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MarsBonfire -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 8:30:33 AM)
I think Jerry Seinfeld asked the question first on a national stage: "If I LIKE their race... is it really racist?" Is it racist if hordes of white middle age men have a thing for asian girls? Is it racist if you can go into an adult store and find entire shelves of porn listed under "interracial?" Is it racist if you, a white female, find black Doms really sexy? I doubt it. Fetishisim, for other races, or for giving your own race preference for sexual attraction, is not something that people can really control. Whereas being racist, deciding to discriminate against others for employment, social fellowship, and rights within a society, is really a choice. (A choice for ignorance.) Still, it's good to know that you have other critera for getitng involved with a Dom. No one likes being chosen just because they are black, white, asian, fat, thin, or just because they have huge boobs or cock. Remembering that you are chosing a PERSON to love, and not just a physical aspect of them, is the main thing.

UPSG -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 9:40:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: scarlethiney Oh for god's sake. What a bunch of crap. Many people live in urban areas of the United States. Race has nothing to do with it. The economic status of any area or neighborhood does not define all the inhabitants of that area and certainly not in the negative way your depicting. Your correct about one thing..........you are projecting quite a lot of speculative bullshit and unsubstantiated assumptions that reek of racism. Actually, I don't know how racist I am. I would racially qualify as Black-American and was born and bred in Black-America. I'm just giving my viewpoint based upon what I know of certain Midwestern cities post 1970's and industrial boom era. Cleveland, Detroit, or Gary, Indiana I would hazard to guess are a bit different in culture than Portland. Keeping in mind everyone of those cities boasts murder rates higher than some third world nations. Gary, Indiana - like Compton out in L.A. - is about as bad as Rio de Janeiro. My own city for a while boasted a murder rate that rivaled Mexico City. And violent crime, including murder, are generally not spread democratically throughout a city or metropolitan, it usually tends to be confined to certain areas (at least largely). Being that as it is, given that "averages" (mathematically) are a balancing point in the weight of various sets of numbers, looking at any city's homicide or violent crime rate, especially if the city is over 100,000 will project inner city areas meeker than what they are. (I would suspect many neighborhoods have homicide rates approaching 100 per 100,000 but since statistics are not usually done to narrow in on specific areas within a city we may never really know) If that young lady came from Portland to the predominately Black inner-city sections of say Chicago or Milwaukee, it would behoove her to comprehend that for the male and females of Generation X on downward, Larry Hoover has had a greater social impact on them than Martin Luther King Jr. You are then delving into an area of ethics that differs greatly from what those in academia might consider right and wrong. Much of it predicated upon its own system of Omerta if you will. Urban areas abound throughout the U.S., very true. However, I wouldn't say Jackson, Mississippi has the same cultural experience of mob influenced Italian-American culture as Youngstown, Ohio. Is that ethnocentric or just a sociologoical fact? Probably either or depending on what level of emphasis or stereotyping we put into that. My only thing was to give a friendly warning. I know very well all young Black males (or females) are not predators or exploitive or even violent in any sense. However, survival within any inner-city or central city area generall comes with a development of cynicism and suspecion. And I don't mean that necessarily about race as much as about the inhabitans within any given area you live or travel in. You become distrustful. My view would be similar about poor urban Whites or Latinos. Here is a city-data.com link on Portland. With it's homicide rate it ought to be a city in Europe or Canada. http://www.city-data.com/city/Portland-Oregon.html

UPSG -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 9:51:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: scarlethiney In my opinion in his post he(UPSG) refers to black men specifically, then back steps and says he isn't referring to all black men. That is racist. When you single out one group of people based on ethnicity or economic status then your being racist. He also alludes to the presumption that everyone who lives in a depressed economy is possibly someone the OP needs to be careful of. There are every ethnicity of the rainbow in inner cities. The majority are hard working families and single parents. Lets be honest here. He could have just as easily said "Be careful when meeting anyone online or in person". He made it about race. And by the way yes when someone makes a comment that points out a difference and that reference includes race then "I" consider that to be racist. You can use your genetic argument all you want. We all bleed red blood doesn't matter where you come from or what your genetics are. Single parents perhaps. Hardworking? Well that is up to question. I think certain attributes were more common among the WWII and Baby Boomer poor. UW-Milwaukee in a study a few years ago, found certain neighborhoods in Milwaukee economically devastated wherein few single mothers worked and most the young men were either in jail, prison, or were on "paper" (probation/parole) with felonies. I know Obama came from Hawaii, but Hawaii is a long shot off from Detroit.

persephonee -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 10:05:58 AM)
i saw some of the more recent posts in response to your OP and decided to sidestep the racial arguement therein...and just go at your post without reading everyone else's responses... i have a black dominant playpartner, ive played with him for about a year on a weekly basis. i play with a few men and am not owned at this time. When i am with one of "my" doms, i am theirs for that amount of time, completely. Every once in a while when hes saying deliciously horrid things to me he will bring up his race and mine and what it means and how things corrolate...and i dont know if im just a guilty white liberal, or maybe its just that i was raised correctly...i dont see it. He dominates me because he is deliciously cruel and knows how to work every part of me, mind, body and spirit...he drives me as if i were a Ferrari, and i love him for it. i havent really spent any time in fantasyland thinking up racial scenarios in relation to him. i have enough to contend with in realtime with him. Sometimes race gets a bit touchy here on the boards, but whatever scene youre looking to get...and its truly not important what the theme even is...the best thing to do is to find an honest, trustworthy, sadistic bastard to take you where you need to go... Good luck with your search. perse

MsDDom -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 10:41:12 AM)
i will answer the original w/ perhaps racial dominance may not have been the right term to express that u have a preference (as NCNutCase stated) for a black Dom. i can see the use of those words send folks off on a rant. YET, as NCNutCase stated, it could function well as a "theme". if it is a turn on, seek what u (and only u) desires w/ the normal rules and guidelines u require. i like the politically correct statement as well from VioletGray...especially in this lifestyle. most of what W/we do is "not correct" in society's eyes. i have been approached by many white male sub/slave who express a racial preference. i dont fault them; it is what they seek and desire. that is the freedom the lifestyle brings...

Daddysredhead -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 12:12:22 PM)
I agree with so much of what VioletGray had to post. (BTW, I laughed my ass off at the visual of her swatting the crack pipe out of the Crip's hand.) What we do is considered so touchy and taboo by the majority of society, that it just gobsmacks me when one of our own expresses interest in something rather particular, and the rest of the group knocks them down for it. What a crock of hypocritical shit. That just says, "My kink is better than your kink and the fact that you like xyz, just means that you are sub-par in some fashion." Please people, get real. For me, DB is my first and only partner in this lifestyle. I was a kink-bent slut in the nilla world for a long time and then I met DB and found out that there was a whole community of people who had the same desires as me. Now, I don't think that it means that I only like black Doms, but as far as my preference for who gets my attention, I have always liked guys with dark hair, dark eyes, and darker skin than mine (which isn't hard to find considering I'm almost dayglo white, lol). I was married to a guy from Sri Lanka who met all those criteria, and who (at the time) filled the rest of the list of what I was looking for in a mate. I've dated other ethnicities, including a few blonde, white men. But it never meant that I didn't give a second look to a hot, dark guy, and wonder if he was a good person, etc. I find it extremely funny (in a sad, pathetic way) that people in an "alternative" lifestyle would judge someone else because they have a preference one way or the other. My Master does not like thin girls for anything other than friendship. He likes His ladies to be thick or BBW, race not important, and if they happen to be redheads, than it's a bonus. (yay me) I like dark men who are thick and "comfortable" looking. Skinny, athletic built men just don't set my panties on fire the way a big guy does. Does that make me "size-ist"? If so, I really don't care. I like what I like. If it doesn't suit any one else, so what? If littleannie wants to hook up with a black guy who can take her to where she needs to go to get off and have her submissive needs met, I think it's no one's business to criticize. Personally, I love it when DB tells me (in moments of yummyness) that He loves to see the color contrast of our skin because it gets Him off. I find it pretty hot. If other people in this lifestyle like to pretend that they are "colorblind," well, go right ahead. I'm not gonna lie - sexy, intelligent, strong dark men make my bra wanna pop off. I'm not ashamed. And if you like it when someone grabs your hair, tells you that you're a nasty little shit who needs to have the hell beat out of you while your Top whistles Yankee Doodle Dandy - go for it. Just let me watch... I may have found a kink I didn't know I had yet. [;)] ~ Red

Lashra -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 1:05:52 PM)
littleannie here is my two cents worth. Your fantasy is not WAY out there, it is quite common actually. If it will make you happy and fulfilled as a person then do it. Just remember to be cautious as people of all colors, genders, religions can be dangerous. Use your common sense and trust your gut as you would when meeting a vanilla man. You should be fine. Good luck, ~Lashra

UPSG -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 1:08:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMAAM1 [sm=wtf.gif] quote: Chicks like you though, make me think I ought to pursue being an exploitative dominant rather than being a sub open to being exploited. I've had more than one chick from the street tell me I could become a pimp, but in a way I'm too soft for that. I dunno. You know, this isn't the first time you've written something that made me say [sm=wtf.gif]. We're on a BDSM site which entails sex of all forms, with as many people as one desires, and in as many combinations as one desires. There are dominants who take sex, money and the authority to sleep or not with other men from submissives, and none of them have ever been judged. In this case, you are freaked out, because she's a pretty white young lady, and you say she's the one with issues about past taboos! Hello pot, meet kettle, I mean littleannie. You also condescendingly assume she doesn't know what she wants/is doing, and call her a chick, as if you have the right to talk down to her. As for whether you are projecting... Excellent choice of words You read to much into what I said. I've got nothing against her acquiring a Black dom. What I suggested was that she be cautious. Anyone from the inner-cities is aware - at least I think so - of the popularity over the last several decades of young, White, women or teenage girls, cruising several in a car down high traffic areas of the Black inner-cities. My impression is that many of them think the inner-cities are like what they see on MTV. That's my impression. They giggle asking directions and think they're entering a world of "honor" like some Godfather like movie they see on TV. What is regarded as "honor" is much different then what they see on TV. When they end up on all fours with a group of more vicious young men standing, encircling them, watching a pit bull fuck them, then they might learn that the only honorable thing around here is to strike hard a fast and to keep quite after bodies are buried. Not every young man is like that in the inner-city, in fact I would say the vast majority aren't that vicious to do something of that nature. However, there are some out there like that, and it would behoove a person to be aware they do exist. Now, everyone is free to their own opinion, I was only offering a suggestion (and I'll admit I can see how it could be misconstrued due to some of my diction and tone). Would it help if I were to add - cede - that in the inner-cities one can also find some big sisterly and big brotherly figures that will charitably extend advise and protection to you? Those are more the types of figures I would suggest she try and find. But like you infer, I might be underestimating both her life experience and her "smarts." Possibly she is "smarter" than me [shrug] I don't know.

came4U -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 1:10:25 PM)
I am not sure if I qualify to post since I don't know any black men and the chances of running into one is slim to none, I think in my lifetime I have had mere minutes of conversation with anyone black. Anyhoo, if that man wanted to subject me to submission merely because of I was white, I would tend that he has anger issues with 'the man' and in this case he would be the racist/bigot towards me for no apparent reason. If approached by one who decidedly enjoys this kink as a sport I would suggest he stick to Panther meetings or find another sucker to be his punching bag for his misguided aggression (towards me). My country took in and hid slaves. There is no reason why I should be used as fodder for the misdeeds of previous generations done to a people in a different time and place. Canadians didn't advocate slavery then, and we certainly wouldn't tolerate it now. Now if he chose to align with me and begin as equals in being strangers and it progressed that he could dominate me as a 'person' leaving out what color we are, now we are talkin'. But no, wouldn't be into the politics of any race wars within a relationship.

FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 1:19:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UPSG I don't know how racist I am. I would racially qualify as Black-American and was born and bred in Black-America That is the very place where we learn to hate others, or ourselves unfortunately... As I recall, your profile says you are of mixed race, and you have a heavy humiliation kink. Are you still projecting how you feel about black men? So very nice of you to want to protect the OP with stastistics. Shouldn't she stay away from men altogether if violence statistics are going to save her? M

UPSG -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 1:31:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VioletGray Usually i'm content to observe and watch the natural evolution of a discussion, but I just have to chime in here. First, let me say that I am a firm believer that kinks do not have to be politically correct. If black people don't do it for you that's fine, if you're only attracted to people from a small island of the coast of Japan, fine. But some of the replies here, while I understand that they mean well, smell of predjudice. She basically said, "I'm attracted to black men, and I love the idea of one dominating me. Can anyone else sympathize?" And you would have thought that she said, "I'm going to go into the projects, swat the crack pipe out of some crip's hand and ask him to be my domme. Please establish doubt." The whole "Be careful, many black men come from poor areas and may be dangerous, and abuse or exploit you" is only relevant if her method of selection is by spinning that giant wheel from The Price is Right. I'm going to assume that she's not just choosing someone at random. I for one, am going to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that she's at least of average intelligence, and has *standards. If someone tells me she's going out for a burger, I'm going to assume that its not a burger she found in an alley somewhere. But yes, please be careful, not because he's black or white, but because he's a man that you don't know yet.* I agree with some of what you say from start to finish. There are some things I think you overgeneralize for the benefit of your own point, however. A Crip may or may not be addicted to crack. Many are not, and many of them despise crack smokers. A person like Tupac Shakur was college educated, survived multiple gun shot wounds, defeated one or two off-duty cops in a shootout, observed a gang rape, became a convict, and reputedly became a Vice Lord while incarcerated. Tupac was perhaps the most beloved Black male - by Black women - of his generation. Some of his fans to this day, treat him similar to Elivis and refuse to believe he's dead. Tupac was a millionare, so was Suge Knight, and so is 50 Cent one of the "realist" rappers of our time. Industrial industry began leaving Black urban areas from Oakland to Pittsburgh a long time ago (circa 1970's). Few Americans regardless of their race, have ever finished post-secondary education to recieve a bachelor degree (not that that would matter today anyways given the economic situation). The loss of industrial jobs throughout the former industrial cities of the U.S. have impacted Black-Americans from Generation X on downward perhaps the hardest. Without writing an essay, all I'm trying to acknowledge is that due to a number of variables, various developments have occured (within Black-American society) since the 1980's. One might argue that is also true of White-America or Latino-America or Hmong-America or whatever else "America" and they might be correct about that. By the way, lovely photo (avatar).

LunaVenus -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 1:50:29 PM)
I never see any black men like you describe except on television, and I quickly change the channel. If I hear Ebonics on a phone call I quickly hang up and block the number. Mistress likes her half white men from the suburbs and rural areas only who live amid white America and are totally Euro centric. LOL Most of them actually look white (Italian) too ....maybe a slight tan and wavy dark hair. UHHHH lol You might mistake them for anything other than what they are...Just like Mistress herself. Most think I am white... and indeed I am ....half. Mistress never plays with dark blacks or inner city dwellers.... She is elitist. I hope the OP finds the caliber of men ethnic men that Mistress herself enjoys....they are such a detectable treat. PS By the way, if any such toys read my words, you must write me immediately...uhmmmmm lol

UPSG -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 2:07:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMAAM1 quote: ORIGINAL: UPSG I don't know how racist I am. I would racially qualify as Black-American and was born and bred in Black-America That is the very place where we learn to hate others, or ourselves unfortunately... As I recall, your profile says you are of mixed race, and you have a heavy humiliation kink. Are you still projecting how you feel about black men? So very nice of you to want to protect the OP with stastistics. Shouldn't she stay away from men altogether if violence statistics are going to save her? M I was only bringing up certain statistical matters to help back up some of my points given some of the misunderstanding (rightly or wrongly) and objections to my first post in this thread. But one of my major premises had to do with my own personal knowledge of some things that can happen to young, White women naively entering into close associations with some members of the "hood." I'll admit that is anecdotal but so was most Black's experiences South of the Mason-Dixon line. And I never suggested she stay away from Black men. That is apparently what you want to believe I was trying to communicate since you seem stuck on this point. I've learned from personal experience (in my younger years) to be careful about the White men I drink around. Anecdotal as it may be, my experience has been that when drunk, a good number of them will have diminished inhibition enough to confide in you their racist feelings - per using pejorative language. Some how I doubt you would take issue if I cautioned young, Black males about getting drunk with White males they don't have a close knit association with. Truth be told I feel more comfortable around "lower-class" Blacks, especially those more associated with "Folks" than "Peoples," but this all depends on variables too. I'm not very much into cruelty so I feel uncomfortable around cruel men whether or not they are from the lower-classes or associated with "Folks." But in general I prefer down-to-earth people (my only complaint is that I wish more poor and lower-middle-class Blacks would increase their erudition). I talk much different in person than I do typing on some of the posts I do. In person I probably speak in the vernacular common to lower or at least lower-middle-class Black-Americans. Granted, I don't go around saying "Woo woo." Yeah, I have a heavy humiliation kink (which is always at odds with the fighter in me), but that doesn't mean I couldn't make a loyal, good pet for a Black mistress with a nicely shaped, pronounced butt. There are some Black women - mistresses - that I'm confident, while enjoying and benefiting from service and exploitation of such a pet, would take it as part of their responsibility, and charity, to protect such a pet from potential harm (by other males or females). On the other hand, there might be a minority of Black female doms out there, that would light you on fire (literally) for money, or try and convince you to rob a bank for them (so they could take the cash and you the prison time). So, I guess it partly comes down to being cognizant of the dominant woman you are falling deeper into association with or submission to.

UPSG -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 2:17:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LunaVenus I never see any black men like you describe except on television, and I quickly change the channel. If I hear Ebonics on a phone call I quickly hang up and block the number. Mistress likes her half white men from the suburbs and rural areas only who live amid white America and are totally Euro centric. LOL Most of them actually look white (Italian) too ....maybe a slight tan and wavy dark hair. UHHHH lol You might mistake them for anything other than what they are...Just like Mistress herself. Most think I am white... and indeed I am ....half. Mistress never plays with dark blacks or inner city dwellers.... She is elitist. I hope the OP finds the caliber of men ethnic men that Mistress herself enjoys....they are such a detectable treat. PS By the way, if any such toys read my words, you must write me immediately...uhmmmmm lol Well I don't come from the rural areas, although I respect them. I know some murderers and "criminals." A few are dead and a few in prison and more of them still out on the streets. This is one reason I can't "play" as a slave but would have to commit to being a real slave if I ever decided to cross that line. Because "playing" if found out, could get my jaw or leg broke, and all my associations would end via rejection of me. In the end I would have neither mistress nor friends because of "playing" innocently. In my case, I would have to choose one or the other, coexisting in both worlds would either be too dangerous or too costly.

ALAstella -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 2:28:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LunaVenus There are people that are TRASH in every race and there are people who are REFINED and of Quality in every race. As a BIRACIAL person myself having one white parent and one black, perhaps I have been well exposed to the pluses and minuses in both races. I suggest you take a long time researching your master and seek one who is of quality and refined, articulate and possessing sophistocated tastes. But this is true with any race of dom, You do not want a trashy beer slinginging red neck slurring curses, any more than a project hood from the ghetto speaking in Ebonics. All of that garbage is to be rejected. Find a good one.... Personally I prefer MIXED mulattos like myself or OTHER. I think they are most sexy and maybe more inclined to be refined....maybe. Choose wisely. you may have to go through much muck to find a jewel. Oh, just when we get over the racist issue up pops the fascist issue.

LunaVenus -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 2:29:42 PM)
USPG, darling... you are from too rough a place for Mistress. Say it isn't so!

Phoenixpower -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 2:34:41 PM)
yawn

NCNutCase -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 2:45:38 PM)
I think I've read every post in this thread... and I don't recall any of them suggesting that littleannie (the OP) stay away from black men... I have seen many suggest she should be careful in searching out a partner to explore with... some have suggested to employ additional caution due to her racial preference, other disagree that additional caution should be had... but none suggest she not be cautious... So from what I see, in direct response to the littleannie, we all agree... As to expressing racist views, or defining racism in others... it's all fairly off topic... In the few posts I've seen from you littleannie, you seem rather level headed. Best of luck in finding what you are interested in, and there's nothing wrong with your preference. If you have questions about how to keep yourself safe in your pursuit don't hesitate to ask for input.

RedMagic1 -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 3:32:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UPSG When they end up on all fours with a group of more vicious young men standing, encircling them, watching a pit bull fuck them, I've been in a lot of housing projects, and (for example) spent a lot of time in the "lower bottom" of west Oakland, before the city started gentrifying it. So (1) a lot of residents of those projects are Vietnamese or Lao, not just black. There are even low-income white people in the United States, believe it or not. But also (2) I've seen a variety of things that I can't mention because of TOS issues, but young men passing gash to their animals when they could have an extra piece for themselves? Never even heard of it happening. You've been watching "Hostel-The Ghetto Version" or something. The poorest black neighborhoods in the country are also the most churched neighborhoods in the country. People fight for their ethics and morals against tremendous odds. I agree with NCNutcase's position. Be cautious -- but not a fucking paranoid whackjob -- and have fun.

lronitulstahp -> RE: black/racial domination (2/1/2009 4:14:30 PM)
quote: passing gash i know *You* didn't just do a drive by "gashing"!?!? Learn something new everyday.....and to think, i thought i knew ye!!!!!! ~tulip, who's never been lucky enough to live in "Black America" wonders if there's a section at Epcot[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m21.gif[/image]

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