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Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power left? - 2/3/2009 5:54:33 PM   
giovani324


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Status: offline 		I was wondering if there are any Mistress's that like subs with a little will power left to crush and control.  What is the enjoyment of controlling someone who is already pathetic?
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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/3/2009 5:57:01 PM   
T1981


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Status: offline 		I would think that it depends on the mood of the mistress, and what the relationship is. For a bit of play, sure, some struggle might be fun. But for a slave relationship, most of the Mistress's here, from what I've seen, do not want to deal with the headache of having to "tame" a slave.

I could be speaking out of line, though - I'm not a domme myself. While I enjoy some power struggles in play, when my husband means buiseness, that means T1981 shuts up and does what she's told.


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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/3/2009 6:20:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		My slave has plenty of will power. That's why he's obedient.

It is his choice to be obedient to me.

My slave is not pathetic. There is beauty, strength, nobility and dignity in his complete submission to me.


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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/3/2009 6:35:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you are referring to a little bit of 'fight/definance/argument', I suppose in a very defined environment, where it's been pre-negotiated that being 'bratty' is acceptable, that type of dynamic could be fun. However, I would want that agreed upon ahead of time, otherwise, I'm just not interested.

I have no interest or desire in controlling someone who is 'pathetic'. Likewise, I have no interest in someone who wants to be 'forced', or who thinks I'm looking to give out a free ride by keeping him locked in my basement. Hell, that's more work than having a newborn baby, with none of the future hope he'll grow up.

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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/3/2009 6:42:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		A good submissive who understands and accepts My expectations is far from pathetic, but will end up with a place with Me forever--I have no interest, time or energy to "crush"--I am far too busy crushing the fools in the real world to deal with it at home.

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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/3/2009 7:19:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		OP, if you are laboring under the illusion that male submissives are pathetic, you are not hanging around the right group of people.

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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/3/2009 7:19:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pathetic? My sub is far from pathetic. He is a wonderful person, intelligent, great sense of humor. He is obedient, content and loves to make me happy. I see nothing pathetic about him. Do you equate submission with being pathetic? I have to disagree with that, I think it takes a lot of strength to submit to someone elses will.

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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/3/2009 7:29:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: giovani324

I was wondering if there are any Mistress's that like subs with a little will power left to crush and control.  What is the enjoyment of controlling someone who is already pathetic?


I am interested in where you got the idea that submissive's are pathetic and where the idea came from that a dominant wants someone with no will power and who is crushed to be controlled. 

If you do feel that a dominant crushes the will power from a submissive to control them and see yourself as still having some will power, do you find yourself more worthy than the crushed submissive's you must think the rest are? 

Your view of all of us is rather jaded and insulting and I do wonder why you would wish to identify as submissive if you think submissive's are powerless and if they are in your view... you must think you have something special that you wouldn't be crushed by a wicked dominant that squeezes the life out of our men.

There is no enjoyment in crushing another human being and I don't know one dominant that would do such a thing.

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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/3/2009 7:43:19 PM   
giovani324


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Status: offline 		Did not mean to stereotype submissives as a whole, perhaps I used a poor choice of words.  Maybe resistance would be better ... like in the sense that the hunt is more enjoyable when the prey puts up a little bit of a fight?  I don't know, was just throwing it out there.

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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/3/2009 8:03:42 PM   
LunaVenus


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Status: offline 		Giovani darling, uh you are such a handsome man. hahaha. I LOVE my slaves to love Me for the woman that I am. It is their choice darling .... and free will to LOVE me and make me feel cherished.  They are very powerful MEN. They are only subservient with ME and only because they love me so much they want me to feel that they relinquish their power  for ME and only for me out of love of the Goddess energy that flows through me.

I do not want a man that is broken. I want a man to truly LOVE ME to the point that he relinquishes the POWER that he wields in public accedes it to ME so that I know that he is truly mine.
Now do you understand my love?

< Message edited by LunaVenus -- 2/3/2009 8:05:11 PM >

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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/3/2009 8:12:04 PM   
Lockit


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Status: offline 		I see resistance exactly for what it is.  If a man doesn't willingly wish to be submissive and to be mine... there is no need for anything to take place.  I want intelligence, humor, honor, ethic's, confidence and a man who know's himself, who is willing to know me.  Then if he wishes to submit and I wish to dominante... what's to resist?  I won't walk on him and if he is worried about me walking on him.... he doesn't know me or could be wounded and defensive, in which case... he has no buisness trying to be with me.

A guy who is playful and plays word games is all well and fine.. but a man so protective of his rights... that I wouldn't try to take away... is a red flag to me... he just isn't ready for my kind of life.

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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/3/2009 8:14:41 PM   
giovani324


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Status: offline 		Yes I understand Luna ... thank you all for your insite

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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/3/2009 8:40:12 PM   
Andalusite


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Status: offline 		Physical resistance play like wrestling can be fun, but if someone doesn't want to submit to me, then I'm not at all interested in making him do so. I like men who are strong and have lots of willpower. If they are submissive, I want them to channel it into doing what *I* want. Brats are too much drama for my taste.

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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/3/2009 8:54:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming

My slave has plenty of will power. That's why he's obedient.

It is his choice to be obedient to me.

My slave is not pathetic. There is beauty, strength, nobility and dignity in his complete submission to me.



couldnt have said it better...
no One wants a pathetic sub/slave...


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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/3/2009 9:25:24 PM   
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no One wants a pathetic sub/slave...

Unfortunately, I have to disagree.  More precisely: no one I could respect wants a pathetic relationship partner, in any relationship, nilla or D/s.  I've seen plenty of people go after pathetic individuals, and build toxic non-relationships with them.  It's sociopathic, but it sure happens.

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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/4/2009 4:45:13 AM   
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You're right, there is no enjoyment in controlling someone who is “pathetic”. My sub is far from pathetic. His submission to me takes strength, patience, courage and tenacity amongst other things. He is an intelligent, thoughtful, hardworking, sensitive, talented and a productive human being. He submits to me with grace and pride; my subs “will power” is very strong. I feel you have some kind of male sub stereotype going on, maybe? I suspect very few people would actually want someone in their lives that they genuinely thought was pathetic.

“Resistance”? No. Major resistance from my submissive to any ordinary request would be telling me something is very wrong. I have no desire for 'real' power struggles. In my circumstances, I would consider “resistance” with no justifiable cause other then ego, a 'weakness'. Pre-arranged 'spiritedness' whilst playing can be fun when I am in the mood, and I have given my sub the scope and permission for this, but only when I encourage it. But we both know that it is 'playing'. Any undue 'spiritedness' outside of playing would not be tolerated, indeed, he doesn't exhibit it.

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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/4/2009 5:59:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Most people who call male submissives "pathetic" just consider them "pathetic" because they love and serve the women in their lives. They think very little of women, so by extension they think very little of men who serve women.

If by "will power" you mean "the will to dominate me", then no, I'll say flat out that I have no use for it.  I consider men who force me to fight with them all the time exhausting and a pain in the ass.  I hate the waste of energy involved.

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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/4/2009 6:18:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I couldnt even fake an interest in a man, submissive or otherwise,who is unable to meet me on equal terms. Shooting fish in a barrel has never been my idea of fun. If the point behind the exercise is to crush them, I have been doing it wrong for years.
 
It's been the case that any 'resistance' offered on the part of a male submissive has been a call to my creative side. Playful resistance can make it interesting but brattiness just gets them gone.
 
Give me a bright, articulate, alpha male warrior ANY day who finds both joy and restoration in his submission and everything he needs in my care.

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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/4/2009 7:55:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		To my mind, a submissive is a bit like a Knight in the service to a Lady or Lord.  They can be many things, but weak is not usually one of them.

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RE: Any Mistress's like subs with a little will power l... - 2/4/2009 7:57:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: giovani324

I was wondering if there are any Mistress's that like subs with a little will power left to crush and control.  What is the enjoyment of controlling someone who is already pathetic?


There is none. I dont care to destroy my pets, so I expect quite a bit of will power, along with a hearty bit of self esteem.
I dont want pathetic, in the beginning and certainly dont want to make them that way.


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