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KaineD -> RE: Gaza/Israel situation (1/18/2009 8:27:21 AM)
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Irael has the right of self defense.
Not at any cost. And the Palestinians have the right to their own state, which the Israelis have denied them for 60 years.
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Once the first rocket was fired by Hamas into Israel,
This conflict didn't begin with Hamas.
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there is no "tit-for-tat" requirement (oh, that rocket killed 2 Israelis .... let's get a sniper in the local Arab market to kill two Hamas members. We wanna be proportional in our response, ya know ....).
Well, why not? You're telling me that the highly trained IDF, and the millions of dollars of military hardware, they can't get accurate strikes on Hamas? And why use phosphorus shells at all? Still, no one in this thread has been able to justify that one for me. Of the 1, 300 dead (at least) how many are Hamas?
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The Israel government is responsible for taking action to protect it citizens. They are allowed to take any action to make them safe.
Not according to international law. The longer this conflict was going on, the angrier the international world was getting, and Olmert was forced to apologize to the UN for attacking UN targets.
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Hamas is the one responsible for the uneven causalities: It was too incompetent to kill enough Israelis' to make a difference, and was too incompetent to protect it citizens from the consequences of its' own actions.
Too poverty ridden. Their rockets are homemade.
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More propaganda. An emotional attack, rather than a "logical" attack.
Let's face it, logical arguments don't seem to cut it with a lot of people here. I don't think the emotional impact of what's happened in Gaza should be ignored. For as sad as the three civilian deaths are on the Israeli side, the humanitarian impact on the Gaza side is many, many times worse.
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The "scale" isn't important. The important question for Israel is "Did we kill enough, and of the correct type of Hamas members to stop the attacks on our citizens?"
The scale is important. Of course it is. 14 vs 1, 300 kind of makes any justification for Israel "defending themselves" seem ludicrous. Who really needs defended? It's not a war so much as a massacre, a genocide.
Another reason scale is important. Say 400 of the 1, 300 dead were Hamas members. Great, that's a lot of dead Hamas. But crap, for every dead Hamas member, about ten more are going to want to JOIN Hamas to avenge their dead friends and family. Why don't you realize that?
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If the answer turns out to be "no" then more Palestinians will die.
And Israel will be fully justified.
Genocide isn't justifiable.
The IRA when they were active, killed at least 30 people with just one bomb. All civilians.
Should the people in London have went absolutely mad, lost their minds, and decide to flatten West Belfast to the ground to get a handful of terrorists?
They say 'Bloody Sunday', the day when British soldiers shot dozens of innocent catholics, was the greatest recruitment drive Britain could have given to the IRA. How many people can Hamas recruit after the deaths of so many civilians in Gaza?
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