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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 1:30:28 PM   
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I enjoy those kinds of conversations a lot, but when I'm bottoming or submitting, I'm usually barely coherent, and when I am topping or dominating someone, I try to affect him in ways that aren't exactly intellectual. It's fun to talk about stuff like that before or afterward, though!


To be fair, we rather stopped the play and got into the conversation.  Then somewhere in the course of the conversation, some serious desire started up again.

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 1:32:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

*nod* I know that one thing that I really want, if we should ever find someone to add to our communion again, is someone who would understand the concept of "Happy Tangent Land"... the idea of a conversation that starts out here (X), and travels this circuitous, scenic journey through realms that one wouldn't even think of as being remotely related... and yet, the track of the conversation makes perfect sense as it goes along... only to end up -back- at (X) at some point (often -hours- later). We used to wake up in the middle of the night to these amazingly complex conversations... they'd just wander around, like professors in their nightgowns, tossing out relevant, but random, concepts for the nearest butterfly net.


The best conversations ramble and roll just like that.  They are something like a country outing on a sunny day, going through the back roads.

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 1:34:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: feydeplume

Did it start with the similarities between Mobius strips and rope work? Or was it the fractal nature of labia? Both of those have happened to me.

One of the best mind fucks i have ever had, perhaps the best, was sitting outside a cafe talking about the passing traffic and people and where they were going. I was so wet i left damp butterfly wings on the chair through panties and jeans.

And all these years later, he can still make my mind and body jump through hoops.  


That is hot.

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 1:45:34 PM   
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I suppose it depends on what really is important to you in a partner. For me I need to be able to hold an intelligent conversation. Now that doesn't mean talking about higher mathematics or the latest x-ray diffraction pattern or chemical reaction I'm working on with a partner. What is really important to me is the ability to hold well reasoned conversation on a wide variety of topics and if called for debate them. The last thing I would want is to be with someone and run out of meaningful things to say that relate to current events. However, don't get me wrong, it is nice to be able to talk on some level about the work you do - even if you have to lay the foundation for those conversations. This is, however, what is important to me. Everyone has their own conditions that are important to them in a partner and how a partner displays their intelligence is just one factor that I would hope that is considered when choosing a partner.

As for whether or not a submissive (regardless of gender) could respect someone who they felt was less intelligent then themselves. I have to disagree. I think respect has nothing to do with intelligence. I know some very intelligent people who I do not respect. Yet I can think of an adult non-traditional student who is not the brightest in the class but really tries and gives everything to their classes and even when they don't do well they keep going. I have nothing but the highest respect for them. Respect to me is built over time between two people. Intelligence is a a state of being.

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 2:58:16 PM   
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'm working on with a partner. What is really important to me is the ability to hold well reasoned conversation on a wide variety of topics and if called for debate them. The last thing I would want is to be with someone and run out of meaningful things to say that relate to current events. However, don't get me wrong, it is nice to be able to talk on some level about the work you do - even if you have to lay the foundation for those conversations. This is, however, what is important to me. Everyone has their own conditions that are important to them in a partner and how a partner displays their intelligence is just one factor that I would hope that is considered when choosing a partner.

As for whether or not a submissive (regardless of gender) could respect someone who they felt was less intelligent then themselves. I have to disagree. I think respect has nothing to do with intelligence. I know some very intelligent people who I do not respect. Yet I can think of an adult non-traditional student who is not the brightest in the class but really tries and gives everything to their classes and even when they don't do well they keep going. I have nothing but the highest respect for them. Respect to me is built over time between two people. Intelligence is a a state of being.
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ORIGINAL: nafakcha

I suppose it depends on what really is important to you in a partner. For me I need to be able to hold an intelligent conversation. Now that doesn't mean talking about higher mathematics or the latest x-ray diffraction pattern or chemical reaction I'm working on with a partner. What is really important to me is the ability to hold well reasoned conversation on a wide variety of topics and if called for debate them. The last thing I would want is to be with someone and run out of meaningful things to say that relate to current events. However, don't get me wrong, it is nice to be able to talk on some level about the work you do - even if you have to lay the foundation for those conversations. This is, however, what is important to me. Everyone has their own conditions that are important to them in a partner and how a partner displays their intelligence is just one factor that I would hope that is considered when choosing a partner.

As for whether or not a submissive (regardless of gender) could respect someone who they felt was less intelligent then themselves. I have to disagree. I think respect has nothing to do with intelligence. I know some very intelligent people who I do not respect. Yet I can think of an adult non-traditional student who is not the brightest in the class but really tries and gives everything to their classes and even when they don't do well they keep going. I have nothing but the highest respect for them. Respect to me is built over time between two people. Intelligence is a a state of being.

Keiko


I hear you and I agree with almost everything you are saying.  I too do not need to talk theoretical physics to be attracted to someone.  I do however need to be able to talk about something of interest.  It does not matter what so much as that it is fun and stimulating.

I too know a lot of brilliant annoying people.   I am not trying to say that intelligence is the only thing that commands respect.  Nobility (in the non-hereditary sense) goodness and inner strength are essential.  However, as far as commanding respect goes, I find it difficult to see a leader have the proper gravitas needed to assume command if (s)he can't form a complete sentence.  I, and I think most people, need to be able to feel that the leader knows what is what.

I was also not trying to say that an IQ test is mandatory for attraction.  I think this is much the same in the vanilla world.  Unless there is that kind of meeting of minds, not always on the same topics, but with a certain shared level of inquisitiveness and ability to communicate, the relationship will quickly become purely physical.  It does not matter what the topics are, so long as both partners enjoy them and are capable of sharing in them.

Perhaps the better refinement - what I should have said instead on reflection, is that I can see an intelligent submissive getting into the fantasy of being taken by the big dumb brute.  I can not see her wanting to go long term with him. 

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 3:05:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: agirl

No, it wouldn't happen at a time like that. Usually all MY energy, along with any rational thoughts have buggered off by then. I'm usually trying not to cry , trying not to shout/scream/yelp too loudly and so on.

We did have this one conversation, though.......It was really deep and meaningful. I said I didn't want to hurt and he said, *You can't bleed unless you're hurt, you silly girl*. That's about as intelligent as we get at these times..lol

agirl



Lol, In truth, we started out in play, the conversation started up and we both ended up dedicating our mental energy to the conversation for a while.  At some point, the fact that here was this beautiful woman all tied up and naked re-entered our thoughts and things went back to play.  What was so cool about it, was that the play was that much more fun for both of us.

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 3:19:06 PM   
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Wow, you know, I think that scening is THE perfect time to talk such things.  At least I could blame my blank, glassy stare on the endorphins!




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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 3:22:24 PM   
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I think Rosanne Bar said it best when she said If men were really interested in a womans mind thet'd have wet hat contests.

Personally the woman I'm with has to have some sort of personality because I can only stare at her tits for so long and remain interested.

You have to have that x-factor for the passion and similar interests to carry you from one passionate encounter to the next.

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 3:39:51 PM   
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I don't know if it counts as public humiliation or not, and i don't really care. I love that he can make my world suddenly a sensual playground and the noise in my head stop with just the tone of his voice and the warmth of his hand in mine.

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 4:00:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: feydeplume

I don't know if it counts as public humiliation or not, and i don't really care. I love that he can make my world suddenly a sensual playground and the noise in my head stop with just the tone of his voice and the warmth of his hand in mine.


You have a very beautiful relationship then.  I am happy for you.

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 4:29:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: agirl

No, it wouldn't happen at a time like that. Usually all MY energy, along with any rational thoughts have buggered off by then. I'm usually trying not to cry , trying not to shout/scream/yelp too loudly and so on.

We did have this one conversation, though.......It was really deep and meaningful. I said I didn't want to hurt and he said, *You can't bleed unless you're hurt, you silly girl*. That's about as intelligent as we get at these times..lol

agirl

Nods...the best part of S+M is that my brain shuts down!!!

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 4:49:11 PM   
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agirl

Nods...the best part of S+M is that my brain shuts down!!!


Usually, (not always) it is an inspiring intellect married to a quirky personality, that captures my interest.  I seldom make it to the S&M or D's, nor even your run of the mill snogging - unless there's something to interest me on several levels.  I like it best, when I find that connection that takes me to my quiet happy places - where all the noise in my head quiets to a purr.  S&M, a good spanking, or even a firm hand on my head does that, when the connection is there.  Now if only it would tame that quirky sense of humor of mine; it tends to get me into trouble.

What I've found to be a complete turn-off is when a dominant disregards a submissive's intellect, and behaves in a condescending manner.  Then again, while it is a sexual turn-off, it can be quite amusing to be underestimated.  Especially when your wit flies under the radar, so to speak. 

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 5:07:35 PM   
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OMG....I'm supposed to talk to him?!?!?!

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 5:26:24 PM   
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agirl

Nods...the best part of S+M is that my brain shuts down!!!


Usually, (not always) it is an inspiring intellect married to a quirky personality, that captures my interest.  I seldom make it to the S&M or D's, nor even your run of the mill snogging - unless there's something to interest me on several levels.  I like it best, when I find that connection that takes me to my quiet happy places - where all the noise in my head quiets to a purr.  S&M, a good spanking, or even a firm hand on my head does that, when the connection is there.  Now if only it would tame that quirky sense of humor of mine; it tends to get me into trouble.

What I've found to be a complete turn-off is when a dominant disregards a submissive's intellect, and behaves in a condescending manner.  Then again, while it is a sexual turn-off, it can be quite amusing to be underestimated.  Especially when your wit flies under the radar, so to speak. 


I know it happens, but I have never been able to understand submissives who seem to like being disregarded intellectually.  I'm not making a judgment on that one. I just simply don't get it and I'm not attracted to it.

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 5:30:44 PM   
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OMG....I'm supposed to talk to him?!?!?!


Depends on if I've used a gag...

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 5:42:38 PM   
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I was once dating an intellectually brilliant, yet emotionally stunted genius. I hadn't studied quantum physics in years and asked him to re-acquaint me with the theories, etc. He proceeded to lecture me throughout our entire dinner. I was so turned on it was crazy! It was total foreplay.
 
Master has more wisdom, streetsmarts and emotional maturity than any other man I have ever met, but not a lot of formal education. He puts up with my meandering mind- I have actually described the anatomy of the penis and the physiology of the erection while I supposed to be sucking it- with amazing equanimity.
 
Higher mathematics may be fun, but I find the emotional connection, support and understanding is a more secure foundation for a relationship than just compatable intellects.

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 6:02:35 PM   
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I was once dating an intellectually brilliant, yet emotionally stunted genius. I hadn't studied quantum physics in years and asked him to re-acquaint me with the theories, etc. He proceeded to lecture me throughout our entire dinner. I was so turned on it was crazy! It was total foreplay.
 
Master has more wisdom, streetsmarts and emotional maturity than any other man I have ever met, but not a lot of formal education. He puts up with my meandering mind- I have actually described the anatomy of the penis and the physiology of the erection while I supposed to be sucking it- with amazing equanimity.
 
Higher mathematics may be fun, but I find the emotional connection, support and understanding is a more secure foundation for a relationship than just compatable intellects.


Ohhh without a doubt.  At no point do I mean to say or imply that just being smart is all there is about it.  I was simply remarking about how it can be a real turn on.  In terms of picking a mate, being good hearted, of strong fiber and dependable is much more important than just simply being smart.  I am very happy for you that you have such a good and meaningful relationship.

Also, QM is sexy...

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 6:03:18 PM   
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 What I've found to be a complete turn-off is when a dominant disregards a submissive's intellect, and behaves in a condescending manner.  Then again, while it is a sexual turn-off, it can be quite amusing to be underestimated.  Especially when your wit flies under the radar, so to speak. 

Met one of those for dinner once; he talked to me s-l-o-w-l-y and repeated himself carefully as if I wouldn't understand the first time.  I was so (literally) dumbfounded, that I'm sure when I didn't come back to the table he figured I got lost on my way to the restroom!
 

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 6:18:10 PM   
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 What I've found to be a complete turn-off is when a dominant disregards a submissive's intellect, and behaves in a condescending manner.  Then again, while it is a sexual turn-off, it can be quite amusing to be underestimated.  Especially when your wit flies under the radar, so to speak. 

Met one of those for dinner once; he talked to me s-l-o-w-l-y and repeated himself carefully as if I wouldn't understand the first time.  I was so (literally) dumbfounded, that I'm sure when I didn't come back to the table he figured I got lost on my way to the restroom!
 


Underestimating people is a good way to loose out. 

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RE: Beautiful Minds - 2/13/2009 8:27:40 PM   
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