RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me!

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Lockit -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/4/2009 1:09:53 PM)
Hehe.. I must be doing it wrong... I don't have a biker hat! But seriously... people are people and though there might be some differences between male dom's and female... there are some pretty scary dom's out there that have no domly education, who spout off all sorts of stuff and are pretty disgusting... I don't think it is a femdom exclusive. But the fact of the matter... we are not all alike. Some are bad... some are not and even for the bad one's... there is a match it seems. This money in exchange/gift shit is getting a lil old. One statement and we just know the person is a whore... expecting too much and uses men, when in a whole picture... it could be a great dynamic... just like the guy dom who wants his dinner cooked a certain way and expects to run the money in the household. I told someone something he was to buy and bring to my house just the other day. He didn't get attitude or scared... he might have paused and wondered... but he simply asked, what? I let him know with my answer... I wasn't thinking of only myself! It would please me of course, I would expect it to be bought and I did give a detailed discription... but it would benefit him greatly to please me. Not an exchange.. not a gift.. just good clean... naughty fun!

sirsholly -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/4/2009 1:17:34 PM)
quote: Hehe.. I must be doing it wrong... I don't have a biker hat! i do have the boots, but i am a sub. Damn...now i'm all confused!!!! holly de boot whore

Lockit -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/4/2009 1:19:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: Hehe.. I must be doing it wrong... I don't have a biker hat! i do have the boots, but i am a sub. Damn...now i'm all confused!!!! holly de boot whore LOL... you think together... we could make a switch?

MISTRESSKUMA -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/4/2009 1:25:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL: MISTRESSKUMA We Women have had mountains moved for us by men. Everything a man does he does for a woman.Really? I would have to hear from the guys on this one. And when you consider a homosexual, your theory is sorta shot in the ass If no woman existed, men would be lazy poor fat beer belly slugs.So...how do you explain the men who are lazy, poor, fat, beer belly slugs? And an FYI, cupcake, there are many, many men who take care of themselves for the purpose of feeling good. Women know they know they got what men want. Female sexuality is powerful, which is why males are more competitive and more aggressive than females - mostly in order to win female approval and mating rights.Uh...no. A competitive nature does not have its roots in the cock, Sorry. And because women prefer males who can accomplish a certain dominance rank, who can provide resources and securityI provide my own resources and security, thanks. - and that aggression is one method that males achieve these things, and was probably the primary method during the earlier stages of our beginnings in evolution.Yeah...back then aggression was the primary means of survival. These times they are a changin' But now in our modern times there are other ways that males can achieve these things, particularly the males of today - through charm and charisma, through intelligence, and of course money Reading this post of yours...i get the feeling MONEY is first on your list. Maybe you have never experienced men doing many things for you because you're too busy performing your cleaning duties around the house for some fat beer belly slug. But many women have had that experience. No shit Einstein- there are men who do take care of themselves. And yes the competitive nature of the male stems from just what I said. Yeah, I like money. Now you can go back to your cleaning duties, cupcake.

ShaktiSama -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/4/2009 1:32:56 PM)
I would agree that many women over the last few thousand years have had to use men to get their economic needs met. In many societies, this is still the case--women are deliberately cut off from the economy so that they CANNOT gain access and meet even basic needs except through a man. The Taliban was really fond of beating widows if they found them out on the street begging, for example--the fact that they would venture out into the streets alone was worthy of punishment. No woman has a right to exist in their eyes without a man to serve as her warden and gatekeeper. I would also agree that some women exploit men economically in ways that men do NOT enjoy. However, that is not what this thread is about, and I think part of what we are trying to address here is the assumption that MANY men have--dominant and submissive men--that there is NO man who enjoys being exploited economically as a sexual thrill. They exist. Period. And you need to stop blaming the women exclusively for the prevalence of this fetish. Some dominant women learn to exploit submissive men financially for much the same reason that some dominant men learn to exploit submissive women sexually--because their partners enjoy it, expect it, and get off on it. Personally, I've never been the type. If someone I genuinely cared about had this sort of humiliation fetish, though, I would learn to use it to make him hard.

sirsholly -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/4/2009 1:36:04 PM)
quote: Maybe you have never experienced men doing many things for you because you're too busy performing your cleaning duties around the house for some fat beer belly slug. He is a scientist..does not have a beer belly...and cleans up after himself rather nicely But many women have had that experience. And they put up with it. I would not No shit Einstein- there are men who do take care of themselves. But...but...here you contradict yourself...as you said the only reason men care for themselves is to attract the females of the species. And yes the competitive nature of the male stems from just what I said. Oh horseshit. A competitive nature can be derived from many things...not just the one you spouted off Now you can go back to your cleaning duties Actually...we are headed out to dinner. The cleaning duities will have to wait

sirsholly -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/4/2009 1:37:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lockit quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: Hehe.. I must be doing it wrong... I don't have a biker hat! i do have the boots, but i am a sub. Damn...now i'm all confused!!!! holly de boot whore LOL... you think together... we could make a switch? i have a mental image of you and i...mad scientists in a lab...constructing a kinky Frankenstein....[:)]

MISTRESSKUMA -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/4/2009 1:43:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly But many women have had that experience. And they put up with it. I would not It's nice, having men do nice things. [;)] "Put up with it". Nice try. They "enjoy" the things men do for them. You should try it sometime. Raise your esteem and raise your standards. As a 34 year old Woman submitting to a man there is still time.[;)][;)][;)]

Lockit -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/4/2009 1:46:39 PM)
Whoa... Kuma... I rarely if ever have said anything to you... but you are very off base. Not only in who you are upset with... but in many of the hateful things you say in many post.

T1981 -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/4/2009 1:47:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MISTRESSKUMA As a 34 year old Woman submitting to a man there is still time.[;)][;)][;)] Phhhhhttt........silly girl! Insulting a submissive for her submissiveness is about as effective as telling a rock it's made of stone. Maybe you should take all of that extra energy you claim you have and work on finding something with a little more sting? (I know it's tempting to use a cane, really, but we're talking verbal skills here, honey)

sirsholly -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/4/2009 1:48:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MISTRESSKUMA quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly But many women have had that experience. And they put up with it. I would not It's nice, having men do nice things. [;)] "Put up with it". Nice try. They "enjoy" the things men do for them. You should try it sometime. ooo...the car we decided on (for me) is a Cadillac. Does that count as a nice thing? If not...i will tell him no. [8\|]

OttersSwim -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/4/2009 1:53:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lockit Whoa... Kuma... I rarely if ever have said anything to you... but you are very off base. Not only in who you are upset with... but in many of the hateful things you say in many post. Quoted for Truth...

thegirlincharge -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/4/2009 1:59:46 PM)
Actually, I'm one of those "princesses". I'm definitely not a gold digger, but I desire and expect to be totally spoiled. Even when just dating "vanilla" I always liked to be spoiled and if I wasn't, the relationship ended. Being treated like a princess and spoiled is not always about money and material things. It's about having things done for you and being treated like a lady by a gentleman. I have absolutely no interest in some trashy guy with tons of money that throws gifts my way left and right but acts like a pig. However, you can't spoil me properly if you can't afford the nicer things in life. I have never demanded things, there is an unspoken expectation. Yes, I find many men who want to do this. It is finding men that can do it with the proper finesse that can be challenging.

OttersSwim -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/4/2009 2:41:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Then let me make it clear, so even you can understand it.....Many, not all, women that are willing to take gifts (monetary rewards) for their "services" can be persuaded to do about anything if the price is right. They have already proven they can be bought to do one thing...Why not another? For you see, the dommetutes by large (and I do mean large) are not exactly what I would call type A providers when left to survive purely upon their own abilities. It is sad when one solely relies on the fact that they have tits, twats and an ahole to produce an income. Or that they are forced to act out on another in order to keep the gravy train up and running. Nope, I am not buying that. If someone is fortunate and smart enough to use what god or nature gave them to financial gain without breaking the law, more power to them. They decide their own limits and acceptable boundaries - as do the people coming to them. Just because you don't find it morally acceptable, doesn't make it bad or wrong. Check your degrading opinion of and shockjock terms for dominant women at the door. This is the Mistresses forum and it's just bad form. [8\|]

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/4/2009 5:24:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL: MISTRESSKUMA We Women have had mountains moved for us by men. Everything a man does he does for a woman.Really? I would have to hear from the guys on this one. And when you consider a homosexual, your theory is sorta shot in the ass If no woman existed, men would be lazy poor fat beer belly slugs.So...how do you explain the men who are lazy, poor, fat, beer belly slugs? And an FYI, cupcake, there are many, many men who take care of themselves for the purpose of feeling good. Women know they know they got what men want. Female sexuality is powerful, which is why males are more competitive and more aggressive than females - mostly in order to win female approval and mating rights.Uh...no. A competitive nature does not have its roots in the cock, Sorry. And because women prefer males who can accomplish a certain dominance rank, who can provide resources and securityI provide my own resources and security, thanks. - and that aggression is one method that males achieve these things, and was probably the primary method during the earlier stages of our beginnings in evolution.Yeah...back then aggression was the primary means of survival. These times they are a changin' But now in our modern times there are other ways that males can achieve these things, particularly the males of today - through charm and charisma, through intelligence, and of course money Reading this post of yours...i get the feeling MONEY is first on your list. Well, just as a contrarian view on the subject, and a man...I didn't pick up any of the same vitriol that the above poster did. What I got from the post was...men (being men) are susceptible to a woman's charms, eager to obtain same...and through the laws of natural selection, are desirous of those things, ergo they do what's required to get said charms. I don't see that as too far off the mark.

thetammyjo -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/5/2009 6:55:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Tammyjo opined that financial domination might stem from a porn trained mind. I was talking about why men MIGHT be attracted to women who act as the OP described. I said nothing about the motivation of those whom these men interact with. The pornography actually derives from a greater cultural context either supporting the ideals of the culture or attacking them -- porn can and has done both historically speaking (taught a class on the history of erotic literature and pornography a few years ago). I'm not sure why we feel the need to judge either these men who are attracted to this type of woman or the women themselves. The reality is that both exist and must for that dynamic to continue. So the "princess persona" to use the OP term or the "bitch princess" as I termed it to look at the harshness described in the OP, will continue to exist as long as there are "subjects" to serve it and in turn as long as there are "subjects" the "princess" will continue to appear. If someone judges this dynamic as wrong then they can decide not to be in such a dynamic or, if it has been imprinted upon them during their formative sexual years, then they can work on making better and healthier choices through self-awareness. Others outside of what may well be it's own pseudo-subculture can bitch all they like but frankly it feeds upon itself and would require a massive change in the dominant culture and many generations of people to change. Even if the dominant culture changed, that "princess-subject" dynamic model may remain simply because it is unusual or exotic or forbidden. Work for all the change you like but simply making snarky comments or bitchy comments is not that work.

LaTigresse -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/5/2009 8:27:29 AM)
My ex, that was a student/waitress/clerk when I met her, then student/stripper, then stripper/whore, then stripper/whore/porn actress, then whore/secretary, now whore............is very bright. But she doesn't sugar coat what she is doing for her rent either.

Lockit -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/5/2009 8:35:17 AM)
Yeah.. but damn it... many seem to think of femdom's as sex workers! From do-me wankers to requesting something, either person... What? Do we need signs here? The mis-communications.. the red flags... the statements on motivations and trying to explain things... goes into every nook and cranny and still... people just don't get it! Whatever the hell we are... whatever the hell we do... we are all different! It's getting to the point where there are some anal aspects to all this and very personal emotions getting into things. Maybe we need to pick teams and do some sort of game/battle or something... this topic will never be concluded! lol

Voodali -> RE: Buy me gifts. Spoil me. You don't deserve me! (2/5/2009 9:32:24 AM)
quote: Call it whatever pretty word, or vulgar word, you want.....but when you tear off all the fluff, it's still making a buck or getting some sort of financial gain from sex. Some people are going to call that prostitution, and some people are going to call what they are doing power exchange, some will call it Pro Domming. But the reality is that it all boils down to an exchange of goods (money or whatever) for a sexual service rendered. If that upsets someone, I really honestly feel it is something they need to look within to deal with. I feel that in order for any relationship to be beneficial to both parties, it should involve a balance of energy exchange. In somewhat simplistic1950s vanilla terms that might entail an exchange of emotional perks for sex or housework for use of a credit card. BDSM is no different. Both parties have to feel they are getting some needs fulfilled. Part of the reason do-me subs are so disdained, I think, is that the domme being propositioned is thinking "so you want me to fulfill your kink, expend my energy and creativity on giving you what you need, and I will walk away pretty much empty-handed ?" If they both enjoy the kink in question, both parties are satisfied, but when there is a huge overflow of subs with overwhelming urges and needs, and not enough dommes who genuinely share their kink, or find them attractive, it seems only natural that said subs offer a different sort of energy exchange: money or gifts for fulfillment of kink. I just don't see what's wrong with that, since both parties come away satisfied. Its a creative solution to a bad situation. If there were no domitoots (dislike the posts, like the word), we'd be left with a lot of horny, unfulfilled, miserable subs vying with hundreds of other subs for the attention of dommes who wouldn't give them the time of day. Personally the exchange I prefer is my dommely attentions for quality companionship, affection, light housework and comic relief, but I don't really see how that's any different, and if the right sub offered me gifts or money, would I turn them down out of some sense of propriety ? Hell no ! Anyway, I'm sure everything I just said has been said and said and said before.

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