine either. I think people overseas don't always know that. You go to the gun shop, show your ID, they make sure you don't have any felonies that make it illegal to own, all good, give cash, get gun, and presto! Dirty Harry. Really, it is that easy. The last time I purchased I was in, out, and at the range in 30 minutes. It is a bit more to get a conceal carry permit, but to buy a gun, no licensing.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 10:53:38 AM   
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One of the contradictions I see in these threads is on hand, people argue that guns need to be banned because they contribute to gun violence.

Then it gets argued that we don't need to own guns because the incidents where one has had a gun pulled on them or shot is incredibly rare.

So if there is no need to own guns because gun crime incidents are so rare, then there should be no reason to ban them, because (obviously) gun violence is not an issue with all the guns that we have.

 
I've never argued that. I argue the world is a dangerous and making it safer takes personal sacrifice that most aren’t willing to make.

Like you said it comes down to what is reasonable risk, one hundred other things in life could kill you so why protect yourself in ways that will make society less safe?


Forgive me. It was a rather ambigous statement not directed at anyone in particular. I just pick up on common threads and that was one of them.

In your opinion, they make society less safe, but it's not one that I share for a number of reasons.

First, I don't believe that anything is inherently good or bad, but rather how people choose to use it. Responsible gun ownership results in a safe society. Irresponsible gun ownership doesn't. Irresponsible gun ownership is against the law currently, but does not stop irresponsible gun ownership. Obviously, people who use guns irresponsibly have no problems breaking the law so therefore making guns illegal will just result in irresponsible people having them and responsible people not having them.

I'm all for persecuting people who use guns to make society less safe. I am all for "reasonable" (at least, what I consider reasonable) gun laws that take guns that have very little practical purpose and can cause heavy collateral damage away from people, because unless we have perfected some form of social engineering, there has to be some degree of "common sense" gun control.

But the answer isn't to reduce grown men and women who pay their taxes and do their part to the level of children who need their sugar cookies taken away less they spoil their dinner.

Second, as much as people might hate guns, they have played a positive role in the world. They are what put an end to the "I am bigger than you with a bigger club and therefore I make the rules" way of social interaction in the world.

You can make the argument that we don't need to own guns in society, because their neccessity is abstract, but more or less, all your doing is trading away your self sufficiency to a feeling of safety. An illusion created by the imposter called "comfort" that comes from living in a mostly peaceful society where "bad things happening" gets perceived as something that happens somewhere else in a far away land or in a dirty corner of an alley to people who deserved it in some way.

Unfortanely, the sad thing is that, as history has shown, people will always trade away their rights and freedoms for this illusion of safety. The Patriot Act is a prime example.



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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 10:54:48 AM   
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I was completely anti gun when these gun discussions started too, just goes to show !!

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 10:57:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to wonder if all gun owners were licensed if the the incidents of violence involving guns wouldn't be an issue at all? It is appearing to me that much of the problem with violence involving guns are mainly due to the illegal ownership of guns. As it seems that when a crime is committed when a gun is involved, the majority of the criminals are using an illegally owned firearm. 

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 10:58:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not a gun guy myself, but did have one pulled on me once in a robbery in a store I ran years ago....gave the guy the cash and he beat feet out the door....
He was caught within a few block so the store and convicted of robbery. Scary for the first few minutes but, I knew when I pulled the last $20 out the silent alarm was going to go off and the guy seemed more scared then I was....Another screwed up druggie!

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:00:34 AM   
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If anyone can help with this, I would appreciate it.

I am looking for a statistic that compares the percentage of attempted rapes that were thwarted by women with guns being compared to percentage thwarted by women without guns.

Amazingly enough, that kind of data is hard to find.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:02:05 AM   
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Well then it's a really good thing you live there and I live here. I like the fact that I can own a gun and protect myself. There are some right prats in the world.


And I cant think of a time in mine, my family or my friends lives where they needed a gun to protect themselves, what is it that you are protecting yourself against?


Me personally? I don't own a gun, so no one. I said I was glad I lived somewhere where I can own a gun. My brother on the other hand lives out in the middle of no where and I am glad he can own a gun to keep his home safe and he does. He also keeps guns because he enjoys going to the range and target shooting with the rest of the family, but that really doesn't have anything to do with protection. It's just fun.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:05:40 AM   
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Well then it's a really good thing you live there and I live here. I like the fact that I can own a gun and protect myself. There are some right prats in the world.


And I cant think of a time in mine, my family or my friends lives where they needed a gun to protect themselves, what is it that you are protecting yourself against?


oops, missed the friends part, yes I have friends who live in Brightmore and need guns to protect themselves from people breaking in. That's in case they get past the dogs.

For those who don't know, Brightmore is a delightful little burb of Detroit. The USPS threatened to cut off their mail, but I think that was because of the dogs running loose more than the people there. Charming area, really.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:07:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know. I still hate the NRA, and the whole "good old boy" mentality. You don't need 6 AK's to thwart a burglar. Such a conflicted liberal...lol. Oh, and if you hurt a child, or an animal? Intentionally I mean, and without consent in the case of women, no gun for you asshole. Ever. No second chance.

misst, did you ever see the movie with Jodie Foster, "The Brave One"? It made some sense of women and guns to me anyway.   


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The amount of gun discussions that have gone on here i knew that lol.
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I was completely anti gun when these gun discussions started too, just goes to show !!


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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:10:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Somehow, I mis read your post Greedy.....I kept thinking why would they guy be pissed off at you having a Llama...I need to stop skim-reading these things!

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:16:29 AM   
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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:18:14 AM   
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Curious minds would like to know if anyone posting here has actually had a gun pulled on them or being shot?
If so do you carry a gun yourself?


To answer your question : Yes, I've had a gun pulled on me - by a family member.  While said family member Missed, he DID take a shot at me.  Yes, I carry a gun.  Yes, I hold a Concealed Carry permit.  Yes, since the incident that happened when I got shot at - I have made Damned Certain that any time I'm going to Knowingly potentially be in the same place at the same time (a distinct possibility up until a month ago, when I moved dad back in with me from the nursing home) - I was armed, it was loaded, safety was off, and I could easily draw and fire if my life was threatened.
 
I also carry concealed when I go do my show rounds, business wise.  I'm typically carrying cash, and would rather shoot someone than be mugged as I'm making a cash drop into the night deposit at my bank.


Not trying to be arsey here but were they a licensed gun holder?
See if they were and guns were banned before said incident surely the chances of that incident happening would have been less unless they obtained a gun illegally.


Actually no - my brother does not have a concealed carry permit.  You aren't legally required by law to Purchase or Own a weapon in my state - only to carry it Concealed while in public.  Either way, it wouldn't have made any difference.  The weapon in his hand at the time didn't belong to him - it was owned by our Father - who was, up until his stroke, also a concealed carry permit holder - and a regular award winning compitition shooter.  Since my brother has never been Convicted of a felony, he can legally own - he does not, however, qualify for a CC permit in this state because some of his various Misdemeanor convictions are drug related.
 
The incident  happened about 5 months after dad's stroke, around the time that it was decided that dad would go into a nursing home for care.  My brother and I still lived in the same house at the time - and I was still trying to play peacemaker and do my best to get along with him for dad's sake.  My brother found dad's compitition .45 - which was also what dad kept close to hand for personal protection - while he was drunk and stoned, and in his drunk, stoned state he came staggering into my bedroom at 230 in the morning waving the .45 around, supposedly unable to work the slide, screeching at me about how *I must have broken dad's gun, because he couldn't cock it.  When I told him - bluntly - to put it down before he blew his own foot off in his stupidity, he pointed it at me - suddenly managed to get the slide to work (imagine that!) - and pulled the trigger.  The bullet went past my head by about a foot, through my bedroom wall, through the outter wall of my house, through the outter and inner wall of the neighbor's house, and embedded itself in the interior wall of the far side of that room of the neighbor's house.  While I was in shock at almost getting shot by a fucking Family Member - my brother's First reaction was surprise, then it was to regret that he missed, then to realize that I could have his ass thrown in jail for attempted murder if he didn't start trying to at least Act like it was accidental.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:18:39 AM   
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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:19:17 AM   
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Obviously, people who use guns irresponsibly have no problems breaking the law so therefore making guns illegal will just result in irresponsible people having them and responsible people not having them.

I don't know that is the case maybe perhaps they get lazy from time to time in terms of handling and such like. If you have your gun stolen it goes into the hands of a criminal. The point is there is greater availability of guns for the wrong use and you can't secure your weapon and have it to hand for safety, those two things contradict one another. For most gun owners they'll be nothing more than ornaments but the criminals will use them without question. I don't know that I want to be responsible for killing someone. When push comes to shove and you are in a situation where someone else is being threatened would it be so easily to act to kill the person? I could understand the acting in self defence but most situations will probably be third party types where you see someone threatening someone else. The question that will be in your mind is: 'I see someone being hurt is it my duty to act because I have a weapon and no one else is around?' I don't want to be in that position it isn't my job to be in that position but having the gun puts a pressure on someone to act, perhaps foolishly.
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I'm all for persecuting people who use guns to make society less safe. I am all for "reasonable" (at least, what I consider reasonable) gun laws that take guns that have very little practical purpose and can cause heavy collateral damage away from people, because unless we have perfected some form of social engineering, there has to be some degree of "common sense" gun control.

But the answer isn't to reduce grown men and women who pay their taxes and do their part to the level of children who need their sugar cookies taken away less they spoil their dinner.

We should legalise drugs and other things the government is trying to protect us from?
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Second, as much as people might hate guns, they have played a positive role in the world. They are what put an end to the "I am bigger than you with a bigger club and therefore I make the rules" way of social interaction in the world.

I see little evidence of that it just became my gun is bigger than yours or now I can annihilate you with the press of one button.
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You can make the argument that we don't need to own guns in society, because their necessity is abstract, but more or less, all your doing is trading away your self sufficiency to a feeling of safety. An illusion created by the imposter called "comfort" that comes from living in a mostly peaceful society where "bad things happening" gets perceived as something that happens somewhere else in a far away land or in a dirty corner of an alley to people who deserved it in some way.

I don't feel safe here but I wouldn't feel any safer with a gun. If someone wants me dead they will choose their time and place not mine.


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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:22:41 AM   
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Well then it's a really good thing you live there and I live here. I like the fact that I can own a gun and protect myself. There are some right prats in the world.


And I cant think of a time in mine, my family or my friends lives where they needed a gun to protect themselves, what is it that you are protecting yourself against?


I have asked this question in the past and have never recieved an answer that made sense. In my life time I have travelled around much of the world and have never been in the position to feel threatened enough to wish I had a gun.


Initial reply:

How about when a fellow broke into my house higher than a kite brandishing a knife with only my wife and daughter at home?

How about when a group of fellows broke into my brother's house and ultimately poked out his eye with a broom stick?

We had never met either group before.  The luck of the draw.

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My daughter was doing her dishes in her own home.  The door came flying off its hinges.  In walked her x (Yes, she had a PPO against him for all the good a piece of paper does  to him.) He leveled a 357 at her, smiled at her, and pulled the trigger.  The most surprised person in the room was her x when the 357 did not go off.  She bailed out the front door with the baby while he struggled to clear  the weapon.  If she had a pistol she could have cut off an additional ten years of absolute torture that was inflicted by that lunatic.  He was mentally ill but would not take his medication.  Do you think the system could even keep him in jail or a hospital?  The police did start to beat the crap out of him each time he assaulted her.  About the fifth time he was bounced off of walls and the pavement fear crept into his eyes.  He liked inflicting pain but not receiving it.  I still fear that he will suddenly flip out again.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:25:19 AM   
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I agree Greedy. I have a .44 luger and I hate it. I am by far a fan of revolvers, I can handle that so much easier, and that frigging slide action on the .44 sucks, it is too hard for me easily manipulate, the revolver to me is a better peice for a woman. 



Aynne - consider taking your Luger to a reputable gunsmith (most good indoor ranges employ one in this part of the country - not sure about where you are, or whether you got moved like I think you had said you were doing a while back).  The gunsmith can adjust both the action of the slide, and the action of the trigger, making for an easier and lighter pull in both regards.  I wouldn't know about that particular trick myself, except dad had a couple of the guns he used for compitition shooting adjusted in that manner.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:27:09 AM   
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