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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/21/2009 11:48:46 PM   
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... his race shouldn't have a thing to do with his job performance.


Of course his race should have nothing to do with his job performance, him being black or white does not affect his ability as a President. But it is still such an amazing thing to see a black man becoming the President of the United States. I mean, think of how HUGE of a step that is from the days of slavery. It's something I think everyone should be proud of -- not in the sense of "oh lookie we elected a black man to do this, let's pat ourselves on the back," but in the sense that society has advanced to the point where Barack Obama can be the President.


I personally believe that has been possible during most of my entire lifetime (I'm 50).

We simply haven't had a black man of his caliber until today to vote for. He won because he was the better choice...black or white.

Had he run in 1980, he would have had just as much opportunity (however, Reagan would have likely trounced him).

Here's an intriguing thought however....(one I'm confident I'll get lambasted for).

Had 95% of whites voted for McCain (as 95% of blacks did for Obama), the newspapers would have been printing their dailies on overtime to discuss how racist that was.

How come no one mentions how racist it was for 95% of blacks to have voted for Obama?



95% of African Americans voted for the Dems, just like they normally do. Obama being an African-American had little to do with it. The friends I have who are AA are not totally convinced Obama was the best choice, but he was a hell of a lot better than McSame/Moose.

Why black folk vote for the Dems is another thread.

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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/21/2009 11:58:32 PM   
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I don't know who is worshiping Obama.    I don't know why some conservatives and haters insist on shoving that word down people's throats, just because those of us who think the best man for the job won, are happy about this occasion.   M


Neither do I, MAAM. What I have concluded is that the conservatives in question can't stand the fact that none of their leaders have ever aroused such a movement in the population that Obama has. They know it's not worship: they hate that it's not worship. They would like for it to be worship though, but they know how much the American people have grown-up: they are no longer easily manipulated. Gone are the days of the Karl Rove magic tricks. People have their eyes wide-open, and there is no illusion over the fact that Obama and his team are fallible, but there hasn't been such hope and optimim in a long time either - especially in the face of such economic devastation - and that really, really grates, for some of  those who did not vote for the man...

That is a damn insightful post, Kitten. The Bushevik Cult of Personality is based on the ideology of the right. The Obama "movement" is based on people getting together to try and make a better country. The impotent rage of the Right is palpable. They only wish that one of their ilk enjoyed such popularity.

It will never happen, though, because too many people see that the right is composed of people who are racist, homophobic, anti-free-choice, and white.


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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/22/2009 12:02:27 AM   
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I hope he is remembered for far more than simply his skin color in history. Hopefully in 4 years his skin color won't matter because his actions in office will far outweigh his being black.

I honestly cannot get excited or feel today is this great day, because to me, today is the beginning -- 4 years down the road is when history will be made -- good or bad and skin color won't filter into it.

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Really off-topic, but whenever I see your Avatar pic, my tongue itches. It's one of those Coyote-Roadrunner things, I guess.

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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/22/2009 12:03:18 AM   
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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/22/2009 2:14:52 AM   
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Obama's record-breaking $600 million campaign was paid for, in large part, by the financial industry.


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Thanks for the link. The Sector Totals chart on the page says $37,482,833 for "Finance, Insurance & Real Estate."



Yeah, see, using RW fuzzy math, 6% translates as "in large part".  Because if they believe it hard enough and email each other...

it's true!



They be clickin' the heels on them Righty Slippers together again.

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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/22/2009 3:39:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		HippieKinkster, you know, then i believe its done its job lol. 


As to the topic, someone said something i think helps me define why i really don't think his being black and being president was that big of a deal and i am more concerned with what success he has in office.  I just believe this has been possible for a very long time pretty much in my lifetime.  There will ALWAYS be racial prejudice on individual levels in our country be it against whites, blacks, browns, reds, etc.  I was more aware of the significance and felt it was more of a significance of his being elected when he was elected in Chicago more than his being elected for the Presidency.  People can get their knickers in a twist over my saying its not that big of deal but perhaps those people were and are a lot less colorblind than i am.  All my life i have pretty much been colorblind -- so no, his color is NOT that big of a deal for me in his being elected President.  But for many it seems that i should be aware of his color -- if that's the case shouldn't i be aware and comment and note it in EVERYTHING and judge him and commend him and yes condemn it with his color being part of it??  I thought this is what we are trying to move BEYOND.  Yes, it is a FIRST in our Country.  Americans pat yourself on the back -- no, i don't feel that is something that should be suggested.  MY big deal with regard to him is his accomplishing what he has claimed he would to BE elected.    THAT to me, will and should be what he is remembered for after his presidency, just as all the Presidents before him are.

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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/22/2009 3:50:46 AM   
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I don't know who is worshiping Obama.    I don't know why some conservatives and haters insist on shoving that word down people's throats, just because those of us who think the best man for the job won, are happy about this occasion.   M


Neither do I, MAAM. What I have concluded is that the conservatives in question can't stand the fact that none of their leaders have ever aroused such a movement in the population that Obama has. They know it's not worship: they hate that it's not worship. They would like for it to be worship though, but they know how much the American people have grown-up: they are no longer easily manipulated. Gone are the days of the Karl Rove magic tricks. People have their eyes wide-open, and there is no illusion over the fact that Obama and his team are fallible, but there hasn't been such hope and optimim in a long time either - especially in the face of such economic devastation - and that really, really grates, for some of  those who did not vote for the man...

That is a damn insightful post, Kitten. The Bushevik Cult of Personality is based on the ideology of the right. The Obama "movement" is based on people getting together to try and make a better country. The impotent rage of the Right is palpable. They only wish that one of their ilk enjoyed such popularity.

It will never happen, though, because too many people see that the right is composed of people who are racist, homophobic, anti-free-choice, and white.



I just wanted to say that the three of you, together, have put my thoughts into words, so well. I am getting to the point that I just skim right over ALL posts by those on here, that are as described. Their rage and how they convey it, has brought out a side of them that is quite distasteful and takes away any credence I may otherwise give their words on any topic.

Just wanted to add....many of them are SO caught up in their emotion that they really simply cannot seem to see how they are coming across, the THEM they are conveying. And while it's no skin off my arse what sort of human being they are, it puts them in a light that I just know I wouldn't want to be seen in. That poisonous fury that almost spits out of every single sentence, many of which go beyond the point of making any more common sense or having any posibility of being taken seriously by anyone other than others with similar points of view.

For myself, even when I cannot agree on an issue, I usually can understand the other person's mindset and reasoning. I also know that I never will agree. But that is human nature. Many of these people remind me more of far right religious zealots, so caught up in their distorted passion there is absolutely no way they can even begin to acknowledge another point of view that has any intelligent value at all. So busy are they screaming their views of hell and damnation while waving their bibles around. Completely belittling the possible value of things like eastern religiouns, muslim, etc.......all else is just evil and must be exterminated.

It is my fervent hope that these are the dying mindsets of a type of human being that, in my opinion, has created much of the problems of the world. The venomous anger is a result of fear, fear of losing the comfortable. Fear that there might be something better, but that the better was not what was preached in "their church". Personally, I don't think it was ever honestly preached in any of them.

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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/22/2009 7:52:40 AM   
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I'm glad you state yourself that you grew up around crap...  For Godssakes, don't worry about political correctness and say what you mean, 'cause I bet you won't be saying anything surprising to anyone who knows you anyway.  
And have the balls to say what you mean without trying to call it lighthearted humor, because that isn't your M.O., you don't do lighthearted/humor.    M


Uh, what exactly do I mean?  It seems like you're implying that I am a repressed racist.  Of course that's typical.  Like I said.....double standards.  By the way, you don't know me. 

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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/22/2009 7:58:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, we only know the you, that you project onto the forums. It is very probably inaccurate but, with limited information........it is what it is.

Different people will take that limited information, run it through their own filters, and come up with a version that is either correct or not.


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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/22/2009 8:19:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I project the image of a racist in the forums?  How exactly do I do that?  She also seemed to imply that I don't have a sense of humor, which I find incredibly funny.  She didn't address the post I made, she chose to bring my personal character into question.  Like I said, a white preacher would have never gotten away with saying derogatory things about blacks.  It's hypocracy, and it's double standards.  It's very typical when someone attempts to destroy an argument by calling their opponent's character into question. 

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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/22/2009 8:33:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't say you specifically projected anything close to being racist. Certainly, I have a certain idea of the type of person you are per your posts. And no, I don't see lighthearted and humorous as part of that. Though I don't see that as being a negative, persay. Nor is it a character attack. Nothing in that post was something I saw as a character attack.

Someone could say to me they think I have an obnoxious sense of humour and I certainly would not see it as an attack. It would simply be an observation of my personality based upon the words I've projected and their filter. Nothing more, nothing less.

In addition, your apparent outrage at a few words, that had they been directed at me would have slid by without a care, only complicates the issue for you.

Except I would know that if someone suggested I didn't have a sense of humour, they either A. had not read many of my posts, or B. Were going blind.

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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/22/2009 8:40:52 AM   
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Congrats on your happiness, MzMia!!!
 
this slave is skeptical, but promises to be officially Obamarized if/when he makes good on just this ONE statement he made during his campaign:
 
"I would not have the Justice Department prosecuting and raiding Medical Marijuana users.  It is not a good use of our resources."
 
an end to THAT nonsense would be enough to make this slave believe he walks on water!!!
think he will really do it?

How about medical poppy pod users?


if the voters of any of the Great States in our Union approved the rights of physicians and patients residing in said state to prescribe and use "poppy pods" (or any other natural substance as medicine, for that matter) in accordance with the regulations put in place by the state legislature after the proposed bill has passed...
 
then HELL yes, this slave would expect a decent, responsible, intelligent POTUS with integrity to instruct the federal government not to prosecute/incarcerate individuals in compliance with state law, and/or take their posessions away from them.
 
so, since MzMia didn't answer, would you care to answer the question this slave posed to her?
do you think he will really do what he has said with regards to ending DOJ efforts to prosecute and incarcerate medical marijuana users?

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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/22/2009 9:38:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think MzMia's excitement is for good reason. I am quite impressed.

I first became impressed when I learned that instead of seeking a higher paying career in New York, he moved to Chicago to help communities. All politicians claim to care for the common man. His actions add more volume to his words.

I became more impressed as his campaign progressed. He demonstrated good judgment. He surrounded himself with effective advisors and made good decisions. He kept his poise and steered well through crises. He implemented effective strategies and smart practices in his campaign. He inspired his staff, as well the public to become involved. In short, he has demonstrated excellent leadership skills, which is evidenced by the success of his campaign and his remarkable achievement to prevail over several who had a bigger name and better odds at the outset.

I am impressed with how he has put together his administration. The selections seem to be deliberate, thorough, and based on qualifications and merit. I am impressed with Eric Holder's responses about human rights and what they show about principles this administration will adopt.

I am impressed with his steps to achieve diversity and bring together people. He has created excitement across various demographics and is inspiring people to become involved. I think this excitement speaks well of his leadership. I am impressed with the excitment he has created around the world, and how simply his election has helped repair some of the damage that has occurred to our image overseas. I am optimistic about how he will fare as president.

I think his race makes his achievement all that more remarkable, both for him as well this country.

With respect to him, I think Ferraro's comment was incorrect that he achieved the success he did because of his race. I attribute his success to his personal merits. While his race may have added to his appeal for some, it was not the reason for their vote. If race alone was the reason, why did not the same occur for other black candidates before him? I expect the number of people who voted for him for his race alone is much smaller than the number of people who voted against him for his race alone. I think his race and his unusual name make his achievement greater due to the added challenge.

And I think his election is remarkable for our country. I do not know where else a minority has been elected to lead a state, which I think reflects well on our society. There is an admiration towards us seen in Europe and other countries and I see reason to feel pride.

Cheers,

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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/22/2009 11:17:28 PM   
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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/22/2009 11:36:43 PM   
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I'm glad you state yourself that you grew up around crap...  For Godssakes, don't worry about political correctness and say what you mean, 'cause I bet you won't be saying anything surprising to anyone who knows you anyway.  
And have the balls to say what you mean without trying to call it lighthearted humor, because that isn't your M.O., you don't do lighthearted/humor.    M


Uh, what exactly do I mean?  It seems like you're implying that I am a repressed racist.  Of course that's typical.  Like I said.....double standards.  By the way, you don't know me. 


This man isn`t prejudiced,to the contrary.He`s a stand-up guy.

I wish people wouldn`t use such hurtful terms and accusations.

It sucks all the oxygen out`a the room.

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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/24/2009 10:02:37 AM   
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Hmmm, Ted Kennedy and , Jimmy Carter, and Bill Clinton have not stepped out of the spotlight once.  They have never cared about service to our country.  They care about themselves. 


WTF are you talking about?

Ted Kennedy is nearly on his deathbed and still trying to push through a health care bill for all Americans.

Jimmy Carter has devoted his life to humble projects like Habitat for Humanity after he left office, among many other causes that won him a Nobel Peace Prize.

Clinton's projects since he left office have been all about service to our country.

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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/24/2009 10:15:07 AM   
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At least he's not scared of riding bikes.  But he does have trouble not falling off a Segway.




Good thing he wore that cute little helmet so he didn't bump his head on something.

It might  have jarred something loose, if he had,.................like common sense.

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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/25/2009 6:06:36 AM   
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Clinton's projects since he left office have been all about service to our country.


Most of Clinton's projects have involved touring colleges speaking for huge sums of money and shagging coeds.
I give Carter props as the best expresident though.  He has done more for humanity and this country since leaving office than he did during his entire term as chief executive.
Kennedy .... I won't say anything bad about the man right now.  He's probably dying and I won't even kick a dying man.

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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/25/2009 7:35:50 AM   
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It wasn't my intent to suck the oxygen out of the room...   A statement was made, and I'm holding it up to some scrutinity, because I found it in poor form.
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This man isn`t prejudiced,to the contrary.He`s a stand-up guy.

I wish people wouldn`t use such hurtful terms and accusations.
It sucks all the oxygen out`a the room.
I didn't call him racist.   He made a statement, indicating it should be considered lighthearted humor, and I found it interesting that in his first attempt at humor, he chooses blacks and crack smoking ...
When you're not prejudiced, you would maybe say "people who smoke crack are a waste of human space", albeit a harsh statement, it doesn't make it a black problem; but when you fail to see it is a socioeconomic problem that plagues many poor folks who live in trailer parks and ghettos, than you say
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slaveboyforyou
If I said, "....when black stops smoking crack."

I'm just saying, he didn't sound impartial, and whether he checks his conscience on the matter is neither here nor there...     The fact of the matter, it is considered bad form to make demeaning jokes not involving folks of one's own ethnicity.     Please, don't anyone think I take offense.    

There are folks here, with whom I have sufficient familiarity and intimacy to make ethnic jokes to or about each other.   In public though, I don't fart, and I don't make fun of groups of people in general, especially if they don't look like my family.     M

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RE: Any one else Obamarized today with the Inauguration... - 1/25/2009 7:41:05 AM   
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Mr O might not have used race but all his supporters were behind him because of his race.  Why else were they supporting him over the more experienced hillary clinton?  Remember both of them had basically idential ideas and policys.


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MzMia....this is meant in love.  Let's just be happy to see a seemingly more honest, open, earnest, hopeful man become  President.  Skin color should never be considered as requisite for anyone's ability to perform a job.  Part of the vitriolic reaction to today's jubilation is brought about by the fact that Obama's race is touted all over the place...ad nauseum.   Let's be hopeful about the qualities that enable him to be ready for this job.  Should he fail or succeed....his race shouldn't have a thing to do with his job performance. 


         Well said.

Actually one of the things I do respect about President Obama is the fact that he has never focused on his race. He ran his campaign on ideas, not color.

                             mbmbn



Really? I supported the PRESIDENT because of his race? Leaving aside the fact that, genetically speaking, there ain't no such thing as "race", of course.

I was completely unaware of that! Knock me over with a feather! Learn something every day! I be ejumacated now!

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