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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:13:39 AM   
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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:17:50 AM   
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Okay, who's up for a game of Tarocco?

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:20:11 AM   
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I'm curious what makes a set of Tarot cards Tarot cards do they need to be bathed in holy water or can I interpret a standard set of playing cards the same way and find out who is going to suffer the jack of spades or has a bit of eight of diamonds in their future?


Actually, you take 13 vestal virgins, add in a pinch of graveyard dirt, 6 eye of newt and a dash of pure  vampire blood. Mix all together, recite incantations from the Egyptian Book of the Dead and passages from The Satanic Bible in a full moon in May. Oh ya....offer your soul to Anubis and Baal

eta: my apologies to Aneirin for this burst of sarcasm. It's not directed at your query.



No no no I heard it was a special potion, made from herbs hand plucked by 27 blind Chinese virgins under the first summer full moon, mixed with the blood of a three legged black cat, mixed together with the poo of a komodo dragon, then all blessed by Kwan Yin while being rubbed all over the persons face.

Wait a minute.....that's my face cream. Silly me.

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:20:20 AM   
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I watched the tarot laid during a Tolkien lustrum (using a self made Tolkien tarot, of course). The client was spilling his guts out. I determined immediately that it was a powerful psychoanalytical tool - and that I would never have the tarot laid for me. (Too many secrets that ought to stay in my guts.)

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:23:08 AM   
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It can be difficult to get ones querant to shut the fuck up and listen, now that you mention it

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:25:11 AM   
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      If you were to really embrace the meanings you assign to the cards, and not just be screwing around, then yes.  Lots of things can be used for divination.

Doesn't this just discredit Tarot cards though the fact that someone had to write words on them when they'd have been better off leaving the mechanism as open to interpretation as possible i.e. if you want to be able to interpret something without bias then you can't really interpret words that already have meanings in a new way. Would be better to interpret symbols and for each person to have their own idea of what each symbol means? If that is the case then we can all have our own meanings for symbols and there would be no common thread to link one persons ideas as to what something means to another. Don't you see that all we are doing here is linking deep seated psychological fears/hopes through common imagery?

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A medium will interpret the cards. The cards have no intrinsic value. Therein lies the secret of divination, Raechard, you cynic, you :-) .


This is interesting, why the dramatic imagery? I've heard people say the death card is about renewal, well then can I suggest that renewal is best represented by the recycling symbol and not a harbinger of death.

Yes I’m a cynic, guilty.


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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:28:39 AM   
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Okay, who's up for a game of Tarocco?


That game,if I'm not mistaken is played across Europe.

On the subject of Europe, the Marseilles Tarot is NOT FUCKING WELCOME in the bar in the right hand corner of Marseilles harbour (I suspect that the owner has devout religious convictions that leave him unafraid of getting convicted for murdering all those in posession of Tarot cards)

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:29:43 AM   
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Symbolism, it's all about symbolism. Tarot is an ancient art. They didn't do subtlety so well in those days.

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:29:47 AM   
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(he does have a big tool.........)

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:29:51 AM   
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My deck doesnt have any writing on it.. just pics and symbols.

I don't see that using other things for divination discredits Tarot, Rae..  in my understanding, any divination tool is used as a focusing tool, if that makes sense?

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:29:56 AM   
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This is interesting, why the dramatic imagery? I've heard people say the death card is about renewal, well then can I suggest that renewal is best represented by the recycling symbol and not a harbinger of death.

Yes I’m a cynic, guilty.



Entirely depends on the set you use Rae.  Not all sets have the harbinger of death as the representation on the card that is considered the death card.
 
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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:30:37 AM   
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I have read Tarot for some 14 years now, I only read what the cards say and I try not to read too much into them. When I read Tarot I explain what the card represents to me and how I interpret the card. I read Asterith which is Cause and Effect Tarot meaning that it may be someting that had already affected them or something that has yet to happen or something that is happening now. I find it is easier to relate to a specific situation where Many Tarot readers simply read Past Present Future and leave thier customers with this very vague idea.

I do not believe I am divine, I do not believe I know Magic or Majik. And I do not not believe I am special in my ability to read cards. I believe that every time someone touches something they affect it. If I have a person shuffle a set of card enough times I believe that they will leave thier mark Physically and Metaphycially on the cards. I believe that if I ask them to select a stack of cards that they feel inclined to pick that that set of cards will hold a message. If I read JUST what the cards tell me and try to explain what I am seeing be it an Physical or emotional event then it is up to them to decifer how it physically affects them in their life.

Is it Magic? Maybe but I see it as one individual taking a serious look at thier life and trying to make sence of it and for me that makes reading Tarot worth while. I have done it for years and I try really hard not to read for friends or Family because I think I would be tempted to read more into the cards than was actually there. I have read Tarot for free and for Money and I have to say that no matter who I read for they have ALWAYS seens something in the cards that I read even if it isn't what I see.

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:31:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

They didn't do subtlety so well in those days.


Neither do I .......... maybe that's why.....

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:31:52 AM   
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A medium will interpret the cards. The cards have no intrinsic value. Therein lies the secret of divination, Raechard, you cynic, you :-) .


When doing a Tarot spread the cards glean meaning from the surrounding cards, there isnt a fixed 'if you get this card you will get a new job' its all about context. There are also neumerous ways to read tarot ranging from a general reading to specific questions. I dont know what other peoples experiance of Tarot is but I have known people to get pretty much the same set of cards on three our four consecutive readings (when reading for friends they like to see if the meaning changes)

Another interesting thing that some believe about Tarot cards is that you should never buy your own set, however because they have to feel right to you I am not sure whether I go with this. I do believe however that you should never place them on the ground (I have a special mat for my Tarot and Runes because of energy forces)

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:38:17 AM   
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      The doctor and the tarot both told me I was going to die.  Only one of them was right.

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:40:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

My deck doesnt have any writing on it.. just pics and symbols.

I don't see that using other things for divination discredits Tarot, Rae..  in my understanding, any divination tool is used as a focusing tool, if that makes sense?


Just like Runes, tea leaves, crystals, and all the other forms of divination.


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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:41:22 AM   
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     The doctor and the tarot both told me I was going to die.  Only one of them was right.


Eventually death comes to all us mortals, so in the end both are right.


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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:47:30 AM   
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I use the Rider-Waite deck, and I use the official meanings of the cards very loosely just to point me in a particular direction and then I let a more specific interpretation just come to me.   Whatever comes off the top of my head the quickest is usually more accurate than thinking into it too much.  I don't read tarot professionally or anything like that, I just do it for myself and for a friend here or there.  At any rate, no one touches my deck except me, unless someone is shuffling them for their reading.  I've read for friends over the phone, in which case I will shuffle them while I'm talking to the person, then do a layout or two and see what comes up.  You're also supposed to keep them wrapped in a cloth, rather than in the box.  Not sure of why that is, but it seems to feel right.  I cut a big square out of an old sheet and drew a layout diagram on it, and that's what I keep them wrapped in.  When I want to use them, I just unwrap them, then use the cloth with the diagram on it to lay the cards out.  Specific positions in the layout represent different aspects such as the past, present and future etc. 

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:49:45 AM   
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I been reading tarot for 4 decades as well as teach it. I also am trying to create my own tarot deck. When I teach tarot, I forbid books, I prefer they open to the intuitiveness of the cards. The symbols are rich with a lot of information and a good reading is similar to having your story read, past, present and future. For me a deck of tarot is similar to being the white rabbit going through the rabbit hole, in Alice in Wonderland, you will be intrigues what you will discover. Books are okay but tend to block people's intuition, from my experience in teaching people. We all have psychic ability, that is not a magical gift of the universe. IMO, we are spirit with the spirit senses, which includes those psychic abilites.

Yes, I am passionate about the tarot. If you choose to learn, I hope you enjoy the journey, and it never ends
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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:49:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

For those of you here that use the Tarot, I have but one question, how does it work ?

I have read various articles on the subject ranging from hocus pocus to psychology, and am aware certain psychotherapists use it in their practice, so what is it a game of chance playing on superstition, or something other ?



Understand that any sort of magical paraphenalia is a Tool - one specifically used to create a certain psychological/spiritual mood, and in so doing open up emotional, mental and spiritual pathways in the mind.  They are there to help us focus our spiritual energies on a desired goal.  They do not create the focus - we ourselves do - they are simply a Visible reminder of which areas of our memory, emotions, or thoughts need to be dedicated To that focus for the duration of while we're working on something.
 
Cards, Runestones, and other types of divinatory tool remind us to focus our emotional and spiritual energies towards a brief - and usually a bit blurry - glimpse of the future, either our own or someone else's.  They all use symbology to help us tap into our own subconscious, lending themselves to often effective means of piecing together the unconscious knowledge we have of likely consequences to strings of seemingly unrelated events.  The tools of divination facilitate jumps in intuitive logic.
 
Many - if not most - believe that a deck "should not" be handled except by the person who is going to be specifically reading them.  They are believed, as many other Tools of magic are believed, to absorb the .... Leaks.... excess.... of spiritual energies exuded by their owner/handler.  All things, if handled frequently, will pick up the spiritual traces of those who have handled it - something which becomes a Focal Point picks up that much more of a trace.  They become .... imbued, if you will..... with a sort of "resevoir" of energy which can then be tapped, along with the emotional/spiritual energy which is current within the body.  Think of it sort of like drinking a spiritual red bull to give you that extra boost before doing something difficult.  
 
My own belief - and practice - is that I am the only one who Routinely handles any of my various decks, though I will allow others to handle the deck briefly (like long enough to shuffle it) just prior to doing a reading for them. (I currently have 7 - ranging from a simple Rider Waithe deck to a Catpeople deck to a Daughters of the Moon round deck to a well done reproduction of a 15th century deck.)   My favorite is a toss up between my Catpeople deck and my Daughters of the Moon deck - both have symbology that appeals to me.  I learned with a Rider Waithe deck, because it's symbology is the most commonly used/easily interpreted/universal - and it was the first deck given to me.

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