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RE: Substitute term for "slave" - 1/16/2009 1:31:56 AM

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Being a slave doesn't hold any negative connotation for me. In the Old Testament, Joseph was sold into slavery and made the decision to be then something of value, eventually becoming the most powerful man in Egypt, second only to Pharoh and I don't recall anywhere where he actually was "freed". Even in the ugly history of the United States, slaves were routinely placed in positions of power and authority. Historically, people did not pay good money to have something worthless. Historically, slave rarely meant captured against ones will, but families in need would "sell" a family member who they felt would have the most value in order to keep the rest of the family from starvation. No, there's no dishonor in being a slave. The dishonor belongs to bad Masters who abused their property.

Master most often refers to me as His "old lady" when speaking to people outside of the lifestyle. Those who understand the honor that implies will understand, those who don't, never will.

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RE: Substitute term for "slave" - 1/16/2009 5:47:26 AM

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Historically, bondwoman or leman would fit. Trivia, the term "slave" comes from the fact that the Romans took so many of the germanic tribe of slav the name became synonymous with the term "servus" which is latin for "slave".

Anyway.. she used the term "slave", I just say "MINE!"

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RE: Substitute term for "slave" - 1/16/2009 6:33:54 AM

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It's true that in classical times, slavery had slightly different connotations, slaves were more like trusted members of the household, some even attained very high status.

It really wasn't until the institution of American slavery that the term took on it's connotations of helplessness, slaves were objectified as, and treated like animals, i.e., subhuman, largely promulgated in defense of the institution, but there are some hints of it in Biblical accounts involving slavery as well.

And, to be honest, there are examples of both fantasies at work in BDSM, and a "slave" can range from abject objectification (cages, leashes, etc.) to a more classical service role.

Personally I'm more attracted to the classical form, but the other is fun to play around with if your partner is into objectification.

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RE: Substitute term for "slave" - 1/16/2009 6:35:59 AM

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It's true that in classical times, slavery had slightly different connotations, slaves were more like trusted members of the household, and often attained very high status.

It really wasn't until the institution of American slavery that the term took on it's connotations of helplessness, slaves were objectified as, and treated like animals, i.e., subhuman, largely promulgated in defense of the institution, but there are some hints of it in Biblical accounts involving slavery as well.

And, to be honest, there are examples of both fantasies at work in BDSM, and a "slave" can range from abject objectification (cages, leashes, etc.) to a more classical service role, and everything in between.

Personally I'm more attracted to the classical form, but the other is fun to play around with if your partner is into objectification.

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RE: Substitute term for "slave" - 1/21/2009 4:44:50 PM

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So after re-reading all the posts, and given my predispositions about what turns me on and more, the word "captive" strikes me as a good substitute for "slave," for use within the BDSM community, not outside the community, as folks prefer.

captive.

With safe, sane and consensual always as a premise, "captive" suggests the arousing dynamic that appeals to me, sort of a mix of play abduction and her being swept off her feet, me being in control, yet satisfying her fantasy and need as well. captive jennifer, captive sarah, etc.... <substitute male terms as it fits for you>

Thank you.

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RE: Substitute term for "slave" - 1/22/2009 8:33:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

It's true that in classical times, slavery had slightly different connotations, slaves were more like trusted members of the household, and often attained very high status.

It really wasn't until the institution of American slavery that the term took on it's connotations of helplessness, slaves were objectified as, and treated like animals, i.e., subhuman, largely promulgated in defense of the institution, but there are some hints of it in Biblical accounts involving slavery as well.

And, to be honest, there are examples of both fantasies at work in BDSM, and a "slave" can range from abject objectification (cages, leashes, etc.) to a more classical service role, and everything in between.

Personally I'm more attracted to the classical form, but the other is fun to play around with if your partner is into objectification.

Dont forget that slave making evolved as a way of making use of your captured enemies rather than killing them off.

Slavery was different in Rome yes, but it had its share of cruelty, dehumanization and barbarism, too. Torturing the defendant's slave during trial to get the truth during questioning wasn't uncommon. Just one example.

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RE: Substitute term for "slave" - 1/22/2009 8:16:01 PM

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Instead it might be better to teach/show people about different past forms of slavery that similiar in nature to a BDSM form of slave

example Aztec slavery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_slavery

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RE: Substitute term for "slave" - 1/24/2009 10:33:37 AM

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....Understanding that most of the larger world sees the term "slave" as meaning human trafficking of a person who has been forced into servitude.... that "slave" is not the "slave" meant in the BDSM community; the "slave" in the BDSM community involves a consensual aspect that is key....

The term "consensual slavery" seems most apt to me.

Though some might argue that it's an oxymoron.

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RE: Substitute term for "slave" - 1/24/2009 10:45:59 AM

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I wonder why there isnt more debate of the meanings and usages of the term submissive. it seems to actually cover waaay more territory than slave does.

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