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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 12/31/2008 11:49:11 AM   
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It's intimidation, which is considered abuse.


Thank you parakeet, you summed up my situation very well.
Intimidation is a form of abuse.
 
There is a big difference between raising your voice {sometimes}, and intimidating
others and destroying a home.
I think the problem is each situation is different, people have different tolerance levels, etc.
Maybe the best thing, is for each individual to realize when they are in abusive situation?
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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 12/31/2008 12:20:51 PM   
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You know, guys, this is turning into a carbon copy of the 22-page debate we had about this earlier (minus a lot of ill will, fortunately).  Maybe it would be worthwhile for people to read that one (it's called Subtle Abuse) before adding opinions here?

Yes, intimidation is a form of abuse, but no, breaking things is not always a form of intimidation.

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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 12/31/2008 12:23:12 PM   
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You know, guys, this is turning into a carbon copy of the 22-page debate we had about this earlier (minus a lot of ill will, fortunately).  Maybe it would be worthwhile for people to read that one (it's called Subtle Abuse) before adding opinions here?

Yes, intimidation is a form of abuse, but no, breaking things is not always a form of intimidation.


Actually, I glanced at that 22-page debate.
No thanks, I added my 2 cents worth.

I actually do know the difference, I am not going to write 10 pages on the subject. 
I rather read a book!



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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 12/31/2008 12:32:50 PM   
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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 12/31/2008 1:48:24 PM   
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Count me one of the people that don't believe one necessarily leads to the other. BUT, I do think that throwing a childish temper tantrum is a rediculous thing for an adult to do. I've very little respect for some one that would and I've been known to laugh at, redicule and all around treat them just like spoilt little brats.

I simply will not tollerate adults behaving like children.

All of that being said, I watched the 45 yo generic dude I share the farm with...... curse, stomp and hit the kitchen counter 2-3 times with a wet dish towel, the other night because he shoved a fork tip under his fingernail, the other night.

I laughed so damned hard.

So, in my opinion there is alot of gray areas also.


I completely agree with everything you've said here, but there is a line in here somewhere. 

Everyone pops off from time to time.  I know that I do.  I don't have tantrums or throw things or any of that, but I understand that I can be rather intimidating and have a pretty scary game face.  Hubby kind of enjoys it when I'm in high dudgeon since it's rare and never has anything to do with him.  I don't like it when hubby pops off, but it's very rare and never about me and always over quickly, so it's not an issue.  We'd feel very differently about this stuff if it was a frequent thing or was directed at one another . 

I think that's where the line is.  It's opressive/depressing to be with someone who's angry a lot of the time, or who gets angry you.  You find yourself sliding into walking-on-eggshells mode.  I don't know that it really rises to the level of "abuse", but it's a pretty stressful and unhappy way to live.  Taken to an extreme it could certainly be considered abusive.

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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 12/31/2008 6:17:56 PM   
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Does a woman's bad temper show something else?


no, but it doesn't matter. I don't know what thread the OP is talking about, I answered IMO of red flag of a man, since I don't search for a woman so they can do what they want lol.

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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 12/31/2008 9:37:29 PM   
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What this boils down to in my opinion is some people are so thin skinned they'll get upset and become a victim of fear over virtually anything. It's not nice to have people shout at you but from time to time it is going to happen and the person being shouted at just has to deal with it. There are probably some people in the world that have such control over themselves and wouldn't shout at anyone or anything, in fact so monotonal their approach to life no one knows they are passionate about anything and some think they stopped being human a long time ago. Anger is a human emotion to deny its validity with respect to coping in a particular situation is to pretend you are no longer human.


So what you are saying is that the yellee (one being yelled at), needs to grow a thicker skin, so the yeller doesn't have to change his or her bad behavior?

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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 12/31/2008 9:43:42 PM   
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I was mad one time and I took the chance to beat the bathroom wall up hit it about 3 times full strength  and put a big  hole clear through the wall and  you could see all the pipes behind the wall, didn't even hurt of phase my hand, but I did end up doing restitution for that one, since I was a minor in a group home. It wasn't worth it. I lost all privileges, and until I worked off the debt I got no money..
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I hit a sheetrock wall once with my fist and I cracked the wall.  I'm not kidding even a little.  Of course I had to ice my hand and wrist after that, but still, it was worth it.  I can't even remember what I was pissed at.  But it was great.

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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 12/31/2008 11:23:57 PM   
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Tn, sometimes Daddy gets impatient with me and will yell* usual after I've said Daddy Daddy Daddy a ton of times in a ton of minutes and  I am pestering him for the 15th time he yells WHAT*, and It's exactly what I need to do, grow a thicker hide, because if my hide wasn't  so thin, I wouldn't over react to his abrupt shout of what!

Yeah shouting WHAT, after your partner has pestered you endlessly and is now again asking something, can be bad behavior, but IF I could shrug his shouting off, I'd state what I wanted he could react, and we'd be done with it.

Instead I get all teary and butt hurt, over something that really didn't need getting butt hurt about.

Now if the behavior was something more serious I'd be less inclined to agree with the grow a thicker skin comment.
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What this boils down to in my opinion is some people are so thin skinned they'll get upset and become a victim of fear over virtually anything. It's not nice to have people shout at you but from time to time it is going to happen and the person being shouted at just has to deal with it. There are probably some people in the world that have such control over themselves and wouldn't shout at anyone or anything, in fact so monotonal their approach to life no one knows they are passionate about anything and some think they stopped being human a long time ago. Anger is a human emotion to deny its validity with respect to coping in a particular situation is to pretend you are no longer human.


So what you are saying is that the yellee (one being yelled at), needs to grow a thicker skin, so the yeller doesn't have to change his or her bad behavior?


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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 1/1/2009 1:47:01 AM   
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Tn, sometimes Daddy gets impatient with me and will yell* usual after I've said Daddy Daddy Daddy a ton of times in a ton of minutes and  I am pestering him for the 15th time he yells WHAT*, and It's exactly what I need to do, grow a thicker hide, because if my hide wasn't  so thin, I wouldn't over react to his abrupt shout of what!

Umm... are you serious? You know that you are pestering, and that your behaviour is going to make him snap at you, yet you still do it.... why? Then you are hurt when he behaves exactly like you know he will? I don't get that. I admit that I have about zero patience with repetative statements and, were I a Domme, such behaviour would meet with severe disapproval. 

On topic:
My ex once threw a set of keys through the wall at our friends' house while we were arguing about something rather minor . While it didn't make me fear that I was about to become his personal punching bag, his childish temper tantrum cost him major "respect"points.






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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 1/1/2009 3:18:57 AM   
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To the OP,

Because people need to live in a politically correct society wherein its forgotten that human's are animals and to actually acknowledge we are very primitive animals underneath it all.  So they try and make it seem like a bad thing and people love to throw around the word abuse because they are utilizing the negativity of something VERY serious and should not be thrown around haphazardly as i see it used on these forums so often.  I think its ridiculous how people throw this word around as a scare tactic and how they label people who they don't know, have never met, and will probably never meet as abusers or potential abusers as some concept of making themselves feel as if they are better than others.

There are all different types of people in the world some are pacifists, some are agressors, some are people who have quiet emotions, some people have loud emotions, some people are physically emotional (i.e. they hug when they are happy, they throw things when they are mad, they somehow physically express their emotions, some people keep it all within. 

Hell some of our countries favorite past times are aggressive in nature -- football, boxing, and some of the most facinating concepts for people include violence -- when a fight breaks out the crowds gather round, accidents on the road, hell even the news is mostly about violence that has occured (why, because that's what causes ratings because people watch!)

I personally think its sad that people have misused the term abuse so much that it has made many people afraid of a very natural emotion -- anger -- humans have and the physical expression of same that doesn't actually HURT someone because its directed at an object that can't be hurt.  EVERY person even the holier than thou ones who like to label people as abusers without knowing the actuality of that concept with regard to the person they are haphazardly labeling as many do on this site are potential abusers.  If they say they aren't they are lying to themselves which is the most dangerous abuser type person of them all.  We are primitive animals underneath all the politically correct surface, which means we all have a potential for violence against others -- which seems to be what people deem abusers.

They use it as a scare tactic because it makes them feel better to label people they don't know more than likely because they have somehow have been involved with someone who hurt them in someway that they feel better labeling it as abuse so they don't have to look to closely at their own responsibility in the relationships break down.  Now, don't get me wrong, there are people who have been abused, and there are people who thrive on the enjoyment of hurting someone for the concept of portraying power and control -- but someone simply losing their temper in a physical way that is not physical against a person is NOT abuse.  Motive is a concept that exists behind abuse, many people simply look at anger and feel better labeling it as abuse.

Believe me, i get disgusted with those people -- and yes you can see patterns of certain posters -- who read every issue a person posts about and somehow turns it into a concept of abuse by the person who the initial poster is complaining about.  Its overused, and haphazardly used by many and i think its sad so many people see it more as a cool thing to say instead of understanding what it really is.

Anger is not abuse -- violence is not abuse.  People need to understand if they use the word abuse they should not use it haphazardly for their own personal comfort and judgment for their personal feel good trigger.

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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 1/1/2009 3:38:45 AM   
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sometimes Daddy gets impatient with me and will yell* usual after I've said Daddy Daddy Daddy a ton of times in a ton of minutes and I am pestering him for the 15th time he yells WHAT*, and It's exactly what I need to do, grow a thicker hide, because if my hide wasn't so thin, I wouldn't over react to his abrupt shout of what!


i don't think you need a thicker hide, hon. I DO think "perstering" in that manner is uncalled for.

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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 1/1/2009 4:59:30 AM   
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Hell....If I get that angry I go to the driving range and hit a bucket or 2 of golf balls....no broken bones...no hurt feelings and when I am done I feel better!...

I can't hit the ball as straight as normal but, I sure hit them far!....It also works for frustration which is normally the main cause of any anger I might have.


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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 1/1/2009 5:11:25 AM   
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So what you are saying is that the yellee (one being yelled at), needs to grow a thicker skin, so the yeller doesn't have to change his or her bad behavior?



Well you are being a bit judgemental on what is bad behaviour because I see shouting at someone as completely normal and understandable if the person being shouted at is the one in the wrong and did something idiotic or totally incompetent. If you are saying people are free to make stupid mistakes and still be patted on the back and told good effort then we have to differ on this. I think the world you are living in was written by Walt Disney.

I know two managers with completely different management styles one is Mr Popular and the other is Mr Nasty. One of these people treats their employees as adults by holding them accountable and raising his voice from time to time and the other tries to get his employees to like him which usually just results in his employees taking liberties with his kindness. Maybe Mr Nasty is shouting at his employees and threatening them with disciplinary action because he'd rather not move on to actual disciplinary action. If you are in the wrong then being shouted at isn't the worst thing in the world and sometimes it’s the only way of making someone realise they are in the wrong.

Shouting at someone who doesn't deserve it now that is something different entirely. I’ve never believed in the saying ‘spare the rod spoil the child’ but now you seem to be moving this to the next level and people will end up saying ‘spare the loud voices spoil the child.’

 
It would be a nice world if some people could realise the seriousness of their mistakes without the need to be shouted at.


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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 1/1/2009 5:21:30 AM   
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So what you are saying is that the yellee (one being yelled at), needs to grow a thicker skin, so the yeller doesn't have to change his or her bad behavior?


Well you are being a bit judgemental on what is bad behaviour because I see shouting at someone as completely normal and understandable if the person being shouted at is the one in the wrong and did something idiotic or totally incompetent. If you are saying people are free to make stupid mistakes and still be patted on the back and told good effort then we have to differ on this. I think the world you are living in was written by Walt Disney.


I see someone who shouts on a regular basis as someone who has not learned to control himself or herself. If they want to make excuses for why they do it or claim that "everyone" else does it, that is fine. I will avoid them anyway. Amazingly enough, I haven't had to avoid many because of this. Most of the adult I know can control their emotions and don't feel the need to shout about everything that pisses them off.

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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 1/1/2009 5:31:01 AM   
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I see someone who shouts on a regular basis as someone who has not learned to control himself or herself. If they want to make excuses for why they do it or claim that "everyone" else does it, that is fine. I will avoid them anyway. Amazingly enough, I haven't had to avoid many because of this. Most of the adult I know can control their emotions and don't feel the need to shout about everything that pisses them off.

You can only ever see why you regularly shout at people not why someone else does unless you have mind reading abilities. I practically never shout at people, my job doesn’t require it. I respect the right of those that need to raise their voice to do so occasionally.

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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 1/1/2009 5:35:05 AM   
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the louder you shout...the less you are heard. People hear your anger...not your words.

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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 1/1/2009 5:38:17 AM   
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I see someone who shouts on a regular basis as someone who has not learned to control himself or herself. If they want to make excuses for why they do it or claim that "everyone" else does it, that is fine. I will avoid them anyway. Amazingly enough, I haven't had to avoid many because of this. Most of the adult I know can control their emotions and don't feel the need to shout about everything that pisses them off.

You can only ever see why you regularly shout at people not why someone else does unless you have mind reading abilities. I practically never shout at people, my job doesn’t require it. I respect the right of those that need to raise their voice to do so occasionally.


I don't regularly shout at people and don't really care why someone else does. I just avoid them.

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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 1/1/2009 5:38:50 AM   
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Sometimes you can't convey the seriousness of something without displaying such anger.

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RE: bad temper does not always equal abuse - 1/1/2009 5:42:30 AM   
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sometimes. but as a general rule you can display anger without damaging anyones eardrums. You can change your tone of voice, use body language, etc

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