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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:31:16 AM   
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SHHHHHHHHHH.....Don't tell anyone...I don't have a concealed Llama permit!

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:37:28 AM   
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Thanks Rhi, I will do that. I have only shot it three times because of that, the Medomak Trading Post is only 10 minutes away, that is where I bought it. It is so hard to pull back that I don't use it, and that kind of renders it useless. I will actually get on that this week, thanks.


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I agree Greedy. I have a .44 luger and I hate it. I am by far a fan of revolvers, I can handle that so much easier, and that frigging slide action on the .44 sucks, it is too hard for me easily manipulate, the revolver to me is a better peice for a woman. 



Aynne - consider taking your Luger to a reputable gunsmith (most good indoor ranges employ one in this part of the country - not sure about where you are, or whether you got moved like I think you had said you were doing a while back).  The gunsmith can adjust both the action of the slide, and the action of the trigger, making for an easier and lighter pull in both regards.  I wouldn't know about that particular trick myself, except dad had a couple of the guns he used for compitition shooting adjusted in that manner.


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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:44:31 AM   
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I often wonder why I have been "blessed" to have so much garbage happen  in my life when others cannot even conceive of those situations even occurring.   I remember the time I was sitting at my daughter's house with a shotgun while the police were trying to find my x son in law.  He was trying to hide by driving a pink car; dressed in a red dress, green wig and lipstick; and while still having his handle bar mustache.  It turned out all right.  The cops found him.  As he got out surrounded by drawn revolvers he smiled and asked if it was 420 yet.  I do not believe my life.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:49:57 AM   
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I have a scar on my right palm from a .25 cal. The bullet entered the palm, rattled around in the wrist and then exited. It happened when I placed my hand over the gun of an assailant that was planning to shoot my employer at the time. I also have been shot in the calf with a 9mm, mostly a grazing flesh wound that only nicked the top layers of the muzzle. This occurred when I was shoving my then employer into the back of the town car, because an altercation between two groups of young hood rats was breaking out at his club.

I have been shot and I have shot 4 individuals in my life, 1 fatally. The employer I had at the time required that all of his employees be able to obtain a CCW license and carry weapons. If I had not had a weapon in each of those situations, people I cared about would have died.

I used to carry a S & W .40 and a Guardian .380 w/ a 2.5 inch barrel as a holdout. Since leaving that line of work I only carry when going to certain areas. I always carry two knives no matter where I go.

I will protect me and mine to the best of my ability, including putting myself in harms way or sacrificing my life. My commitment to the duty of care I have for those I am responsible for will never be daunted by any of the petty remarks made by some posters here (not you missturbation).

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Curious minds would like to know if anyone posting here has actually had a gun pulled on them or being shot?
If so do you carry a gun yourself?


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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:55:05 AM   
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Couldn't we save more lives by rallying to the cause of stricter licensing for driving and better training for new drivers? I never see that brought up, but then again you do not get all the emotional drama from that either.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 11:58:17 AM   
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If you have your gun stolen it goes into the hands of a criminal.


It's possible. I'm not seeing any shortage of drugs though. It's equally as possible that the enlargement of the illegal arms market might just mean more entrepreneurs stepping forward to meet the supply.
 
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The point is there is greater availability of guns for the wrong use and you can't secure your weapon and have it to hand for safety, those two things contradict one another. For most gun owners they'll be nothing more than ornaments but the criminals will use them without question.

 
If this was grounded in reality, then we won't give guns to cops. The police and military have secure, responsible methods for handling them that still allowed them to respond appropriately in situations where they need to defend themselves.
 
There is no contradiction at all, unless you believe that cops don't use guns conservatively.
 
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I don't know that I want to be responsible for killing someone.

 
I won't want to feel responsible for my wife dieing when I could have acted and done something to stop it.
 
This...and this...
 
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When push comes to shove and you are in a situation where someone else is being threatened would it be so easily to act to kill the person?
 

...are two questions anyone who wants to own a gun show seriously ask themselves.
 
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I could understand the acting in self defence but most situations will probably be third party types where you see someone threatening someone else. The question that will be in your mind is: 'I see someone being hurt is it my duty to act because I have a weapon and no one else is around?' I don't want to be in that position it isn't my job to be in that position but having the gun puts a pressure on someone to act, perhaps foolishly.

 
Once again, things you have to consider before you take on the responsibility of owning a gun. You obviously think the risk outweighs the benefit and thats cool, but not everyone wants to make that choice. 

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We should legalise drugs and other things the government is trying to protect us from?

 
Oh God, yes as far as the drugs. They aren't illegal on the grounds of any consistent ethical principle, because if they were, cigarettes would also be illegal. They aren't illegal because too many people would flip the fuck out.
 
There is absolutely no positive tangible benefit to cigarettes beyond people like them and they make them feel good. It doesn't cure cancer, stalwart the common cold, or change your motor oil with a free tire rotation. We have no problems allowing people to buy them, slowly kill themselves, and allow the free market and the government to benefit from the profits.
 
Legalize the drugs, tax the hell out of them, take half the taxes and invest them in drugs clinics and anti-drug campaigns, allow privately owned legal companies that are heavily regulated by the FDA to produce them thus cutting down on the size of the illegal market, resulting in less money to unsavory organizations, and the liberals can make millions in lawsuits against the companies themselves for killing people.
 
The people with the problem they already have will get more help and everyone will make some money.
 
It's a win-win.

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I see little evidence of that it just became my gun is bigger than yours or now I can annihilate you with the press of one button.


As I said before, common sense gun laws are needed for practicality, but still a bullet in the heart of a handgun and a bullet in the heart from a fully automatic weapon still result in the same thing.

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I don't feel safe here but I wouldn't feel any safer with a gun. If someone wants me dead they will choose their time and place not mine.


The difference is you would statistically have better odds of winning.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 12:00:47 PM   
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I have a scar on my right palm from a .25 cal. The bullet entered the palm, rattled around in the wrist and then exited. It happened when I placed my hand over the gun of an assailant that was planning to shoot my employer at the time. I also have been shot in the calf with a 9mm, mostly a grazing flesh wound that only nicked the top layers of the muzzle. This occurred when I was shoving my then employer into the back of the town car, because an altercation between two groups of young hood rats was breaking out at his club.

I have been shot and I have shot 4 individuals in my life, 1 fatally. The employer I had at the time required that all of his employees be able to obtain a CCW license and carry weapons. If I had not had a weapon in each of those situations, people I cared about would have died.

I used to carry a S & W .40 and a Guardian .380 w/ a 2.5 inch barrel as a holdout. Since leaving that line of work I only carry when going to certain areas. I always carry two knives no matter where I go.

I will protect me and mine to the best of my ability, including putting myself in harms way or sacrificing my life. My commitment to the duty of care I have for those I am responsible for will never be daunted by any of the petty remarks made by some posters here (not you missturbation).

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Curious minds would like to know if anyone posting here has actually had a gun pulled on them or being shot?
If so do you carry a gun yourself?



Congratulations on being alive.  And, given the hypocrisy of some jurisdictions, congratulations on not being incarcerated. How is your wrist?  (.25 caliber bullets definately have a habit of "rattling around" causing all kind of damage.)


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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 12:13:45 PM   
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If this was grounded in reality, then we won't give guns to cops. The police and military have secure, responsible methods for handling them that still allowed them to respond appropriately in situations where they need to defend themselves.
 
There is no contradiction at all, unless you believe that cops don't use guns conservatively.


Again this depends where you live because in the UK the only police that have guns are the armed response units and they are already pointing them in the direction to shoot when they arrive on the scene. They also don’t make me feel safe either especially not on the underground if I’m carrying something on my back.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 1:01:48 PM   
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There is no contradiction at all, unless you believe that cops don't use guns conservatively.



I was raised by police officers and stayed among them until I was 28.   I think it depends on how you define "conservative."  The first thing all police officers have in common is how fast they drive whether on duty or off duty.  The second relates to fire arms. (I am not criticizing them.) Was it "conservative" to shoot a rifle out of a hostage taker's hands.  That officer was good enough to instinctively pull it off but was it the "conservative" action.  I think it was good marksmanship, but oh boy.  The hostage was being held by one arm and the rifle was in the other.  Was it "conservative" to shoot out electrical transformers (each worth  $250,000) with machine guns  in 1968 because the city worker would not turn off the city lights and there maybe was a sniper.   I agree the lights had to go out but the shit really hit the fan.  Was it "conservative" to carry sawed off (both ends) twelve gauge pump shotgun's up their great coats sleeves so with a flick of the arm the shotgun came out, a shell was racked in the chamber and the rather large barrel was on the end of the transgress or's nose. I do not know about "conservative", but it was a really effective deterrent.  I often wondered what would happen if as the shotgun was racked it went off; the long term consequences I  mean. (aside from the transgressor losing his head).  As I remember all the stunts,  the police may not have been "conservative" but it sure was a fun time to listen and watch.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 1:07:37 PM   
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I now own a gun because the President-elect would love for me not to be able to own it and I don't like the fact that someone who is about to take an oath to uphold the Constitution has nothing but contempt for the second amendment to same.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 1:12:59 PM   
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I expect he'll notice and change his way immediately.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 1:20:37 PM   
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I now own a gun because the President-elect would love for me not to be able to own it and I don't like the fact that someone who is about to take an oath to uphold the Constitution has nothing but contempt for the second amendment to same.


I think you may be surprised.  I have heard nothing from Obama that upsets me.  Some posturing is all.  Besides Biden will make sure I can keep my Berettas .  When my father died we inventoried 437 pistols in his small house.  I do not intend to lose any of them and will not surrender any of  them.  However, I am not concerned as of this time.  I have been more concerned lately  about our present  administration.  Someone earlier pointed out that liberals have changed because of the conservative threat to our right to bear arms.  I believe that observation is true.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 1:42:49 PM   
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Here is something I posted on a "Gun Control" thread last year.  Just my , for what it's worth:

I grew up in a rural area and all the men in my family and surrounding area were hunters.  My dad and granddad (and now my brother) all collected guns.  My brother was in the woods hunting deer by age 8.  He, my sister, and myself were all taught how to shoot and we were taught how dangerous guns can be.  Therefore, we were also taught gun safety.  There were several loaded guns throughout our home the whole time I was growing up.  None of us (or any of our friends) ever touched them without permission and adult supervision.  It's all in how you're taught.

Regardless of all that, I grew up being an anti-gun proponent.  I didn't want to handle them, thought there should be strict gun control, etc.  This all changed one night during college.  I was staying at my grandmother's home alone when someone tried to break into the house in the wee hours of the morning.  I was asleep and the only thing that saved me was that the person accidentally knocked over a huge, stone flower pot.  The noise woke me and I could hear them trying to get in through the locked front door. 

I knew my granny kept a loaded handgun in the dresser so, hands shaking so hard I couldn't hardly hold it, I got it and headed into the living room and toward that front door.  I had a moment to think, though, as they couldn't get through the front door so they went around back and started walking down the length of the back porch toward that door.  I knew it wasn't locked very securely and they could probably push their way in.  At that moment, I had to make a decision.  What was I going to do if they came in through that door?  I decided there was nothing in that house worth dying or killing for and made (what I know think was) a rather fool-hardy decision.  I grabbed my car keys and, gun pointing out in front of me, opened the front door and made a dash to my car.  I got in, locked it, and drove off.  My neighbor and brother then came and the intruder was gone.

The point of that rambling story was that, as much as I "hated" guns, the first thing I did when I felt my life was in danger was to grab one.  It was easy for me to be all smug in my assurance that guns were "bad."  But when I needed one to protect myself, I didn't hesitate to grab it, cock it, and get ready for battle...lol...even though I decided fleeing was the best answer.  The gun gave me the sense of security I needed to run out that door and get out of there.  I didn't use it to kill or maim and it didn't get used against me.  The bottom line is that it afforded me enough security so that I felt safe to get outside and away from the scene of the "intended" crime.

Since then, my attitude has changed.  I saw the hypocrisy of my stance toward guns and have since really changed my thoughts.  Since then, I've even shot an SKS.  Whoosh, the power I felt.  Seriously......everyone is entitled to their take on the matter but that's mine.  I sure hated guns until I needed one.  Now my feelings are: "I'd rather have one and not need it than need one and not have it."..............luci



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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 2:08:40 PM   
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You don't need a license to carry a gun in Maine either. I think people overseas don't always know that. You go to the gun shop, show your ID, they make sure you don't have any felonies that make it illegal to own, all good, give cash, get gun, and presto! Dirty Harry. Really, it is that easy. The last time I purchased I was in, out, and at the range in 30 minutes. It is a bit more to get a conceal carry permit, but to buy a gun, no licensing.


Aynne, true, when I was in the USCG at Group S. Portland we'd drive down to Kittery Trading Post to go shopping.
They had a big box there of .50 cal brass that people would buy to make key rings that was ours.
And I'd often see people out in the country carrying one on their hips.
Funny, you don't see people arguing about whether we should have 1st amendment rights or not.
Or 5th, 8th, etc...
I carry a gun because I can.
I have a CWP permit.
I'd hate to be in a shopping mall if a group of terrorists started shooting up the place and not have my Glock 27 and a few magazines on me.
Even if they got me I'd want to be returning fire at them!
I'm a "Sheepdog" not a sheep.
And I certainly hope other people would be firing at them too!
I spent 10 years in Maine and I always liked the rugged individuality that the state is famous for. Same thing in New Hampshire, "Live Free Or Die!"
We interacted with lots of fishermen and had to rescue a few of them on occaision.
They always bought the beers afterwards!
A hardy lot them.



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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 2:14:51 PM   
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Here is something I posted on a "Gun Control" thread last year.  Just my , for what it's worth:

I grew up in a rural area and all the men in my family and surrounding area were hunters.  My dad and granddad (and now my brother) all collected guns.  My brother was in the woods hunting deer by age 8.  He, my sister, and myself were all taught how to shoot and we were taught how dangerous guns can be.  Therefore, we were also taught gun safety.  There were several loaded guns throughout our home the whole time I was growing up.  None of us (or any of our friends) ever touched them without permission and adult supervision.  It's all in how you're taught.

Regardless of all that, I grew up being an anti-gun proponent.  I didn't want to handle them, thought there should be strict gun control, etc.  This all changed one night during college.  I was staying at my grandmother's home alone when someone tried to break into the house in the wee hours of the morning.  I was asleep and the only thing that saved me was that the person accidentally knocked over a huge, stone flower pot.  The noise woke me and I could hear them trying to get in through the locked front door. 

I knew my granny kept a loaded handgun in the dresser so, hands shaking so hard I couldn't hardly hold it, I got it and headed into the living room and toward that front door.  I had a moment to think, though, as they couldn't get through the front door so they went around back and started walking down the length of the back porch toward that door.  I knew it wasn't locked very securely and they could probably push their way in.  At that moment, I had to make a decision.  What was I going to do if they came in through that door?  I decided there was nothing in that house worth dying or killing for and made (what I know think was) a rather fool-hardy decision.  I grabbed my car keys and, gun pointing out in front of me, opened the front door and made a dash to my car.  I got in, locked it, and drove off.  My neighbor and brother then came and the intruder was gone.

The point of that rambling story was that, as much as I "hated" guns, the first thing I did when I felt my life was in danger was to grab one.  It was easy for me to be all smug in my assurance that guns were "bad."  But when I needed one to protect myself, I didn't hesitate to grab it, cock it, and get ready for battle...lol...even though I decided fleeing was the best answer.  The gun gave me the sense of security I needed to run out that door and get out of there.  I didn't use it to kill or maim and it didn't get used against me.  The bottom line is that it afforded me enough security so that I felt safe to get outside and away from the scene of the "intended" crime.

Since then, my attitude has changed.  I saw the hypocrisy of my stance toward guns and have since really changed my thoughts.  Since then, I've even shot an SKS.  Whoosh, the power I felt.  Seriously......everyone is entitled to their take on the matter but that's mine.  I sure hated guns until I needed one.  Now my feelings are: "I'd rather have one and not need it than need one and not have it."..............luci



Old age has diminished my desire to carry a firearm.  I had a general permit ( CCW ) and did not bother to renew it a few years ago. A few years ago having a general permit was a big deal.  Now, not so much.   However, break into my home and I have every intention of stopping the intruder. My x says it is not the house I am protecting but all the firearms I have purchased and inherited.  She is probably right.  What bothers me is that the new police officers are so undependable and arbitrary.   The old line cops could make  split second decisions and live with them.  The new cops just sit there and ruminate about what they should do.  By the time they make a decision, the situation is usually out of hand.

The sometimes egregious conduct of the old line police officers was necessary.  At times there were only a couple of patrol cars on duty for the entire city. (The second largest in Michigan)  The supervisors were on call and had vehicles at home.  They relied on their ability to make split second decisions without looking back and the fear factor caused by their prior somewhat outrageous  conduct.   One night only about 20 years ago there only was one patrol vehicle on the road  for the entire city.  Of course a call caused the command officers to come out in force.  Now they have all kinds of officers and  usually a complete cluster occurs.  The old officers used to joke " one riot gets you one ranger."  I do miss those guys.  More each day.  Srong men armed.

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 2:22:01 PM   
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Canada should be off the charts, but they aren't. They have more guns and statistically less gun crime.

On what planet??
Canada has somewhere between 7,000,000 and 11,000,000 guns (http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/GunsinCanada.htm), and the US has upwards of 200,000,000 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/people/features/ihavearightto/four_b/casestudy_art29.shtml)

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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 2:29:15 PM   
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Canada should be off the charts, but they aren't. They have more guns and statistically less gun crime.

On what planet??
Canada has somewhere between 7,000,000 and 11,000,000 guns (http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/GunsinCanada.htm), and the US has upwards of 200,000,000 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/people/features/ihavearightto/four_b/casestudy_art29.shtml)


And that number is only from registered firearms. We have no bloody idea how many unregistered firearms that are actually in Canada. Several years ago when our illustrious gov't decided to create a National Gun Registry, a large percentage of Canadians refused to register their firearms.


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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 2:30:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

You don't need a license to carry a gun in Maine either. I think people overseas don't always know that. You go to the gun shop, show your ID, they make sure you don't have any felonies that make it illegal to own, all good, give cash, get gun, and presto! Dirty Harry. Really, it is that easy. The last time I purchased I was in, out, and at the range in 30 minutes. It is a bit more to get a conceal carry permit, but to buy a gun, no licensing.


Aynne, true, when I was in the USCG at Group S. Portland we'd drive down to Kittery Trading Post to go shopping.
They had a big box there of .50 cal brass that people would buy to make key rings that was ours.
And I'd often see people out in the country carrying one on their hips.
Funny, you don't see people arguing about whether we should have 1st amendment rights or not.
Or 5th, 8th, etc...
I carry a gun because I can.
I have a CWP permit.
I'd hate to be in a shopping mall if a group of terrorists started shooting up the place and not have my Glock 27 and a few magazines on me.
Even if they got me I'd want to be returning fire at them!
I'm a "Sheepdog" not a sheep.
And I certainly hope other people would be firing at them too!
I spent 10 years in Maine and I always liked the rugged individuality that the state is famous for. Same thing in New Hampshire, "Live Free Or Die!"
We interacted with lots of fishermen and had to rescue a few of them on occaision.
They always bought the beers afterwards!
A hardy lot them.




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RE: Why I Carry A Gun - 12/28/2008 2:38:24 PM   
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Canada should be off the charts, but they aren't. They have more guns and statistically less gun crime.

On what planet??
Canada has somewhere between 7,000,000 and 11,000,000 guns (http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/GunsinCanada.htm), and the US has upwards of 200,000,000 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/people/features/ihavearightto/four_b/casestudy_art29.shtml)


I had always thought Canada was death on firearms.  A guard I knew who had a CCW got in the wrong lane in Detroit and found himself heading into Canada.  He stopped in traffic and wouldn't go any further.  The police came out and I thought for sure they would box him for stopping traffic.  Instead they almost fell over laughing at his predicament.  He had a pistol and some long guns in the car and refused to go into Canada.  Surprisingly they held traffic up so he could drive back into the US.

A police officer I knew went into Canada with his service revolver to take back a prisoner. (in the 50s or 60s)  They took his revolver and mailed it back to him over two weeks a piece at a time; a spring here, a hammer there and a trigger  at another time.  He claimed that they were arbitrary and capricious.  I always thought that there had to more to the story.  However, they did mail the pieces back separately because the chief had to sign for each piece of the officer's weapon as they arrived.

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The only thing I know for sure is Canada is quite picky regarding visitors to our country and bringing in personal firearms without going through the red tape. I do not own a gun thus I am not knowledgeable of many of our laws regarding firearms.

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