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RE: First Impressions - 1/11/2006 1:37:45 PM   
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Hmmm... So, maybe pissing on her leg under the dinner table to "mark" her as mine might be considered "rude", huh?!! DAMN!!!

hee hee hee (just kidding, obviously)





DUH!... you think so LA?...... lmao

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RE: First Impressions - 1/11/2006 1:42:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: la90066


Hmmm... So, maybe pissing on her leg under the dinner table to "mark" her as mine might be considered "rude", huh?!! DAMN!!!

hee hee hee (just kidding, obviously)




No way; that's romance incarnate.

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RE: First Impressions - 1/11/2006 1:53:42 PM   
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So what are the things that you have encountered at first meetings that made you turn down or simply not ask for a second? The things that have made you realize that the person across from you could never be your Dominant or submissive?



Admittedly, I did not spend enough time talking and corresponding with this particular man/sub, prior to meeting, so I take some of the blame for the first meeting. He invited me to meet him for "dinner."

To begin, he was late, which is the worst 'first impression' I think anyone can make. He then, after inviting me to "dinner," said he wasn't hungry, so he suggested we just have appetizers. Duh me...I always thought of "dinner"...as actually eating a meal.

He then began to talk about having sex with me, even before the drinks were brought to table (when this was never discussed prior to this), and during dinner (er, I mean appetizers...), he offered that "he" would "allow ME" to see other men.

Needless to say, we did not have a second date, and in fact our parting, that evening, was not at all what he anticipated either.

As a few others mentioned, I have issue with a man that won't look at me, when he speaks, but also when he won't speak at all. I have met with a few that would not open their mouth, unless I pulled things out of them, and that's quite tiring and useless to me. I probably had more issue with them being articulate and witty in e-mail and on the phone, and then being a totally different character in person.

I also get a kick out of the ones that tell the server to separate the bills. Or the one man that I met for drinks, and then he didn't have enough money to pay for his multiple drinks and the appetizer he ate by himself. (Had he been a friend in the first place, I would have no issue with paying the bill. He asked "me" out, and I requested the money be returned to me later. The bill really was "his" in this case. Oh...and I did get the money.)

I'm sure more will come to mind, but these are at the top for my not so impressive experiences.

K

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RE: First Impressions - 1/11/2006 2:37:06 PM   
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Sigh my problem is that I hate it and am very GOOD at it. And since most people are shy and bad at making small talk, since I'm good at it and naturally want people to feel "part of the group" I always end up playing hostess.


Hahahahaha. Me too. I dislike mundane chit chat, forced small talk, expected pleasantries. And yet, I am comfortable with it and thus frequently resort to it. I also have natural hostess tendencies, especially if I observe no one else is performing that role. I am irresistably and instinctively required by biology to step up and become a welcome wagon.

I like banter though. Banter is different.

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RE: First Impressions - 1/11/2006 8:17:08 PM   
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As the dinner progressed, it was clear that she was willing to be the final course. Then a black couple came into the place. Her face hardened and she whispered, "It was much nicer when we didn't have to eat with N.....ers."

Damn, what a battle between my brain and my gonads.
Two more weeks of celibacy.
Hey John, will Libby let me fondle you when/if we ever meet? Will you? M

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RE: First Impressions - 1/11/2006 8:22:33 PM   
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One of my major turn-offs are folks who are overly judgmental about insignificant matters or spend most of the time complaining about what they don't like. I'd list other turn-offs but then I'd risk exhibiting those same traits myself.
I thought this same thing before doing my list, than said phuck it, Erin is right, some people do need to pay attention to these, and learn not to do some of these things. I know folks who would have liked to know these things about me before we went out, and have since we've gone out learned not to repeat some of these things for the next lady... Really!
As for what to do, all a guy needs to be is a decent human being and ask me how I like to be treated. M

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RE: First Impressions - 1/11/2006 9:06:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I once had dinner with a perspective Dominant at a very nice steak house. He ordered a large Porterhouse steak...WELL DONE!!! When the steak came he literally dumped an entire bottle of ketchup on top of it and his fries. He ate with his mouth open making loud smacking noises and talked with his mouth full. He held his fork as though it were a shovel and to make things even worse he guzzled 9 beers over the course of the meal. Now mind you, this was a man who had come across as being intelligent and refined...but his table manners were Neanderthalic. I declined his offer for a second dinner.

So what are the things that you have encountered at first meetings that made you turn down or simply not ask for a second? The things that have made you realize that the person across from you could never be your Dominant or submissive?



I must have dated the same man that you speak of in the restaurant. I had spoken to this gentleman a number of times. He was educated and articulate (both huge turns ons for me). But, when the food came, he had NO table manners. He picked at his teeth, bit his nails and licked his fingers.....yuck!

Other turn offs....
Men who talk about their exes
Men who immediately compare me to their exes (even if very favorably)
Men who boast about all of their skills in the bedroom
Men who try to woo me with the amount of money they make
Men who talk about all the "things" they own

OK, my rant is over. Especially since i now hope my first meetings are a thing of the past.

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RE: First Impressions - 1/11/2006 9:29:28 PM   
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Damn! Now I wish I had a penis, just so that I could have peed on a few legs of some of the jerks I have met! LOL

quote:

ORIGINAL: la90066


Hmmm... So, maybe pissing on her leg under the dinner table to "mark" her as mine might be considered "rude", huh?!! DAMN!!!

hee hee hee (just kidding, obviously)




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RE: First Impressions - 1/11/2006 10:14:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sensualips

quote:

Sigh my problem is that I hate it and am very GOOD at it. And since most people are shy and bad at making small talk, since I'm good at it and naturally want people to feel "part of the group" I always end up playing hostess.


Hahahahaha. Me too. I dislike mundane chit chat, forced small talk, expected pleasantries. And yet, I am comfortable with it and thus frequently resort to it. I also have natural hostess tendencies, especially if I observe no one else is performing that role. I am irresistably and instinctively required by biology to step up and become a welcome wagon.

I like banter though. Banter is different.



mmmmmmmm another one that is annoying me... ok same consequences for you as for Lucky. but with alittle spanking uh bantering yeah that it's spank.. uh Bantering!

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RE: First Impressions - 1/11/2006 10:38:32 PM   
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Most of us don't fall head over heels for the first Dom/sub that we meet when we begin our search.


I happened to have done just that and she with me, but we did go through certain safety measures to
meet in real life. We have been together now over a year and a half.

So I don't have a whole lot of experiences with "the search".
Reading some of the posts I feel somewhat relieved, but maybe I also missed out on learning some valuable lessons.

I did do some dating from some vanilla sites, but nothing horrible to tell, something embarrassing happened. I was eating dinner with this woman and we went to go out and get in our cars and I couldn't find my keys, I figured I had locked them in my car, luckily I had a second set. That was embarrassing enough but when we got up to my car I also discovered it still running!!! OMG, did I feel like a googoosoonie


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RE: First Impressions - 1/11/2006 10:47:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sunshine119
Men who talk about their exes
...
Men who boast about all of their skills in the bedroom
...
Men who talk about all the "things" they own


I both offer this information and ask about it as well on the part of the other person. I guess that's not small talk - I am actually try to find shit out and reveal information at the same time. Former relationships are important and I like to know what was both good and bad about them. I particularly like to know why certain relationships ended and on what terms. What was learned from each relationship? Sex and SM are always topics of conversation and I am not shy about them at all. I happen to think I am a great lover and I have no problems saying so. I do actually ask people what kind of lover they think they are and I hope they are being honest with me. Most of the things I own are about my hobbies, so I can't see why that wouldn't appeal to know what I like to do avocationally.

Some of those things on your list strike me as reflexive - you seem to think they should be off limits, but it seems to me that not talking about those very things is a liability to your future relationships.




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RE: First Impressions - 1/12/2006 3:55:12 AM   
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mmmmmmmm another one that is annoying me... ok same consequences for you as for Lucky. but with alittle spanking uh bantering yeah that it's spank.. uh Bantering!


my Lord... so bantering = spanking

and you wish to discourage bantering? probably would have been better if you didn't have masochists as your slaves then *w*

kyra


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RE: First Impressions - 1/12/2006 6:24:17 AM   
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Oh, another thing that is a totally bad first impression, for me, is when I someone immediately starts talking against the city of Detroit and generalizing about the people that live here. Needless to say, I'm quite open about living IN the city, and am proud to be a lifelong resident. When I hear about how they won't come in to Detroit, cause it's such a BAAAAaaaad city....they don't realize they are cutting themselves off. I live in Detroit. Buh Bye! They never seem to figure it out either.

K

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RE: First Impressions - 1/12/2006 6:40:14 AM   
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Most of us don't fall head over heels for the first Dom/sub that we meet when we begin our search. We have the opportunity to "date" for lack of a better term, a variety of people. When meeting with a potential Dominant or submissive for the first time, what are the things that have made you not ask for or accept a second meeting? Not necessarily D/s related things...but things about their character or mannerisms that clearly made you understand that there was no potential.


I will say that I actually push the envelope before I ever get to a meeting--that is why I spend so much time in communication, emails, IM's, phone conversations--it eliminates some impatient sub, but hey, I'm worth waiting for---but that allows Me to listen to key cues---like approaches to vanilla life issues, serious intent, hard limits, unmentionable approaches, feelings about life together---and I have eliminated in those discussions--so the few I have met were eliminated not because of manners, or eating styles, but just deeper issues were not there.

Eliminated in those discussions:
Ex baggage, why would you tell a stranger those personal things?
Ex vehemence
Unmentionable attitude
Unmentionable raising techniques
Ignorant Arrogance
Burping in My ear on the phone
Boastful bragging about sexual prowess
Continued discussions about earnings, having and requiring the finer things (think male subs forget I am not the trophy, "they" are)
Pushing for things I have as hard limits
Lies
Continued arrogance
Hobbies or vanilla interests non existent or vastly different from Mine
Doms who will "submit to Me"
Males who live for the golfcourse
Directing future scenes
Farting on the phone


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RE: First Impressions - 1/12/2006 6:41:49 AM   
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yeah i d guess man with caveman attitude make neither a good dom nore a good sub *looks at her own caveman* ehem...some things u get used too over time tho. hehe

personally i hate first dates where the guy expects straight away sexual encounters.
i rather have a non bdsm meeting the first few times before i lay my hands on him/her.

i dont like ppl that take no care of their looks (overdue haircut, dirty nails, rotten dirty clothing), yet doesnt have to bee designer clothings.

i havent had many really bad first dates, but a few really odd ones.
a no go for me is also subs that start to challenge me after the first 5 min ( are u really dominant?, u think u could hold me down, try to ...blah blah), those challenge thingies r really annoying. of couse i can knock u out chain u up and beat u senseless, but is that really what u want??? i m sure i do not want bdsm that way, i like my slaves/subs tender :p

when i meet someone first time i try to dress decent, not style up like for a hookerball, not to bee busy, i try to take time for a talk,
i also know that i got high standards. and those high standards apply for myselfe as well. i speak 3 langs fluently, and i expect the one to bee able to have a decent convo in at least one of them
what i would not do on a first date is
a) get into sexual actions
b) appear something else than i am
c) talk about love
d) talk about my expectations in a relationship
c) play investigator (both parties- i hate question answer dates)

there is a lot of things one can talk about on a first date, doesnt have to bee ur sexual preferences or just bdsm, for me even a play relation has to bee somewhat mentally pleasing, or its not a good one

Bee

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RE: First Impressions - 1/12/2006 8:07:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sunshine119
Men who talk about their exes
...
Men who boast about all of their skills in the bedroom
...
Men who talk about all the "things" they own


I both offer this information and ask about it as well on the part of the other person. I guess that's not small talk - I am actually try to find shit out and reveal information at the same time. Former relationships are important and I like to know what was both good and bad about them. I particularly like to know why certain relationships ended and on what terms. What was learned from each relationship? Sex and SM are always topics of conversation and I am not shy about them at all. I happen to think I am a great lover and I have no problems saying so. I do actually ask people what kind of lover they think they are and I hope they are being honest with me. Most of the things I own are about my hobbies, so I can't see why that wouldn't appeal to know what I like to do avocationally.

Some of those things on your list strike me as reflexive - you seem to think they should be off limits, but it seems to me that not talking about those very things is a liability to your future relationships.





Chaingang,

What you say here makes sense. But not on a first meet. Some of what you talk of should be done before the first meet, over the phone and or internet. That way you do find out why there is an "EX" . And if I or they are great lovers isn't the point in a first time meeting. That's what all this was about. Things you mentioned are things needing to be known prior to a meet, and after the first meet going into 2nd and others.

So i'm not knocking your topics of conversations.... i'm just questioning the timing.

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RE: First Impressions - 1/12/2006 12:22:35 PM   
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what is a-first-meeting?

with BOTH of my dommes...i moved-in....under 24 hrs..


i have NO idea WHAT you are talkin 'bout...

and WHAT is WRONG with ketchup? it's the ONLY thing "I" am able to have due to bad stomach issues...


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RE: First Impressions - 1/12/2006 4:36:54 PM   
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So i'm not knocking your topics of conversations.... i'm just questioning the timing.


That's cool. It's just weird how things work out. Long distance situations normally allow for prolonged conversations up front via phone and internet, whereas if people can meet easily they are usually more than willing to do so. So then it becomes a cart before the horse kind of thing - what to talk about before you actually get involved, how to appear and remain interested while you are still gathering information, and (in my view) how to avoid sex until you are more clear on what is what, etc.

I actually think long distance has one advantage over real time close proximity - it allows you to more naturally become aware of the many important issues regarding someone that do not readily become apparent if you are able to see each in real time more conveniently. In real time you might be so enthusiastic about surface details that troublesome better concealed issues do not make themselves known until you are well hooked. 2-3 months of regular chatting before meeting is extremely helpful in weeding shit out of people.

Also, I guess I am one of those people that doesn't mind talking about almost anything and I don't think there is a right or wrong way to talk about something important any more than there is a right or wrong way to meet a person in the first place. Further I bet the sting is taken out of most of those topics if there is mutual exchange of information. To hear one person go on and on about just their shit is annoying under any circumstances - one has to know how to balance and provide room for the other person to speak. And I find that if you are a sincere interrogator and intrepid listener people will have no trouble telling you about themselves at length, and having done so they are better prepared to let you do the same in turn.

And there is where it's helpful if the first meeting is not a meal and not intended to be a romantic date in the first place. If the first meeting is just something hugely casual like a coffee date the whole point is to gather information, note chemistry and check compatibility. Then talk, talk, talk, talk is the name of the game.

So there's your first impressions.


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RE: First Impressions - 1/12/2006 9:08:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truesub4u
So i'm not knocking your topics of conversations.... i'm just questioning the timing.


That's cool. It's just weird how things work out. Long distance situations normally allow for prolonged conversations up front via phone and internet, whereas if people can meet easily they are usually more than willing to do so. So then it becomes a cart before the horse kind of thing - what to talk about before you actually get involved, how to appear and remain interested while you are still gathering information, and (in my view) how to avoid sex until you are more clear on what is what, etc.

I actually think long distance has one advantage over real time close proximity - it allows you to more naturally become aware of the many important issues regarding someone that do not readily become apparent if you are able to see each in real time more conveniently. In real time you might be so enthusiastic about surface details that troublesome better concealed issues do not make themselves known until you are well hooked. 2-3 months of regular chatting before meeting is extremely helpful in weeding shit out of people.

Also, I guess I am one of those people that doesn't mind talking about almost anything and I don't think there is a right or wrong way to talk about something important any more than there is a right or wrong way to meet a person in the first place. Further I bet the sting is taken out of most of those topics if there is mutual exchange of information. To hear one person go on and on about just their shit is annoying under any circumstances - one has to know how to balance and provide room for the other person to speak. And I find that if you are a sincere interrogator and intrepid listener people will have no trouble telling you about themselves at length, and having done so they are better prepared to let you do the same in turn.

And there is where it's helpful if the first meeting is not a meal and not intended to be a romantic date in the first place. If the first meeting is just something hugely casual like a coffee date the whole point is to gather information, note chemistry and check compatibility. Then talk, talk, talk, talk is the name of the game.

So there's your first impressions.




Oh, Ok... now I understand your response better, and totally agree with it. Thank you for seeing my confusion and clarifying it for me. It does make a lot of sense to me now.

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RE: First Impressions - 1/13/2006 1:08:17 AM   
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You make an excellent point Chain... wish you'd posted it to another thread though

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