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Number of neocortical neurons (females) = 19.3 billion (Pakkenberg, B., Pelvig, D., Marner,L., Bundgaard, M.J., Gundersen, H.J.G., Nyengaard, J.R. and Regeur, L. Aging and the human neocortex. Exp. Gerontology, 38:95-99, 2003 and Pakkenberg, B. and Gundersen, H.J.G. Neocortical neuron number in humans: effect of sex and age. J. Comp. Neurology, 384:312-320, 1997.)
Number of neocortical neurons (males) = 22.8 billion (Pakkenberg et al., 1997; 2003)

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ORIGINAL: rednicky

I was looking at a little bit of social history and, regardless of the race or the advancement of a society, location, or time period, women seem to always be submissive to men (whether they like it or not). I was reading up on the cult that was discovered in America (Texas I believe) where the men would take advantage of the women and children and they were completely Dominated and brainwashed by men. Some women even helped the men by brainwashing the young! Why is this? Why is it that in every form of society, women are submissive to men? I mean, even today in America and other parts of the world, where women have gained true independence, they're still treated like objects, used for advertising and sex appeal. And, once a woman's sex appeal is gone, she is somewhat useless to society (unless she's got money). It's as if society turns they're back on women who are not young and pretty. Don't say that you don't see it. And so many women buy into it as well. Everywhere you look, it says that big tits, thin bodies, long hair, and promiscuity are best. And women are sitting back and saying "Okay yea. We can do that for men." And they jump through these hoops, starving themselves and going through these extremes attempting to be acceptable to men. Sure, there is some pressure on men, but it's no big deal if a man is older or out of shape. So, not only do so many women fall into the trap of doing anything in order to be pleasing to the opposite sex, they don't even put the same amount of pressure on men! It would be different if women said "yea, we'll look a certain way for you guys.

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But you guys have to look a certain way for 'us' too." That's not how things have worked. A 6 pack seems to be 'extra'. Something that's not needed but looks good on a guy anyway. But if a woman is not a certain weight, she is given hell.

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So even though things are better, things are not how they 'should' be and it surprises me at how long it is taking and how little women are doing to obtain true equality.

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ORIGINAL: awmslave

I do not believe genetic component can be automatically extrapolated into advanced human societal behavioral norms.

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ORIGINAL: rednicky

I just don't understand. And it's making me question myself as a fully capable woman. Maybe I'm a glitch and women were never really meant to have as much power as men. Maybe I'm fighting for something that is unobtainable. Because so many women seem to be content with the way things are now. I for one do not like how our bodies do the talking. But so many other women do. And not enough women recognize the real damage that being viewed as an object is causing.

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Verónica Michelle Bachelet Jeria (born September 29, 1951) is a center-left politician and the current President of Chile—the first woman to hold this position in the country's history. She won the 2006 presidential election in a runoff, beating center-right billionaire businessman and former senator Sebastián Piñera, with 53.5% of the vote. A moderate Socialist, she campaigned on a platform of continuing Chile's free market policies, while increasing social benefits to help reduce the country's gap between rich and poor. She was inaugurated on March 11, 2006.
Bachelet—a pediatrician and epidemiologist with studies in military strategy—served as Health Minister and Defense Minister under President Ricardo Lagos. She is a separated mother of three and a self-described agnostic[1]. A polyglot, she speaks Spanish, English, German, Portuguese and French.[2] In 2008, Forbes magazine ranked her as 25th in the list of the 100 most powerful women in the world[3] (she was #27 in 2007[4], and #17 in 2006[5]). In 2008, TIME magazine ranked her 15 on its list of the world's 100 most influential people.[6]

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Most all of civilization, and how all societies operate, can be traced to mating strategies of the human species.

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ORIGINAL: awmslave

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Most all of civilization, and how all societies operate, can be traced to mating strategies of the human species.

It is higly debatable how much sexual behavior determines the society. It has not changed dramatically in thousand years.

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

genders are equal

Individuals are not

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel
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I find your statements very relevant and show a level of understanding of the human experience to be beyond that which most people can ever hope to achieve. It seems that simply accepting the elegant simplicity and essential need for difference, is to much for our modern contorted minds to grasp.  If everyone could only realize that differences are necessary and actually are required for new human life to be created, nurtured, protected, and grow up healthy, then the world would be a better place.

Fuck me now.
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ORIGINAL: rednicky

I was looking at a little bit of social history and, regardless of the race or the advancement of a society, location, or time period, women seem to always be submissive to men (whether they like it or not). I was reading up on the cult that was discovered in America (Texas I believe) where the men would take advantage of the women and children and they were completely Dominated and brainwashed by men. Some women even helped the men by brainwashing the young! Why is this? Why is it that in every form of society, women are submissive to men? I mean, even today in America and other parts of the world, where women have gained true independence, they're still treated like objects, used for advertising and sex appeal. And, once a woman's sex appeal is gone, she is somewhat useless to society (unless she's got money). It's as if society turns they're back on women who are not young and pretty. Don't say that you don't see it. And so many women buy into it as well. Everywhere you look, it says that big tits, thin bodies, long hair, and promiscuity are best. And women are sitting back and saying "Okay yea. We can do that for men." And they jump through these hoops, starving themselves and going through these extremes attempting to be acceptable to men. Sure, there is some pressure on men, but it's no big deal if a man is older or out of shape. So, not only do so many women fall into the trap of doing anything in order to be pleasing to the opposite sex, they don't even put the same amount of pressure on men! It would be different if women said "yea, we'll look a certain way for you guys. But you guys have to look a certain way for 'us' too." That's not how things have worked. A 6 pack seems to be 'extra'. Something that's not needed but looks good on a guy anyway. But if a woman is not a certain weight, she is given hell.

So even though things are better, things are not how they 'should' be and it surprises me at how long it is taking and how little women are doing to obtain true equality.

Why is it that, regardless of the surroundings, women as a whole, seem to follow men blindly? Especially when there are more women than men ANYWAY! And, at this point, it's not a matter of submission. It's submitting to the wills of men that are obviously wrong. A woman knows that a man shouldn't be beating her child. A woman knows a man shouldn't be beating 'her'. Hell, men don't put up with being hit by each other. Why do so many woman think it's okay to be hit or subjected to treatment that men themselves don't even tolerate? I'd like to believe that women are just as capable, independent, smart, and expect to share equal power with men. But I just don't see it. And the little I do see is such a small amount that it is easily overlooked. It's almost like the few women who have sought after true equality are simply a glitch in the mind frame of the female. Are women just fooling themselves into thinking that they are equal to men? Because they certainly haven't shown it very much in the past. Just like men as a whole took it upon themselves to be the dominant sex, why didn't women as a whole say "No. We shall be equal or not work together at all"? Matter of fact, it was men who took it upon themselves to show women respect as a sex. And had not the bible been around to actually tell them to respect their wives, I don't even think we'd get 'that' much. Some men "don't" and "haven't" treated their women with respect in certain areas...and women just sit there and take it.

Now I'm not going on a man-hating rant. I like men. And I praise God that I live in America where men respect women (to some extent.) But I just don't like how long it's taken to get to this point. I feel like, were we to isolate a group of men and women on, say, a deserted tropical island, leaving them to develop their own government, men would be in charge...and women wouldn't object.

I just don't understand. And it's making me question myself as a fully capable woman. Maybe I'm a glitch and women were never really meant to have as much power as men. Maybe I'm fighting for something that is unobtainable. Because so many women seem to be content with the way things are now. I for one do not like how our bodies do the talking. But so many other women do. And not enough women recognize the real damage that being viewed as an object is causing.

I'll briefly mention D/s but this thread really has nothing to do with it. I would like to be submissive to another man but not if it means playing into societies way of thinking about women. I've stepped back an looked at the big picture. Me submitting to a man would just be 1 more women playing her part as the submissive woman that I 'should' be. And I don't want to send that message. I guess what I'm looking for is reassurance. Reassurance that I (we) are just as good as any man could ever be. But how can I...when history has proven me so very very wrong time and time again?

Once again, this has nothing to do with bdsm. I'm speaking of people in general. And, this time, I'm open to any and all comments. I know I wasn't before and I'm sorry. My self esteem right now is in the shitter and I just want to know how other women do it. How do other women live without being so angry like me. I want to live in a certain way that'll make me happy (a D/s lifestyle). But not if it means reinforcing the very ideas about women that I hate. But this conflict that is going on within me is tearing me apart and making me very unhappy. I want to ignore the world and do what I want to do. But I can't do what I want to do when men, the unspoken leaders of the world, still have these terrible ideas about women. Hopefully you understand me.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

This is where sports came from, Men trying to impresss the Women.

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The popularity of sports has its roots in England, where sport was a national past time long before the rest of the world took note. Sport arose as a contest between men, usually involving sporadic violence.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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The popularity of sports has its roots in England, where sport was a national past time long before the rest of the world took note. Sport arose as a contest between men, usually involving sporadic violence.

I'm certain that sports were popular long before England was even conceived.  Sports started as demonstrations of warrior's athletic prowess and skill, and they were popular in ancient societies all over the world. 

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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The popularity of sports has its roots in England, where sport was a national past time long before the rest of the world took note. Sport arose as a contest between men, usually involving sporadic violence.

I'm certain that sports were popular long before England was even conceived.  Sports started as demonstrations of warrior's athletic prowess and skill, and they were popular in ancient societies all over the world. 

Correct, but widespread participation in sports (among all classes) is another matter. In the 17th and 18th centuries, the rest of Europe couldn't understand the English fixation with sport. Even at the outbreak of WW1, the Germans believed that their culture was superior to English culture on the grounds that the English spent too much time with leisure pursuits: namely sport.

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It's not "highly debatable" at all.

And it's not "sexual behavior".  It's mating strategies.

You might not have been exposed to evolutionary psychology before, in any depth.  I'd recommend "The Evolution of Desire" as a starting point.  It's a few years old, but is a good starting point, even if it's a little more dense than a general "self-help" book.

A more entertaining, and more current read (although not as scientifically detailed, and likely to give you a "Who says this is true?" moment or two) is "Why Beautiful People Have More Daughters".

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In a provocative study, Buss, a University of Michigan psychology professor, attributes these differences to ingrained psychological mechanisms which he argues are universal across cultures and rooted in each gender's adaptive responses over millennia of human evolution.