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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/18/2009 6:38:55 PM   
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Well, do you think he may have a point, or do you just plain disagree that it's still a taboo?


It seems to me that the only people who are so engrossed in talk of race are those that are racists.  I don't get up in the morning thinking about white, brown, black or yellow..only how I can make a buck to feed my family.  I could care less about race unless someone comes into my business and is confrontational. Frankly, race is not one of my priorities... surviving is!

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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/18/2009 6:45:31 PM   
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a slightly different topic.  Don't you find it funny that Hispanics which are descendants of Native-Americans want to speak there language in the united states.  A language (spanish)of the people who initially conquered them ;)

  Well considering the fact that most Native-Americans in the US speak English...what's yer' point?

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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/18/2009 7:23:55 PM   
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It is not funny, simply the result of colonialism.  In the US most Native Americans speak English and in Latin America most Indigenous Peoples speak Spanish or Portuguese and their native languages.

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  a slightly different topic.  Don't you find it funny that Hispanics which are descendants of Native-Americans want to speak there language in the united states.  A language (spanish)of the people who initially conquered them ;)


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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/18/2009 10:12:08 PM   
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    But when you immigrate to another nation it is expected of you to make an attempt to learn the language of the land.  To often that attempt isn't made creating a stereotype.  Sometimes stereotypes are based on a degree of truth other times it isn't.



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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/18/2009 11:18:16 PM   
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Already covered in post #35 regarding the stages of immigration and the learning of the new language.

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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/19/2009 12:08:47 AM   
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I'd like to have a discussion with the Atty General about what he plans on doing to get the 20-30 million illegal aliens deported.
Who the hell cares if they sneak in in cargo containers, what, I'm supposed to feel "sorry" for them? "Boo Hoo!"
Someone should tell this guy that enforcing our laws is not "optional" for him.
And surrender for me, I'm a Mick from Woburn origionally so I'll go ahead and put you on "Block."
I'd arrest and deport the illegal Irish first, just to set the example and there's plenty of them in Boston.

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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/19/2009 12:40:29 AM   
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http://www.gilroydispatch.com/news/252848-professors-research-finds-hispanics-dont-assimilate-easilyProfessor's research finds Hispanics don't assimilate easily
Jan 19, 2009
 By Courtesy of McClatchy

Patrick McGee - McClatchy NewspapersAmerican history is full of immigrant groups taking a turn as personae non gratae. Benjamin Franklin hated German immigrants. America's first significant restrictions on immigration targeted once-detested Asians with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. Irish immigrants seeking work were met with signs telling them they need not apply.But Hispanics have been slower to assimilate than past immigrant groups, says Jake Vigdor, and the numbers show it. The associate professor of public policy and economics at Duke University in North Carolina measured indicators such as the ability to speak English, educational attainment, military enlistment and rates of becoming citizens.An assimilation index he put together found Mexico far behind other countries that also send lots of immigrants to the United States. Mexico scored 13 on the index. Canada had the highest score, 53. Korea, Vietnam and the Philippines scored more than 40."That is troubling," Vigdor said. "What really distinguishes Mexican immigrants from other immigrants both past and present is that they don't make a lot of progress over time."


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Already covered in post #35 regarding the stages of immigration and the learning of the new language.


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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/19/2009 2:42:12 AM   
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The attorney general said employees across the country "have done a pretty good job in melding the races in the workplace," but he noted that "certain subjects are off limits and that to explore them risks at best embarrassment and at worst the questioning of one's character."



He forgot being called a racist if you say the wrong thing. Once people stop playing the R card a dialog with ensue.

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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/19/2009 4:49:23 AM   
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It seems odd you'd attribute the responses as being based on him being black. That's fucked up, IMO, and speaks volumes about the glasses you are viewing the world with.



You really think there's no correlation then? Good luck with your rose-tinted glasses.


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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/19/2009 4:55:37 AM   
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I've witnessed some true absurdity in the past couple of decades when it comes to race relations... a white man and woman standing at a traffic light in Dallas when a black guy walks up about 20 feet away. The man says to the woman, that black guy looks like the man my friend. She turns to him aghast. Don't you know you can't say that? What he asks. That he's black, she says.

....my local tv station only announced color for criminals when that criminal wasn't black. It became such a joke among locals because the only way you knew was if race/color wasn't announced. 6' man being sought for robbery, dark hair, dark eyes, 180 lbs was the description you might get. You only knew he was black if they didn't tell you he was white, hispanic, etc.

....I stopped to ask an elderly black lady if she knew where one of the city government buildings was. She looks around, points to a red brick building and says, in that white building. Then stops, stammers and apologizes and says I'm sorry people are so sensitive these days.

....I give my testimony to police after witnessing an accident. White guy runs a red light, hits a car with a black guy and his mother inside. I tell the police what I see. Black guy thinks I'm just the shit because I didn't lie.

....I get an assignment to go to the local school system to report on their sudden success at increasing the numbers of blacks in academically gifted programs, after being sued by the NAACP because the numbers were low. No one would discuss the actual program, not teachers, not administrators, no one. They took me to classes and let me watch students do things like make pottery, but when it came to the actual program changes, everyone hedged, got wary looks on their faces, and spouted virtually the same lines. I go back to my editor and tell him, I have no idea. Everyone is beaming about the result, but the method, well, got me. My editor was looking for one of those moment in the sun stories and sent me back. So I go. End up with the second in line of the entire school system. I'm taking notes, he's walking around the bush in about 43 different ways. So I finally say, ok. I got it. Everyone is happy now. Now tell me how.
That took another hour to figure out but the bottom line is they removed the requirements to be listed as AG, and simply made all AG students by recommendation. I go back to my editor. He drops the story as a paper piece, but wants me to write it as a commentary. Says, we can't run that.

So perhaps Mr. Holder is right. What he doesn't address are the points that Mastershakes, cory and slaveboy have made. Namely that opinion is only ok when it's approved by some shadowy, limp wristed movement that defines what it's acceptable for you to think. Free speech isn't the issue here. There's nothing free about it. I can watch Charles Barkley stand on camera and talk about hating white people and go right back to work while a golfer who jokes about collard greens when Tiger is on the green never works again.

So yes, maybe the nation is full of cowards, but we as a nation created it. I believe in equality. Past that you need something besides color to even make a dent in me when it comes to liking you, or even sometimes tolerating you. You need a personality, a sense of humor, to demonstrate some responsibility in your life. I don't know how anyone could listen to MLK and not be inspired. I also don't know how we got the idea that curing oppression would best be served by instigating another form of it because that is exactly what the PC hall monitors do.

Like cory said, "It seems to me that the only people who are so engrossed in talk of race are those that are racists" and those exist on both sides of the aisle, because honestly, I think some of the most vitriolic of those on the politically correct side are some of the worst racists in the country.

Just me though. I mostly don't pay attention to either side.


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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/19/2009 6:55:52 AM   
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I am curious about why you felt the need to call him a "Italian" dick head. Does it really matter what nationality he was?

As to the OP.. I have to wonder why the AG is worrying about this. Maybe the government should start mandatory group meeting across the country and we can all hold hands and sing Kumbya.

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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/19/2009 7:05:37 AM   
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I think Mr. Holder is an idiot. White folks in this country just elected the first African American president in our countries history. Maybe he is the racist.

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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/19/2009 7:11:16 AM   
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It seems odd you'd attribute the responses as being based on him being black. That's fucked up, IMO, and speaks volumes about the glasses you are viewing the world with.



You really think there's no correlation then? Good luck with your rose-tinted glasses.



Well I can't speak for anyone else, but for me his race had nothing to do with my responce. In fact until this thread, I could not have told you what race the AG was. Now I know. Who says you don't learn anything on CM.

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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/19/2009 7:12:16 AM   
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Holder told hundreds of Justice Department employees gathered for the event that they have a special responsibility to advance racial understanding. Even when people mix at the workplace or afterwork social events, Holder argued, many Americans in their free time are still segregated inside what he called "race-protected cocoons." "Saturdays and Sundays, America in the year 2009 does not in some ways differ significantly from the country that existed almost 50 years ago. This is truly sad," said Holder.


I don't basically  disagree with what Holder said in the quote above from the article that the OP linked to. I don't see how any honest, thoughtful person could.

I do, however, think that things are slowly changing. Integration in schools and housing and employment can and has been legislated, but attitudes and hearts and minds change more slowly. I do see more mixed race couples ( and few bat an eye at them ), and more racial and ethnic mixing at various social and private gatherings than in the past.

Traveling to countries and cultures that don't share America's history of racism and social injustice is an eye opener. It's a completely different atmoshere in a society where the color of someone's skin is irrelevant. I believe that , in America, progress is being made in this regard. As Martin Luther King Jr. said, " The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice".


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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/19/2009 7:18:48 AM   
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Well I can't speak for anyone else, but for me his race had nothing to do with my responce. In fact until this thread, I could not have told you what race the AG was. Now I know. Who says you don't learn anything on CM.


Much fuss was made in the media over the fact that Holder is the first black Attorney General. I'm surprised you missed that.

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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/19/2009 7:27:52 AM   
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Well I can't speak for anyone else, but for me his race had nothing to do with my responce. In fact until this thread, I could not have told you what race the AG was. Now I know. Who says you don't learn anything on CM.


Much fuss was made in the media over the fact that Holder is the first black Attorney General. I'm surprised you missed that.


See, that's the second time this week I have surprised you. Ya I missed it. But I probibly won't forget it soon.

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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/19/2009 7:28:39 AM   
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Incorrigible flirt. 

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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/19/2009 7:29:53 AM   
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WASHINGTON – Attorney General Eric Holder described the United States Wednesday as a nation of cowards on matters of race, saying most Americans avoid discussing awkward racial issues. In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090218/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/holder_race

Apparently Mr. Holder doesn't think we spend enough times talking about race.  We're a bunch of cowards, because we're not out in our local taverns and coffeeshops having open, frank discussions about important topics like skin color and ancesteral origins. 

We have to keep this fight against racism perpetual. 


There's no way in my good conscience I can possibly argue your sentiment, yet I do sometimes find myself at odds with the cudgel of political correctness we all live under and are conditioned to regurgitate and defend. The truth is, there are differences between cultures, creeds, ethnicities and sexes, just as there are always exceptions that prove the "rules" about them. Discussing these things doesn't need to lead to bigotry, however.

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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/19/2009 8:38:02 AM   
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Not even with the kid gloves up to my neck. Except to say for one I did not know the AG is Black. The other thing is after what has been said on this forum in the past on this subject, especially in regard to my viewpoint, I have nothing to say. Maybe I'll get my Polak hillbilly ass to work early today.

Have fun with the thread, I'll go rabblerouse elsewhere. My flameproof suit is in the laundry.

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RE: U.S. Attorney General thinks America is cowardly on... - 2/19/2009 11:39:50 AM   
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After reading Holder's remarks, I read the thread.

Then I went back and read Holder's remarks, and got even more confused.

Why is it being generally assumed that he was directing these comments at whites and not blacks as well?

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