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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

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Men do not respect women in those countries, they fear them. Is my belief.

I think you need to widen your horizons and learn a little bit more about such cultures. I think you may be a little misinformed by stereotypes.

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

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ORIGINAL: Nikitaa

" It is done so that she will be respected instead of looked at as a sexual object."

The women do not make the decision to dress this way. Men make the laws. My belief is these men are afraid of the sexual power of the women. The men are weak and fear a woman's sexual power. Men make laws to cover women so the men can remove power from women.

In the Qur'an, both men and women are instructed to show modesty in the way they dress.  Neither men nor women may wear clothing that is form fitting, sheer, or revealing.  The clothing isn't based on fear of a woman's power.  It is an obligation given to Muslim women by God.  By dressing so that only their hands (and sometimes faces) show, Muslim women are obeying the will of God.  However, not all Muslim women choose to dress this way.
 
There are many web sites that provide English translations of the Qur'an (Koran).  I don't know of any that have it translated into Polish or Russian, but I'm sure you could find one or use Google to translate it for you.  The tradition about covering is stated in Chapter 24, verses 30-31 and Chapter 33, verse 59. 

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ORIGINAL: Nikitaa

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ORIGINAL: antipode
I mean, is a guy with a harem kinky?

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I wish I could have sub harem. One sub for cleaning, one for errands, on for back rubs, One for sex, One for making ice, you get idea.
America should change laws of marriage. There is enough of Nikita for many men.

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ORIGINAL: Nikitaa

I wish I could have sub harem. One sub for cleaning, one for errands, on for back rubs, One for sex, One for making ice, you get idea.
America should change laws of marriage. There is enough of Nikita for many men.

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If a man desires this only is this kink? If you say yes then if a woman desires only domination from a man is this kink or is this "normal" lifestyle.

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If someone decides all decisions in a relationship are they considered dominant? I wonder if all men in the strict Arab countries are considered dominant. They want dominance but no kink.

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ORIGINAL: MsDDom

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If a man desires this only is this kink? If you say yes then if a woman desires only domination from a man is this kink or is this "normal" lifestyle.

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If someone decides all decisions in a relationship are they considered dominant? I wonder if all men in the strict Arab countries are considered dominant. They want dominance but no kink.

i think it is both...why? b/c to vanilla a man wanting a dominant woman is seen a kinky; the flip is since "lifers" dont see a kink associated to it, it can be considers "normal" (vanilla) life.

i made a majority of the decisions back in my vanilla marriage, but i was considered neither dominant or submissive...it was just a way of living. if someone analyzed it, i would have been "dominant".

i am/have been dealing w/ two men from egypt and they are submissive to the core, and one had told his wife to which she called him abnormal. i have conversed w/ other arab men who r very submissive...sissy even. i venture to say that the country of origin doesnt even matter anymore...it is what is innately within the human.

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan
Yes, what you've described is a D/s relationship.  The "kink" is in the issue of control.  There are some people who do not need or want bondage, humiliation, pain, or any of the other things one commonly thinks of as part of a BDSM relationship.  The fulfillment for the sub is in service -- doing things like cleaning the house, cooking meals, or bringing coffee to the dominant.  On the other side, the dominant person feels fulfilled by having a submissive companion who serves out of feelings of love and devotion.
 
I'm one of those dominant people.  As sadistic as I am (and I am Evil with a capital E), I could live happily without ever inflicting pain again if I had a quality D/s relationship with a compatible slave girl.

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I believe what you write is true. In my traveling I have seen many submissive men from other cultures. I was only 17 when I visited Syria with my father and not aware of kink play as I am now but I remember some things and how submissive many men where.

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ORIGINAL: Nikitaa
Most women do not wear the covering because of the will of God or because Qur'an tells them so. Most wear because men make them. In Afghanistan when Taliban was overthrown many women choose not to wear the coverings any longer. Did God change? NO! Did the Qur'an change? NO! The men in power changed.

Why do not most Muslim women in western countries wear these coverings ? Same God, same Qur'an. Different men in power is why.

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

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ORIGINAL: Nikitaa
Most women do not wear the covering because of the will of God or because Qur'an tells them so. Most wear because men make them. In Afghanistan when Taliban was overthrown many women choose not to wear the coverings any longer. Did God change? NO! Did the Qur'an change? NO! The men in power changed.

Why do not most Muslim women in western countries wear these coverings ? Same God, same Qur'an. Different men in power is why.

It's true that the Taliban turned covering into a form of oppression.  However, I don't know if it's true that "most" Muslim women only cover because men make them.  In my city, we have a large Muslim community.  The university I attend has many young Muslim women in the school and most of them cover.  I have seen Muslim women working at child care centers, grocery stores, even Wal-Mart and all of them have been covered.  When I lived in Los Angeles, my experience was similar.  I'm not sure it's accurate to say most Muslim women in western countries do not cover.

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

I would say that it's a kink if he finds it erotic or sexually exciting, which is a pretty sure bet, or he probably wouldn't be interested in it. If it doesn't have an erotic or sexual nature, then it's simply a preference for one person to be head-of-household; not a kink, just a system for decision-making.

All of the definitions I found when I looked up "kink" and "kinky" (excluding the other meaning which has nothing at all to do with BDSM - curly, twisted), linked the word closely with sex. Examples below:

"relating to, having, or appealing to unconventional tastes especially in sex ; also : sexually deviant"
"Showing or appealing to bizarre or deviant tastes, especially of a sexual or erotic nature"
"having or showing unusual ways of getting sexual excitement"

So, I think the attachment to sexual excitement is what makes an unusual preference a kink.

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ORIGINAL: Nikitaa
(is okay to start sentence with "but"?)

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan




You have a good point.  Women who don't cover don't stand out in the U.S.  All I can say is that I have seen more and more Muslim women who do cover in recent years.  I know that Wal-Mart used to have a policy that did not allow employees to wear any sort of head covering.  That has changed to allow Muslim employees to cover for religious reasons.  Maybe covering has come full circle and women are doing it because they choose it, not because they must.