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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:30:15 PM

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I question the bonuses, but you can't dismiss them out of hand as only greed, many of these folks have contracts for employment that have a lower salary than they are worth on the market and are paid the difference in bonuses.

That said I still agree the bonuses have to be seriously looked at.

But the line was "There will be a time for profits and a time for bonuses this is not the time." (understood is for either of them)

@Housesub4you
As to the Bush/Republican sidetrack you seam to forget that it was over the votes against the last bailout by Republicans that it passed.
Care to have the votes posted? couldn't have passed without the Democrates votes since they have control of the House who controls the purse, and the Senate. So Bush and the Democratic Congress Passed it over the objections of the Republicans who voted against it.

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:34:06 PM

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I question the bonuses, but you can't dismiss them out of hand as only greed, many of these folks have contracts for employment that have a lower salary than they are worth on the market and are paid the difference in bonuses.

[sarcasm] Our hearts bleed for them, poor little things. [/sarcasm]

Off with their heads

: to the barricades!

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:36:53 PM

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philosophy you're spinning him cover by ignoring the entire first part of the quote. Had he ment the bonuses only then he would have certainly said the bonuses only. Was it a fulb I hope it was an innocent flub, but I fear it was an opppps my slip is showing moment.

...ok, no link provided, so forgive me for just cutting and pasting......
“There will be time for them to make profits. And there will be time for them to get bonuses, now is not that time.”

........amazing how a changed comma or two changes things.

You're the one spinning here Archer. i've spent a bit of time googling away on this to see if i can find a transcript....and guess what, no-one, absolutely no-one (except for you and Sanity apparently) read that as refering to profits. Universally they read it as applying to bonuses. You're taking a comma or two, from the transcription of a verbally delivered speech and reading a totally different spin into it than virtually everyone else.

Wait for a while.....no-one is perfect so Obama will make a substantive mistake at one point. You don't have to portray yourself as someone so desperate for something to criticise in Obama that you'll leap on a comma.

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:37:43 PM

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The double standard at work!

William Corr, whose name Mr. Obama put forward this morning to be deputy secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, was, until September 2008, a federal lobbyist with the Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids, lobbying Congress unsuccessfully to require the Food and Drug Administration to regulate tobacco.

You are absolutely correct.

I sure don't want anyone who lobbied for "tobacco free kids" to be representing me!!!!!!

Hey, tobacco company CEO's have to eat too, right?

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:40:46 PM

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The double standard at work!
So when W flubbed a line ( or 156 kabillion) he is an idiot/moron/nincompoop/chimp,but when "O" does it, no problem. When W tried to go out a locked door he was a idiot/moron/nincompoop/chimp, but when "O" does it , its not a problem.

I'm sorry if you cannot see the difference between Obama's oratory skill and those of Bush then there is actually little further to discuss.

However, there is truth that the hiring of William Lynn is in contrast to what he said he would do.

As far as William Corr goes, yeah he lobbied to keep tobacco away from kids....This is not exactly the type of lobbyist that we have in mind when we think what is going wrong in Washington. Nonetheless, Corr said he would recuse himself if his job touched on tobacco issues. Will he? Who knows.

It is funny to watch Republicans now get all huffy and puffy about Obama. face it, it took a perfect storm to get a black guy into the white house. If you want to blame anybody just look at your own party and the absolute failures that it has persued over the last two terms.

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:42:39 PM

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i think the President was saying that bonuses and profit should go hand and hand....but bonuses after a bailout???? That's not Socialism, that's insanity!

Should we reward these execs for failing their investers by taking tax dollars from hard working people? That doesn't seem to be the best example of Capitalism.

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:44:05 PM

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Clearly what Obama meant to say was that "It is time to kill whitey."

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:45:06 PM

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Clearly what Obama meant to say was that "It is time to kill whitey."

...and the murder weapon will be a viciously raised thermostat....

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:46:45 PM

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Clearly what Obama meant to say was that "It is time to kill whitey."

...and the murder weapon will be a viciously raised thermostat....

They will perish, for they can't take the heat!...For fucksake those fuckers walk around in shorts in the middle of Winter!

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:47:48 PM

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I'm really only hammering the line because it's only fair. After exposing the flub which I started with the original post, th lfe of this was taken over by those wanting to defend President Obama going beyond the call and it becomes fun from there in another way. kinda a OK shoes on the other foot now, now it's time to hammer the flubs of our new President just as hard as they were hammered (often rightfully so) on the last one.

Bottom line is the line included the idea that now was not the time for profits it's right there plain as day.

philosophy I'm glad you can tell the difference between a comma and a period in a verbal speach cause that's quite a skill.
I have heard the excerpt and for you to definatively say t"hat's a period not a comma" is equally silly to me arguing that "no it's a comma not a period." It wasn't on the teleprompter from what the reports I've seen say, so nobody can say for sure.

I thought the quote was and is a funny flub a way that one can take the verbal words. Adding in the rest of the conjecture about Obama seeing profit as evil was spin for the same reason folks spun Bush's flubs beyond reason into huge balls of venom. Be cause it's fun to poke at the verbal misques of a president.

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:48:53 PM

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Clearly what Obama meant to say was that "It is time to kill whitey."

...and the murder weapon will be a viciously raised thermostat....

< Message edited by T1981 -- 1/30/2009 2:49:20 PM >

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:51:55 PM

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Adding in the rest of the conjecture about Obama seeing profit as evil

Well, if you really think that Obama thinks profit is evil, then I would ask you to pony up my share of that 700 billion dollar bailout. Since you don't have a problem with that kind of profit....

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:52:06 PM

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Oh no the thermostate will be the other way drop the legal allowable thermostat setting for the country to 34 degrees except in the whitehouse where the report is the Oval office is set to Orchid Greenhouse temperatures. LOL

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:52:24 PM

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The double standard at work!
So when W flubbed a line ( or 156 kabillion) he is an idiot/moron/nincompoop/chimp,but when "O" does it, no problem. When W tried to go out a locked door he was a idiot/moron/nincompoop/chimp, but when "O" does it , its not a problem.

I'm sorry if you cannot see the difference between Obama's oratory skill and those of Bush then there is actually little further to discuss.

However, there is truth that the hiring of William Lynn is in contrast to what he said he would do.

As far as William Corr goes, yeah he lobbied to keep tobacco away from kids....This is not exactly the type of lobbyist that we have in mind when we think what is going wrong in Washington. Nonetheless, Corr said he would recuse himself if his job touched on tobacco issues. Will he? Who knows.

It is funny to watch Republicans now get all huffy and puffy about Obama. face it, it took a perfect storm to get a black guy into the white house. If you want to blame anybody just look at your own party and the absolute failures that it has persued over the last two terms.

Well correct me if I am wrong but in the statement made by "O" he made no distinction between good or bad lobbyist.

Quote "When I am president, they won't find a job in my White House," Mr. Obama said at a campaign event in Spartanburg, S.C., in November 2007.”

Can you point out where in that statement he says good or bad lobbyist?

I checked in twice, 13 words, I don’t see the word good or bad in there.
Can you point it out to me?

Oh perhaps in this quote

"They have not funded my campaign, they will not get a job in my White House, and they will not drown out the voices of the American people when I am president."

well I don’t see the word good in there either.
Again can you point it out to me?

I dont care who is president, I do not tolerate lies.
a lie is a lie is a lie.
and the sheeple are OK with it.
ROFLMAO!

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:52:45 PM

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Did i miss something....did Pres. Obama just say Mandela is dead?????

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:53:53 PM

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I'm really only hammering the line because it's only fair. After exposing the flub which I started with the original post, th lfe of this was taken over by those wanting to defend President Obama going beyond the call and it becomes fun from there in another way. kinda a OK shoes on the other foot now, now it's time to hammer the flubs of our new President just as hard as they were hammered (often rightfully so) on the last one.

It is fair and it is fun to poke at our President's flubs. But to suggest that there is anything more to this than a flub is rather ridiculous.

The guy is a tremendous speaker who is personally responsible for the majority of the speaches that he has given...It is a far and refreshing cry from the last guy that didn't like to read books.

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:56:16 PM

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T1981 are you even reading the entire thing I wrote?????????

I said I poked at the idea that Obama thinks profits are evil because it was fun to poke at the reveared one. Had I really thought Obama was that far down the socialist line I wouldn't have made the title of the post include the word flubbed. I would have gone right to the idea and definatively accused it, rather than say specifically 2-3 times that I thought and hoped it was a flub.

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 2:58:05 PM

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philosophy I'm glad you can tell the difference between a comma and a period in a verbal speach cause that's quite a skill.
I have heard the excerpt and for you to definatively say t"hat's a period not a comma" is equally silly to me arguing that "no it's a comma not a period." It wasn't on the teleprompter from what the reports I've seen say, so nobody can say for sure.

(my italics)

....ok, i'd agree with that.....but you started this by stating categorically that Obama was against profit. You, apparently, have the advanced version of the comma/period spotting skill......

Come on Archer, sauce for the goose and all that. All you've accused me of is spinning the line one way.....after you spun it the other. The intent of the line is clear.......and all your spin appears to be designed to do is distract from that intent.

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 3:00:03 PM

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Of course it's ridiculous domiguy, that's what makes it fun. the line was a low hanging curve at half speed of course I gotta swing at it. LOL

President Obama said from the oval orchid office today "No heat for you, you must conserve energy."

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RE: Obama pulls a Bush (Flubbed line) - 1/30/2009 3:03:02 PM

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philosophy but I have admitted to spining it for the purpose of fun and fairplay several times. Did you miss them???

LOL

I've defended the original idea because it was fun to spin people's heads, as they scrambled to defend a flub that was such a low hanging slow pitch, that it is raw meat for the right. Admitted to it 3 or 4 times openly.

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