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JustDarkness -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/7/2009 1:34:00 PM)

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that dominance isn't required by all doms

guess they are subs then ?




colouredin -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/7/2009 1:35:08 PM)

or something in between (I hear they exsist JD :P)




variation30 -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/7/2009 1:39:42 PM)

I would not be interested in a woman who didn't want to be held down and sodomized. I'm not into anal...fisting, though.

that having been said, it's your body and you should have whatever limits you want.




JustDarkness -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/7/2009 1:43:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

or something in between (I hear they exsist JD :P)


lol true

but I wondered if his non dominant Dom..was a joke or a typo  :P




AMaster -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/7/2009 2:04:21 PM)

It never has been for me, but now that you mention it.....................................




DavanKael -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/7/2009 4:22:20 PM)

I don't know what the percentages would be in terms of those who identify as Dominant males and desire anal activity.  I'd guess in excess of 95%.  (Maybe that's a question for the 'polls' section?!)
I want to draw a distinction, at least, for me, between anal sex and anal fisting.  Not that there is anything right or wrong about either but I see them as quite different as related to me.  One, I am highly enthusiastic about, the other, I am highly skeptical of in terms of potentially altering physiology in a quite substantive way on a permanent basis. 
Regarding your tensing up, op, that's pretty discomfort-assuring: relax, push out, be sure it's someone with whom you feel comfort and trust.  Not all givers of anal pleasure are equal in their expertise and it is something, just like most other things, where a person can improve their proficiency across time.  You may just not like anal but I'd not summarily dismiss the act over one person who was not adept or even several.  Then again, if it's not for you, it's not for you. 
Best wishes, 
  Davan




DarkVoyeur -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/8/2009 3:42:45 PM)

LOL I just realized I forgot to put quotation marks on the word "doms".
I'm reffering to the "doms" that only contact female Dommes, and the "doms" that turn into whiney bitches when women don't respond to an "on your knees bitch" email etcetera.




IronBear -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/8/2009 7:32:28 PM)

It's a personal issue between your Dominant and yourself....If a girl says she is against anal, I will respect that but, I will expect her to be able to argue her case for it being a hard limit rather than a case of :"No not now but perhaps sometime later".




SensibleSam -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/9/2009 12:01:19 AM)

If a male Dom wants to fist a woman, He's probably a liitle guy. Most of the porn fisting videos are girl on girl action. Large men have hands that are just too big.

If a male Dom insists on anal intercourse one always suspects that he's a secret homosexual. Vaginal intercourse simply feels better. Why stick your dick in a woman's anus unless it helps you to fantasize about fucking boys.

Anal intercourse and anus licking leads to disease. Hepatitis and amoebic dysentary for example are essentially never passed by the vagina. Butt plug use can be safe (and fun) but anything that involves contact with feces is likely to lead to infection.




GreedyTop -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/9/2009 12:04:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SensibleSam

If a male Dom wants to fist a woman, He's probably a liitle guy. Most of the porn fisting videos are girl on girl action. Large men have hands that are just too big.

I call bullshit on that. 

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If a male Dom insists on anal intercourse one always suspects that he's a secret homosexual. Vaginal intercourse simply feels better. Why stick your dick in a woman's anus unless it helps you to fantasize about fucking boys.

I call SERIOUS bullshit on that.

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Anal intercourse and anus licking leads to disease. Hepatitis and amoebic dysentary for example are essentially never passed by the vagina. Butt plug use can be safe (and fun) but anything that involves contact with feces is likely to lead to infection.


JESUS God almighty!!  WTF do you get this bullshit?





IronBear -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/9/2009 12:46:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

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ORIGINAL: SensibleSam

If a male Dom wants to fist a woman, He's probably a liitle guy. Most of the porn fisting videos are girl on girl action. Large men have hands that are just too big.

I call bullshit on that. 



I agree GT. I am a large bloke and there are few women who I have not been able to vaginally fist. Sounds like he want to and can't find a woman willing to let him.


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If a male Dom insists on anal intercourse one always suspects that he's a secret homosexual. Vaginal intercourse simply feels better. Why stick your dick in a woman's anus unless it helps you to fantasize about fucking boys.

I call SERIOUS bullshit on that.



Again I agree. This bloke knows nothing about anyone. Perhaps he is refering to the immage he sees in the shaving mirror.

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Anal intercourse and anus licking leads to disease. Hepatitis and amoebic dysentary for example are essentially never passed by the vagina. Butt plug use can be safe (and fun) but anything that involves contact with feces is likely to lead to infection.


JESUS God almighty!!  WTF do you get this bullshit?



Hatrick GT we are in complete agreement.. Either this bloke is trying to wind people up, he hsas awoke from going to sleep in the 1800s or is just a narrow minded ignoramus.





GreedyTop -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/9/2009 1:24:43 AM)

:) IB...

(did I mention I love the new pic?)




blushingmoonz -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/9/2009 1:33:07 AM)

Seems as if just because a Dom wants to fuck a girl's ass means he's secretly gay, seem's like GreedyTop has it all right.  Just because you like that doesn't mean your gay or want or wish to be.  While larger guys do tend to have larger hands and it makes it difficult or impossible for a particular sub to take, again it doesn't mean any thing other then what it is.  As for the disease issue, give me a break please!  Any thing that does not have proper safety guidelines followed will make you sick if its sick already.  Whether your kissing or anal/rimming, if its some one you know absolutely nothing about that's a carrier of only who knows what....guess what you're probably going to catch what ever they've got.  Don't read into any thing for more then what it is, if you don't like it, you don't like it end of story...make it known to your Dom why and what it is.  If its a soft limit, fine work on getting over that, if its hard let them know why and deal with it.  Just don't do it, and if for some reason he can't respect a hard limit then a serious talk is in order and perhaps even looking for some one who will listento/respect and accept that.  Limits are used for good reasons after all.  Don't over complicate things.

I can only speak about my only experiences with Master as I've not had any other partners but I was already interested anal sex and used to the sensations to an extent, it was enjoyable and I was more then happy to give it a try.  I never tensed the first time, and didn't have any issues with pain.  I was rather startled once, wasn't prepared and tensed which made it hurt quite a bit at first but after relaxing no problems.  Learning to relax is important, if you can't no matter what he does its going to be unwanted period.  Maybe a longer warm up would help getting you to relax and be more interested?  Its not a must for all Doms, its just a personal pref.  Fisting would be interesting but haven't crossed that yet, lots of work involved but it takes time to get used to being stretched like that.  Its not some thing that most can do in a session or two, least no one I know any way.  Limits are you to decide and should be discussed ever before taking a collar or for that matter before going into a session.  Communication is key before any thing happens, make sure you and him know what's expected and what is off limits before any thing happens.  Other wise a bad experience could happen that could be avoided.  You and your Dom should know very well what are hard limits to never be crossed and soft limits to work on as trust and your relationship matures.




GreedyTop -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/9/2009 1:37:15 AM)

ignore him, moonz.. he's bitter.




SensibleSam -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/9/2009 11:33:14 AM)

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ignore him, moonz.. he's bitter.


Not so. I'm rather happy this New Year. The economy's bad and the weather is cold but otherwise things seem swell.

IronBear is indeed pretty big (not quite as big as I am however). He must have rather small hands. Although I try often enough, I almost never find a woman whom I can vaginally fist. IronBear charges that I can't have had much experience. You hear this sort of attitude a lot on Web forums. People can't believe that anyone could hold an opinion contrary to their own for any legitimate reason. They usually ascribe to the other stupidity or ignorance.

I seem to have shocked IronBear and some others - my apologies.

As to my remark about homosexuality, IronBear admits that he is bisexual. There may very well be hetrosexual Doms who prefer anal intercourse, but IronBear's testimony on this topic isn't relevant. It hardly seems controversial for me to point out the obvious connection between anal intercourse and male homosexuality. I recognize that some nominally heterosexual male Doms also have a hankering for boys. Why should anyone be surprised that they like anal intercourse?

Disease: I have been accused of having attitudes appropriate to 1800. Actually it is rather the opposite. In 1800 there was no knowledge of germ theory, or antibiotics, or effective medicines. There was religious prejudice against all sorts of things including homosexuality. Today few educated people literally believe that various sexual practices violate the word of God. Today educated people are aware that male homosexuality carries a mortality/morbidity burden mostly from anal intercourse. Those who wish to deny this fact have an 1800 mindset. They haven't come face to face with modern medical facts and statistics.

AIDS for example is rather hard to spread if you don't indulge in shared IVs or anal sex. Male homosexuals have much higher STDs of all sorts and have shorter life spans too. A don't hate gay men. I rather prefer gay men to straight men in many business and social circumstances. I used to have a lot of male friends who were gay. No more. They're all dead now.

Gay men have little choice. They have anal intercourse, and it kills them. For hetrosexual men to adopt the anus as an alternate receptor for their penis is to engage in needlessly risky behavior.

This rather long note is an answer for this thread's topic "Is anal a must for all Doms?".




PanthersMom -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/9/2009 11:47:36 AM)

this makes my "heard it all" list for the day.  i'm sure i'll find a new high or low, depending on posts, tomorrow.  this site never disappoints in that respect, lol!
PM




Amaros -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/9/2009 1:37:43 PM)

Sounds like magical thinking to me - in any pathogen exchange, one partner has to be a carrier - if neither partner is a carrier, the risk of contracting an STD is Zero, it has to come from someplace.

As for the risk of damage, everybody has anal sex at least once a day (one hopes), excreting quite sizable on occasion, Phallic shaped objects, composed almost entirely of toxic pathogens, so given proper attention to causing any damage, a penis is considerably cleaner, and possibly even more comfortable - if you've ever suffered constipation due to dehydration, you know what I'm talking about.

In short, yes, there are risks, but they are calculated risks, not at all unavoidable or uncontrollable, and my advice to Sam would be to stop having casual sex with strangers - trust me, if I have casual sex, I treat my partner like like a level 3 biohazard - which can get pretty kinky.

Second, homosexuality is being attracted to the same sex, and sexual attraction is largely based on biology, i.e., sight, sound, smell, etc.

In all of my years of experience, I have never known the anal sphincter to be and exclusively male attribute, if it's gay just because men have them too, then you might consider that oral sex, or or any activity other than strict vaginal intercourse makes you "gay", and at that point you might as well just admit that if that's true, we're all gay, some of us are just pretending otherwise, even if you happen to prefer female partners exclusively.

I mean I could do a guy, unloaded of it's social connotations, it's just an act, I just have no urge to do so, whereas doing a woman requires no particular strain. It would be like going to a buffet and eating gruel instead of Prime Rib for me - I mean I could do it, but why? No offense, but I'd rather jack off - of course some people think that's gay too.

In short, one cannot assess sexual orientation from a single act, even having homosexual sex doesn't make you a homoseuxal - homosexuality is essentially excluding the opposite sex, i.e, a complete absence of desire, with respect to ones desire for sexual activity with members of one own sex.

For the record, I imagine gays feel much the same way about being gay: one is attracted to what one is attracted to regardless of anyone's political opinions on the subject and it's no skin off my nose, it's difficult, if not impossible, to argue with biology.

Sexual identity is another matter altogether, many homosexual men still feel like men, and they are men, other feel like women, even though they are chromosomally men, and again, why argue? The point being that some women seem to feel that anal sex masculinizes them, which is odd considering that we consider it feminizing to the point of no return when it comes to men doing it - go figure. As I say, sexual identity is another matter altogether.

As you might guess, yes, I like anal, I like that idea that a woman isn't holding out on me, that she will deny me nothing, that she is willing to open herself physically and psychologically to me without reservation - having said that, if you have medical or physical issues that prevent you from enjoying it, or might cause you problems physical or otherwise, it's not a deal breaker. If it's strictly a psychological limit, bad experiences in the past, etc. (avoidance of which the best reason for not being an ass about the ass), then I'd expect you to try and overcome it, to me, this is all about pushing limits, physical and psychological - you, and the other hand, are entitled to think anything you want in that regard and make you choices accordingly.

I'm not sure I could form a lasting relationship with somebody who's not on the same page, but one is obligated to respect others stated limits. The fact is that many things are simply not enjoyable if you aren't psychologically prepared for them, and without getting into the whole issue of what dominance or submission means, hedonic and agonistic stimulus don't always mix, some are either or, some have distinct preferences - being more of a hedonist than a sadist, I don't derive any particular pleasure from the pain of others, unless they happen to derive pleasure from it, i.e., as a means to an end - you might just succeed at turning someone off about something that they may well come to enjoy greatly at some other point in time, and if you simply insist upon it, without regard to the nuances of the person you're doing it with then it might indicate an unhealthy compulsion - on the other hand, if you're with somebody with unhealthy compulsions, one must wonder why this may be.

Again, in short, if a dom insists on doing something you find humiliating and or painful against your wishes (short of hard limits), then you have found a sadist - if it happens you are not a masochist, you might want to consider either moving on or trying to trip on masochism for a while, you never know.

I do enjoy vaginal fisting and dilation, that open thing again, it has nothing to do with the size of my penis, which is at least adequate, I've never had any complaints, it's more of a psychological thing for me, something I derive a great deal of psychological satisfaction from - it's complicated.

Anal fisting is an option, if you're into it, but I wouldn't insist on it, it doesn't fascinate me particularly - and not everybody is capable of vaginal fisting either, some women are just not built for it - technically, anything smaller than the head of a baby ought to fit, but much of that has to do with physiological response, the release of certian hormones, and childbirth is still fairly traumatic physically for some women more than others.

I don't believe in forcing it to the point of pain, unless you happen to be a hardcore masochist - in other words, it isn't that "if you're going be with me, you're going to fist and do anal", but is somebody who enjoys that is a definite plus. On the other hand, many do enjoy the release (or congestion) of agonistic stimulus, everybody has their own trip here.

I think that outside of basic physical discomfort, it really boils down to whether or not you trust the person, how far you are willing to go to submit, how secure you are, etc. - submission is just as subjective as domination once you abstract it to any level beyond mere simple physical force.

There are women who have a psychological problems with fisting and dilation, etc., whether they have not yet calculated all the risks and are playing it safe, or whether they have social concerns - vaginal tightness is a "selling point" for women presumabley, and they don't want to risk losing their value in the market - others may have full blown neurosis on the subject, and it is something I would fell compelled to get to the bottom of, so to speak.





ViperProductions -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/9/2009 1:41:23 PM)

Personally, I enjoy anal. However, I do not require it in my relationships. If I bring it up during a scene, it's because I beleive that it's something both of us will find erotic and enjoyable after my sub gets used to it.




CalifChick -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/9/2009 1:46:09 PM)

It's a "must" for any dom that I'm with, or he can take his non-anal-activities elsewhere.


Cali




ViperProductions -> RE: Is anal a must for all Doms???? (1/9/2009 1:50:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

It's a "must" for any dom that I'm with, or he can take his non-anal-activities elsewhere.


Cali



Topping from the bottom, eh? :-p I guess we know how much you like anal then, eh?




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