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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:51:08 AM   
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I agree about the family and friends thing Steel,especially when you have the experience you have, objectivity becomes more difficult,if ever I am asked to do one,I am inclined to photograph the spread and work on a "textbook" reading,"interpretation"will always include things you know already which in turn tends to draw you into tunnel vision or wishful thinking.

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 11:51:55 AM   
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Does that mean you wont read for me? *kiss*

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:00:12 PM   
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See and when I first started in my Adolensence (Because Magic was Cool) I tried the Poloroid and Literally getting out the Text Books and going to the many different "Cat's Caldertons" and "Psychic Eye, Book Stores" and eventually what I found was that many different combinations are different depending on which "Expert" you ask.

What I found with doing Spreads on your Family is that you see what you WANT to see and you can make any combination work for what you WANT to see. I could take a standard Tarot Deck and then take three different experts versions of the same deck and make it say just about anything which is why I went to Asterith as my reasing style it deals with Cause and effect and the card physically touching the other is the only connection betwen two specific cards. It makes for a very dry reading but there is less Devine Intervention meaning that the read is static. This is what it says to me, the interpritation is up to the individual being read. I can only offer suggestions on where to look. For instance if I get a Lot of Emotional and Spiritual Cards I suggest that they take a firm look at relationships be they sexual or maternal, if I get a lot of Financial and Emotional cards I ask if they are thinking about quitting their job and then I suggest that they put some serious thought into if it is really the right idea or not. If I get a LOT of divine intervenion cards (Death, The Moon, The Sun., The Tower, The Fool) I suggest they get a Journal and start writing about what goes on in thier life and when things happen to just roll with them but to keep not of thier decisions when they make one so that when things go bad they can look into the decision that moved it that direction.

As I said I have NEVER had anyone NOT see something in the reading I gave but it was THEM who saw it I just read what the cards said to me.

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:07:47 PM   
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Them things, just as bad; if you throw a die what is the probability it will land on the six? In time every permutation of cards, dice, leaves will occur and it brings no greater significance that it occurred when you personally threw them, shuffled them or dealt them. It’s not like mathematicians haven’t been doing these exercises for years as the basis of studies into probability. If you are saying the outcome is affected by the personal circumstances of the person conducting the test then we can’t believe anything that hinges on laws or probability or statistics can we? Not a world I want to live in if that true. People can’t have it both ways they can either believe in the fairness of the test or they can believe no two tests conducted the same way will ever produce the same results. We’ve proven otherwise, many times. No one has a higher chance of winning the lottery because their numbers are personal to them or because they deserve it, people win because they are lucky there is no mysticism about it they were just in the right place at the right time.
 
Someone once said to me here on a harry potter thread that it must be really sad being me and having no magic in my life. I tend to think as soon as you start looking for other explanations to your own personal luck or seeking guidance from others who know nothing of you, you are no longer in the driving seat to your own life and you may as well hope for the magic you could just as easily get from manipulating real life circumstances. You will never cross the road if a black cat walked across your path or walk through a triangular door? I will. Also if a perfect stranger gives me insight into my life I will dismiss it as probably doing more harm than good, unless it is the kind of universal be happy live longer tosh.
 

 

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:10:18 PM   
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Raechard, are you a Libra  ?

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:10:27 PM   
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Someone once said to me here on a harry potter thread that it must be really sad being me and having no magic in my life. I tend to think as soon as you start looking for other explanations to your own personal luck or seeking guidance from others who know nothing of you, you are no longer in the driving seat to your own life and you may as well hope for the magic you could just as easily get from manipulating real life circumstances.  



Differant people get comfort from differant things, for some its spirituality, some its science, none is better than the other. Its what we ourselves need to believe. If you think destiny would mean that you arent in the driving seat then no one is forcing you to believe in it. For others it doenst mean that at all.

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:16:17 PM   
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Does that mean you wont read for me? *kiss*


Get a room....LOL

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:18:09 PM   
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Got one in just a few days ;)

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:18:51 PM   
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Does that mean you wont read for me? *kiss*


Of course not babe, you are a special exception, I would take my special approach.

(then I'll read your cards, if we have any time left )

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:19:59 PM   
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SO I started writing this in response to Raechard's question about using ordinary playing cards as tarot, then just decided to write my responses to everyone in the entire thread... thereby creating a really long post (tm).

EDIT: And it appears there was a ton of posts while I was writing 

You could, it would be severely difficult and not really tarot so much.

Tarot 'works' because of the archetypes of what is depicted ON the card (less so the numbers, more so the pictures, which also incorporate the numbers). When I used to read tarot more often I focused less on the usual standards of meaning and such, and applied only trend and instinct with the artwork on the cards. Different numbers have trends (I believe it was... sevens that were one of the big conflict numbers? I don't know, it's been two years since I seriously studied tarot) in their meaning, as do the different person cards and each of the major arcana. Aces, for instance, are the 'pure' energy of the suit. Unadulterated, almost feral (in my opinion) and with the right combination can be highly discouraging, or very encouraging.

kittinSol talks about 'fluids' where I choose 'energies' but I believe that we're talking about the same thing, here.

In any case, I was mildly successful at readings because I usually was there to guide the reader (what I called the person I was 'reading' for) to their own conclusions. It usually started with an explanation of the spread that they chose (the way the cards would be laid) while they shuffled the deck and I focused on some hocus pocus type stuff (mainly energy-sharing work to create a temporary 'bond' between myself and the reader, which would then extend to the bond I have with my cards... if you believe in that stuff, that is Otherwise I'm just intently watching them shuffle the deck of cards, to you). I would then take the deck from them and hold it to them sideways (the long way facing them) and ask them to place it down. This is to help decide which cards within the deck will be upside-down and which won't. Usually they're sitting right next to me, if they aren't I invite them over so that they can see precisely what I'm reading from... then I facilitate THEM reading the cards individually (by giving pushes, nudges, and short explanations after asking them to examine and dissect each card one at a time) and applying that reading as a whole within the pattern. It's a fun little exercise, too, and a very light level of seriousness. Enough so that it IS serious, but not enough that it's all dark and dreary.

There's a glimpse into how I do it. I can't really explain it too much in text beyond that (especially because so much depends on the spread, the cards within the pattern, and even the depictions on the cards). :)

And, also, note that MY cards have very few words on them... they have roman numerals (so that I don't have to freaking count how many pentacle symbols there are, or exactly how many swords are on the boat, that sort of thing) and for 'face' cards they have which face they are. When it comes to major arcana, I wish that there would be no words on them at all, much more powerful, in my opinion. No one had to write words or meanings, the symbols used and depicted are (as I said before) archetypes that are fairly universal, though they do sometimes imply different things between cultures which is, in itself, an interesting study.

Re: Death:

Ok, I had to go dig out my cards for this :P I hope that you guys take the credit if I start reading more seriously again. Keep in mind that the major arcana cards (of which there are 22, 0-21) tell a story of the life of a man (in the non-gender specific sense). Death is number 13 (the 14th installment of the story), and represents (usually) a shedding of the self from The Hanged Man (number 12), and the beginning of a 'new' way to live life. Sometimes it's seen as the instigator of the mid-life crisis, in joking around, since directly after it comes Temperance (the good), then The Devil (the bad), then The Tower (the ugly).

I have two decks, one traditional rider-waite and a non-tradition set of more gothic cards.

Rider-Waite: The picture is of a skeleton knight riding a majestic white horse with red eyes and bearing a black flag with a white symbol. At the horse's feet is an older person laying on the ground, a child kneeling and facing the knight, a woman kneeling and looking away from the knight, and a bishop standing before the knight both hands outstretched, palms together, the sun coming down on the horizen, above his hat.

Gothic: A man in a tuxedo holds the right hand of a woman in a red dress in his own right hand while pulling back a dark green curtain with a rose on them. Between them is a small table with four squares (black and red in a checkered pattern) and a king, queen, bishop, knight, rook, and a pawn (left to right) on it. Behind the curtain can be seen a body of red liquid plainly 'angry' and a dark sky with a single bolt of lightning hitting the liquid in the distance.

In both decks there is no 'traditional' representation of Death as a harbinger, really... I'd even argue the opposite. In my Rider-Waite I'd argue the bishop is 'rebuking' the skeleton knight (to put DnD terms onto it).

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:22:35 PM   
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Got one in just a few days ;)


show off....lol



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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:22:48 PM   
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Raechard, are you a Libra  ?


Yes I am, as it happens

People often recognise the qualities of their star sign in themselves because they’ve been told from childhood what it means to be this star sign and so they emulate it subconsciously and then recognise it subsequently as if it was always a quality they had.

In that respect I’m just like Fox News ‘Fair and balanced.’


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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:23:19 PM   
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Does that mean you wont read for me? *kiss*


Of course not babe, you are a special exception, I would take my special approach.

(then I'll read your cards, if we have any time left )

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:23:24 PM   
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There's different approaches when it comes to bias, some people can and will read their own.

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:24:16 PM   
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Does that mean you wont read for me? *kiss*


Of course not babe, you are a special exception, I would take my special approach.

(then I'll read your cards, if we have any time left )

Pirate


ok you two, cut it out...wedding will be here soon enough....you can drool over each other then....lol

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:24:36 PM   
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Of Course Pirate, I was only reasoning why I won't.

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:25:22 PM   
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Raechard, are you a Libra  ?


Yes I am, as it happens



I rock.

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:26:46 PM   
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Does that mean you wont read for me? *kiss*


Of course not babe, you are a special exception, I would take my special approach.

(then I'll read your cards, if we have any time left )

Pirate


ok you two, cut it out...wedding will be here soon enough....you can drool over each other then....lol


Wedding?? Who's waiting for the wedding?  He'll be here Thursday!

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:28:37 PM   
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um....you're supposed to hold off until the honeymoon?

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RE: Tarot - 1/18/2009 12:30:09 PM   
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When I have read Tarot cards, there has always been varying degrees of three processes:  psychoanalytical, spiritual, and intuitive that I've used. 

At times, I do feel a strong connection spiritually which  manifests itself in an over powering chill that ripples throughout my body.  Those readings were always very accurate (prophetic divinitaion validated by the message, event or whatever was told by the cards, coming true), and they always had a specific message that was provided to the person I was reading for.  I've never had that kind of a connection with anyone I knew intimately or was close to, I think it goes with the same reasoning SteelofUtah uses, when it comes to family and friends. 

Sometimes, its an intuitive process that the symbology of the cards, and how they relate to each other in the spread, provides the catalyst to the creative aspects of our mind/psyche.  Some believe in a universal conscious or Akashic records, some believe that the symbology of the cards, accesses race memories (for lack of a better word) that the intuitive reader can draw upon. 

Sometimes, when there's no connection and when I am not intuitively inspired by a reading it can become a pscyhoanalytical tool used to guide communication between myself and the one I am doing the reading with.  As I explain the symbology of the cards, the individual interprets the card's meaning for themselves.  At these times, even though I did not have a strong connection, and the symbology was not intuitively gleamed by me personally, I've never questioned the reading, simply because what is true for the person who interprets the cards usually becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy anyway.



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