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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/28/2009 5:56:59 PM   
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Well i deffinetly didnt mean to say anything negitive about what you were saying. But your a sub? right? But i apreatiat what you have to say. Not to piss anyone else off either.


Do you understand that a submissive person CHOOSES who they submit to...and that you should not assume - nor be entitled to - any additional respect other than common courtesy that all of us should show other human beings?  And that most submissives are very strong people, who enjoy submitting and who like to be cherished and appreciated for their efforts.  Who can also probably give most Dominants pretty good advice - yes, advice...if you prefer, call it communicating - about how to improve or work harder or be better for THEIR Doms so that maybe you could communicate that to the girl you say you want to help?  D/s is a MUTUALLY satsifying dynamic and if one person isn't satisified, then the other one should help figure out why and see if it can be resolved.  But if it can't, let the girl find someone who WILL cherish and appreciate her service and find yourself someone who enjoys the kind of pain you want to inflict (i respectfully suggest that you work on giving them something worth staying for....we might enjoy serving or submitting, but we aren't doormats or punching bags...).

You say that you worded things incorrectly, but then you gave us more of the same arrogant bullshit, made fun of anyone who disagreed with you, were condescending to the one sub who tried to help by giving advice that might benefit the person you say - in pretty disrespectful terms - that you are wanting to help.  How exactly did you expect people to respond? 

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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/28/2009 6:05:20 PM   
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She has a great one here http://www.collarchat.com/m_2404241/tm.htm and i KNOW i saw another one somewhere else.

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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/28/2009 6:07:05 PM   
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Aw hell, now I'm gonna blush....!!!  *hunts for blushing emoticon*

And Eponavet really hits another very important part: the consenstual aspect of WIITWD. That if it's no good for one person, then it's no good for the other person, either. Really. If my husband insisted on using the rubber straps EVERY SINGLE TIME we played it wouldn't be long before I walked (those are kind of special occasion impliments). That sort of thing.

Yeesh, my spelling is getting worse and worse as the night goes on...

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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/28/2009 6:15:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bandofthehawk176

Well i deffinetly didnt mean to say anything negitive about what you were saying. But your a sub? right? But i apreatiat what you have to say. Not to piss anyone else off either.


Do you realise that you come across as wholly disrespectful?

Even if you have difficulty with language or words, you do not seem to be putting much thought into your posts...and they are coming across as disrespectful.

You have gotten some very good advice.
It does not matter if it came from a Dom, a sub or a gerbil.
Do not discount it.
That is rude.
You can respectfully disagree but it is rude to dismiss the person who spent their time responding to your question.

Your inability to write your thoughts in a clear manner has caused people to misunderstand your intentions with your sub.

The fact that you referred to her as wimpy, again was a thoughtless choice of wording.. but you can not say things like that and then try to play it off as you didn't mean it the way it sounded.

Take responsibility for the words you use.. when you begin to do that you may begin to be more careful with the words you use.

Since you seem to sometimes have a hard time understanding what is being said to you let me know if any of this was unclear and I will explain it, either here or in cmail.

edit: spelling


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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/28/2009 6:16:41 PM   
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i had the opportunity to play with my Master and another girl yesterday. We are very different types, she and i, in temperment, body type and level of pain tolerance.

she is the sort to squirm away from the cane, paddle, hand whatever, while screaming and whimpering -- but she doesn't safeword and craves heavy pain. she can take a really hard whack and loves the stingy harshness of the paddle and cane.

i am more submissive, holding still for the implement and enduring, but with a much lower pain tolerance and more delicate skin, loving a thuddy toy like a heavy flogger. He said that she could take a stroke easily that would have laid my skin open and caused damage to me.

Which of us is the better sub/slave?

The correct answer is: neither.

Your girl is going to be like no other sub/slave on this board. she is herself and you need to accept her for what she is, not try to make her something she is not and may never be. she will likely never be a pain slut.

i'd also like to suggest that, rather than flailing away on her, sure that you know what you are doing and the problem is with the girl, find a RL Dominant to learn from. Hands-on training from someone who has been doing this longer than you have been walking will teach you more than how to hold a flogger the right way... the techniques are only part of the whole Dominant package.

Good luck.

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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/28/2009 6:20:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bandofthehawk176

Well i did put this under "ask a Master", but thats not the true point. no... sorry i dont feel like giving you all another thing to ravenge. So ill keep that to myself because im a tad bit tired of having my words picked to peices. 



Thank you. This along with your condescending attitude and arrogance throughout the thread have more than answered my question. I only asked it to see if you'd own up to it since it comes across so strongly in your replies.

You are young and inexperienced in what you are asking. In time hopefully you will learn that anyone can be a wonderful teacher of things no matter whether they ID as dom or sub or switch and all variances thereof. A dominant is not automatically better, more intelligent or more worthy of listening to than a sub just because they ID as dominant. You have a lot to learn. Best wishes in learning it.

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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/28/2009 7:00:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bandofthehawk176

Bout time i get to hear from A true Dom. thanks for the insight. I pretty much know everything your saying though. Your right and i agree.


wow... I didn't realize the OP wanted to here from True Doms!..... so... I went and dug up a post I did awhile ago.... hopeful it not get lost in the rubbish from those nasty submissives girls... like really what the hell would a True Dom care what they have to say anyways.



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I speak from the Sadistic side of the coin.

I am sure everyone's approach is different, but I will tell you that the body can endure and enjoy incredible amounts of pain. If you want to increase your pain tolerance or more importantly your enjoyment of the experience.... You need to start first and foremost before play begins.

The mind is where the play starts... how you prepare yourself for the play in large part will affect your ability to endure and enjoy the pains that come from the play. It is critical for the Top to have an appreciation of your state of mind going into the play. This appreciation is not only gained with direct comments from you, but also thru the Top's observation of you before and during play. It is also critical that you mentally prepare yourself and approach the play in a proper mindset. Now just to clairify, SM play for physical pain is a much different play than SM play that is emotional/mental pain. Such types of pain can be within a physically painful SM play and often is. But we are talking about physical pain and being mentally prepared for it.

You must be focused on the play. We are not talking about focusing on what the Top is doing or even what you are experiencing in the play. I am saying that you can't be distracted with kids at home or did you remember this or that. The better you are able to close you mind to everything else around you the better. The only thoughts and emotions are about the play.

Approaching it with confidence. One would immediately state that a newbie couldn't readily approach play to a high level, because they lack confidence that is gained from experience. Well this is very wrong. kyra and denika are prime examples of two people that had their first intense SM experiences with me and there is a couple others I have played with as well. kyra played with no one before me, after a couple of testing scenes... I played her and brought her to a level that was beyond what many experience after a few years and took days for her to wrap her mind around. denika had only one experince of SM before me. It was a good test play that allowed her to appreicate some sensations but in no way pushed her pain levels. Her second play was with me and she was quickly thrown into a high intense pain levels that cause a intense rush for both of us. Both approached the play with intense nervousness and excitement. Both had fears of not doing well... but both was mental focused in being confident in me. So, confidence is not just with one self, But also with the Top. The higher level of trust one has the greater confidence one will beable to put into their Top.

Discard Mindlessness thoughts! The belief in limitations of your abilities and what you can endure can have an incredible underminding value in what you will endure. I don't advocate that you consider yourself as being able to take anything with time and effort. But, I am advocating that you not focus or concern yourself with what is limiting to you or what could limit you. Be Mindful! that you can endure and enjoy!... this is more than positive thinking. This is more accepting the challenges of what will come no matter the emotions or thoughts. I would also be mindful that every play is different that complaceny within play will actually inhibit your ability to reach new levels. Accept variety and differences will occur in you play in your reactions in your ability to endure and enjoy from one scene to another. See the trend and not the individual scene. I would also be mindful of not holding on and trying to re-live a past incredible scene. Accept them as the individual achievements and pleasures they are.. not to be compared and lessen or glorified with other experiences. Finally, focus on the process of play and not the goal of play. Great play is not focused on a goal to be achieved at the end of play... it is focused on making the play at the moment it is occuring fun. If you focused on throwing yourself into the moment of the play... well the goal of great play will come on it's own. Constant focus on having Good or Great play will only cause disappointment when it doesn't occur and will ripple into future plays if that is your focus. Enjoy the journey First! and then savor the destination. But always focus on the journey!

Change the Mindset of Pain to Sensation! at the end of it SM is all about sensations... sensations of different degrees. pain is put a measure of sensation. By focusing on the mindset that pain is but a sensation, you begin to mentally bring down the fears that pain has been caused thru your years of growth. We grow up to view pain is bad, the touching of the hot stove to the emotional pain of loss of a loved one. They different sensations, intense sensations, the key to understand is your learning to manage and cope with an every increasing degree and variety of sensations! physically, emotional and mentally!


In the play itself!

I know people talk of warm ups and taking it slow. I personally think this is an approach is very subjective to the individuals in the play. What you consider as a Warm-up could likely be different than another and the same can be said of taking it slow and steady. I do very little warm up ! I do not need to do much warm-up because those I play with tend to be very mentally focused and prepared for the play in the first place. Some wish to start with a soft flogger and move up the spectrum, this in of self to me is a complacency in Repetition that actually makes it harder to increase pain tolerance than it needs to be. Flexiblity and open-minded approaches that are creative are very using in broadening the body and minds ability to cope to every change sensations in the play. It is akin to building the pyramid. the larger the base, the higher one is able to build the pyramid. It is not just the specific toy but, the force of a the toy and the manner it strikes. There is different types of basic sensations.. thud, sting and bite to name a few. The power of each type of sensation will have a different affect on the bottom. soft thud is much different than a heavy thud. starting soft in different sensations in different scenes builds a base to work from, increasing the intensities build upon the base. Bringing different combination of sensations will build the base even higher.


After play!

Aftercare is not just about making sure that the bottom is physically, emotional and mentally ok, and the Dom for that matter. It is also an opportunity to savor the experience. Aftercare and be not just a few hours, but can go into days of discussing and savoring the experience with each other. The talented Top will make note of the aspects that the bottom comments on. What cause them to get excited in the play, what is it they remember and what is it they do not remember. At the higher levels, The Top themself becomes lost in memory of some things. memory after all is but fragments and is never a exact. Aftercare gone well can be a time not only to ressure that all is ok from the scene, but it can be an opportunity set expectations and excitement for the next one. It helps to build the mindsets towards greater play.


Play is a process of fun... increasing ones pain tolerance can be the natural byproduct of having this fun. focus on the process and you will have fun... if you having fun... each time you will go higher, save the limits for those that want to restrict themselves. focus on the challenges at the moment of play that will build your pleasure and experience.


just a few thoughts


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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/28/2009 7:07:23 PM   
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Okay, so I'll be blunt because my tolerance for stupidity is low at the moment:

You showed disrespect for your submissive when you described her the way you did.

You've shown disrespect for others when you poo poo'ed the opinions of submissives on this board....you know the people that are on the receiving end of the pain.

You've received advice from people that have been in the same D/s relationship for longer than you've been able to shave....and then threw out the "True" card.

The fact that you and your submissive have been together for 2 years and you still haven't made any strides forward speaks volumes.

You come across as arrogant and disdainful. You received good advice from people on this thread starting with "stop calling your sub sissy and wimpy", right up to utilizing warm up.

And finally just because.....two words....spell check. 

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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/28/2009 8:37:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

quote:

ORIGINAL: bandofthehawk176
Bout time i get to hear from A true Dom. thanks for the insight. I pretty much know everything your saying though. Your right and i agree.


< waves to Kana > Hey, Kana, longtime, no talk.  Hope all is well with you.  :>  ((Kid's reply was to Kana's post, hence my greeting Kana))

Kid, yep, I'm pulling the kid card...I feel abundantly certain you really don't know what Kana (Or everyone else whose opinions you've denigrated) means. 
You posted a question, many people have offered their time and insights to you, and you have disrespected them all, upto and including the one you call a 'true Dom' (Not saying that you're not, Kana, just reflecting back the words used) as you told him you pretty much know everything he's saying.  It must be quite the position on high to 'know it all'...'cept your girl doesn't appear to think that you do and you know it, hence you call her names, etc. 
Davan


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I would love to chat with you.
Like you said, it's been too long

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Fuck
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I live in your state
Toss me a line if you would like to chat
I am a practicing sadist (But a damn skippy nice one!), I have some solid experience about what's under discussion here.

Edited to add. KoM-Great post!


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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/28/2009 8:47:54 PM   
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Dear Unabomber...   *giggles*

Sorry, I just can't resist teasing you a bit, your profile pic is soooo Ted Kaczynski... Its priceless.

But seriously, bandofthehawk176... Please listen closely because I am a weal, twue,
SuperSupremeRulerUberLickMyStilettosWhileIWearTightLeatherAndBeatYourAssDomme...


GET A PAINSLUT. Its not that difficult, really.


Release your current girl. She deserves someone who fits her needs.

It should be much easier to just advertise here on CM for a pain puppy, and get someone who is wired that way to begin with... Than it would be to try to change this poor girl who is apparently not nearly as into pain as you'd like.

Face it. She's not that into you.

And with good reason: you're not that into her, either. Or you'd be coming here asking questions about how you could respond to her emotional and physical needs more effectively, rather than asking how to get your own selfish needs met. You're into you.

The sooner you face facts- that your needs and desires aren't matching up well enough with hers... The sooner you can quit wasting both of your time. Go and find yourself someone who already identifies as the kind of painslut you need, and let this current girl go so she can find someone who will be a better fit for her.



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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/28/2009 8:50:50 PM   
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Dear Unabomber...   *giggles*

Sorry, I just can't resist teasing you a bit, your profile pic is soooo Ted Kaczynski... Its priceless.

But seriously, bandofthehawk176... Please listen closely because I am a weal, twue,
SuperSupremeRulerUberLickMyStilettosWhileIWearTightLeatherAndBeatYourAssDomme...



which of course brings to mind the old limerick

There once was a girl named Lewinsky
that played the skin flute like Stravinsky
she said with a grin
as she wiped off her chin
I'll make them forget about Kaczynski

I swear, my mind traps the strangest stuff

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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/28/2009 8:54:34 PM   
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LOL, Kana!!!



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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/28/2009 9:28:24 PM   
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You've got mail on the flip-side, Kana.  :>
Er, um, well, that limerick isn't upto your usual writing skills but, as you said, it stuck in your mind, thus someone else is to blame.  Lol! 
Anyway, looking forward to catching up. 
OP, lots of seriously good advice given to you here.  Consider it. 
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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/28/2009 9:46:07 PM   
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I didn't write that one
I swear
it was an old friend back in the day

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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/28/2009 10:58:54 PM   
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I know you didn't, that's what I acknowledged in the latter portion of the sentence.  :>  You're a far better writer than that! 
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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/29/2009 8:45:04 AM   
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Do you know that when raising someone's pain threshold,  you are actually causing tissue damage that in time will become permanent?  The skin texture will change, the nerve endings become damaged, then deadened, the fascia will harden and band up in various places. 

My pain threshold has increased significantly, but I am still very sensitive, and using that level of pain right out of the box with no warmup still hurts a lot. My ability to process has changed, but not the nerves or skin, as best as I can tell.

I want to address the "try it on yourself first, as hard as you use it" thing a few other people mentioned. I'm a switch, and there are plenty of things I can't take, but have been with bottoms, switches, or submissives who love those tools or that level of pain. Each person is an individual, so knowing what it feels like to me isn't necessarily helpful in determining how hard to use it on someone else. Also, I cannot take anywhere near as much pain that is self-inflicted as I can within the context in the scene. It's hard to get into the headspace where I can process the pain effectively. Furthermore, there are some toys that are just unwieldy to use on yourself - I've accidentally caught myself on the backswing with a singletail occasionally, but I can't *aim* at myself. Long canes, Dragon's tongues, snake whips, and other such longer toys are even more difficult to reach yourself with the business end. Sure, I'll give my leg or hand a few taps with a new toy, to get a feel for how it compares to others I've used before. I don't feel that people need to self-flagellate before they can dominate as a general rule.

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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 1/29/2009 3:06:06 PM   
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I can't stand that you used the word wimpy. It's really dismissive, no matter what you claim. When your attitude changes your behaviour will change and she will change,too.

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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 2/5/2009 9:15:40 AM   
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hi, when i met my master 2 yrs ago i couldnt tolerate pain and was very nervous. It has taken time patience and expertise from my master to teach me and help me to allow myself to try new things. Now i too am a pain slut who likes nothing more than a wonderful caning and flogging! but you have to build up trust and make sure she knows that when she says stop you will, because if she cant trust you to stop you will never allow her to grow and accept more at her own pace for you both to enjoy the pleasure

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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 2/5/2009 4:39:00 PM   
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Well, I'm sure the OP isn't interested in my opinion, but I've found the discussion interesting for my own purposes anyway. That's the good thing. Even if the OP doesn't benefit from it, other people do.

I'll throw a few more tricks out.
Moisturizer helps. Dry skin damages more and hurts more.
Being warm helps. If you're shaking from cold you will be tense. And warm skin seems to stretch better.
Journal. My Dom has me write the next day. In that letter I can say whatever I want. It's my way of processing.

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RE: How to make a Wimpy girl more open to pain? - 2/5/2009 5:28:39 PM   
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When I first became a submissive Master who now my husband would get me very aroused before, during and after beating or whipping me. I learned to associate arousal with pain so it's something I love.

I slowly built up to being able to accept or tolerate a good deal of pain even though I have always liked it. Some days I can tolerate unbelievable amounts of pain. Some days I don't want any pain.  Sometimes I have little tolerance for pain. I never know how I will feel until Master starts.
One thing I appreciate about Master is he has always stopped before I needed him to or tried to anticipate my level of tolerance and has never made me feel bad or less than if I can't take what he dishes out.  All my experiences with him have been positive and loving and that just makes me want to take more in order to please him more.

Something that may work for you and your sub is the way Master would spank me with a belt and then rub his hands lightly over the welt and let them slide down between my legs. The entire session to me was geared toward being erotic for both of us. It turned Master on to make me wet and then to hear me whimper because it hurt. One followed the other so that even if it hurt, I had the erotic sensations to look forward to immediately after. Develop or work toward a situation that isn't just about pain but about levels of trust, eroticism and control.

Perhaps it is the way your initiating the pain.  T1981 and many others make a good point when they say re-evaluate how your beginning and ending this. Everyone is not a pain slut nor does every one enjoy pain.

Above all else have patience and appreciation for the gift of trust she is giving you.

Good luck,

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