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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 8:49:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Eir

To the subs : Would you alow your master to carve or brand or give you a tattoo that had no meaning exept you were his slave? And if you would... what would it mean to you if you would break up?

To the Doms : If you would to carve, brand or give your slave a tattoo as a sign of her submission to you how would you react when/if the relationship would end and she/he would tell you that she/ would like to get rid of it and wanted you to join the cost because it's REALLY expensive to get something like that away...

I wonder... if I would ever get a tattoo, a brand or get carved for someone the person would have to mean the world to me!



I have a brand from my owner and its the first initial of his last name. It wasn't something I did quickly, we both thought about it and talked about it for about three years before finally doing it. I'm a bit of a cynical romantic, so I don't view relationships as being forever and I don't think I can promise forever (on the other hand I think this view has helped us last for eight years).

If it ended tommorow I don't know what I would do with the brand. Chances are I'd cherish it as a mark of a significant portion of my life and of my first owner (I've certainly dated other dominants but he is my first master/owner). I guess if I really wanted it gone there are certainly over the counter things that can help with burn marks. If I were really desperate I'd just go to a plastic surgeon. But I can't see that happening.

Chances are if I were owned by someone else, there would be some process of me reclaiming that mark and perhaps with tattos or something else, morphing it into a body mod that meant something personal to me. Who knows.

My view is that we get scars physically and emotionally all of the time, why not have one to signify the person I love and who holds my heart and submission. Life is to short to not do it.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 8:57:51 PM   
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Does a tat hurt more than a brand or vice versa?


I don't have his brand yet, but I imagine it would hurt worse to get one. It's hard to say as it would probably depend on the individual. I know before I got the tat, that the artist told me that ankle tats hurt a lot because there is so little meat there, but I didn't think it was that bad at all. Now, I'm heavy, heavy into needle play and have been for several years, so that could be why it didn't seem like a big deal to me. A brand is a whole different animal. If you think about how much it hurts just burning your finger on the stove, that would seem to me to be a lot worse than a tat.

I'll let you know after I get it if I was a whiney ass baby or a soldier. lol

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 9:04:14 PM   
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If I was to be released, then I walk away carrying a living breathing scrapbook of my expereince, my service, of my steps of growth, of how far I went in my surrender. Each scar tells a story, some of them are wonderful tales, some aren't as great, however they are all the story of my life, and that is something special.

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That was really beautiful, Gem. Thanks for sharing it.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 9:42:20 PM   
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They burn things, break things or throw them to the trash. Some folks though prefer to hang on to those little things to remind them of the good times, the love, the growth.....or even just the lesson learned.


This is so true. My ex took all "us stuff" he had and threw it away or packed it up and placed it in storage. I chose to toss or pack some, but kept several things and have them out regularly - a favorite necklace, a piece of art given as an anniversary gift, a family photo, etc. I was a little miffed and offended he could just throw away or remove things that once held such symbolic significance, as if denying it ever existed. On the other hand, he is bothered that I "cling" to things, seeing it as a sign of not moving forward. I disagree, enjoying the memories and feeling basically content with reclaiming those "symbols" as a celebration of my history.

Neither of us is wrong. We just do things differently.

I would potentially consider a brand, particularly the type that tend to fade or become subtle patterns within the skin over time. I would maybe consider a tattoo, though I would want something artsy and symbolic and not a name, initials, etc. Neither is something I would do casually though. I would not allow a permanent marking as a punishment.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 9:53:28 PM   
KittenWithaTwist


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A tattoo has to have a deeper meaning then just to be a signal of submission because can we really be sure that the relationship will last?


To some, there is no deeper meaning than their submission.

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To the subs : Would you alow your master to carve or brand or give you a tattoo that had no meaning exept you were his slave? And if you would... what would it mean to you if you would break up?


Yes, I would. However, I have been with my partner for two years and we have a strong friendship and a strong relationship. I would not get a tattoo for someone I had just met. If we broke up, I would still have the tat as a symbol of something important that I shared with another human.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/19/2006 10:01:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Petruchio

Eir, I think you asked one question (which people answered) but you had in mind another which hasn't been addressed.

I saw an internet photo not long ago where some ass had written WHORE and SLUT on a girl's face in permanent marker. Fortunately, some day that will come out, but carved skin will never completely erase.

No excuse in the world can justify anyone anytime anywhere carving the word WHORE into anybody.

The perpetrator wasn't a dom, but a vile, sick fücker who is so weak and insecure that he can only torment someone weaker than he is. Let's face it, if he'd done that to a dog or even a goldfish, he'd be in jail.

Hmm… On the other hand, let's take up a collection for a skin graft… using the dermis from the sick bastard's chest. I'll carve if y'all will hold him down.




That's a little extreme, don't you think? After all, she may have consented to the idea at the time. Or, some people may consent to have these things done to them. I very much enjoy having my skin marked and carved with various degrading comments/words. Please rethink such harsh judgements before you post them.



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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 2:56:14 AM   
Eir


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Status: offline 		Thank you for the answer I really wa looking for, I can't understand how people can do that... maybe I am just to innocent?

I would hold such a bastard down if someone would carve on him right back

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 4:05:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Eir

Thank you for the answer I really wa looking for, I can't understand how people can do that... maybe I am just to innocent?

I would hold such a bastard down if someone would carve on him right back


There's a saying among most BDSM affiliates. It goes along the lines of: "Your kink is okay, even if it isn't my thing." This can be shortened to "YKIOK". I could sit and explain to you why I enjoy carving, permanent marks, humiliation, degradation, and etc, but something tells me that even if I did, you would not completely get it. Most people don't, if they don't like it on some level.

It's fine that you don't have any desire for humiliation or permanent markings, but keep in mind that it is quite common among submissives and slaves and bottoms to find these activities appealing, enjoyable, and highly arousing. Likewise, some people find terminology like "slut, whore, bitch," and the similar to be affectionate. I didn't understand this when I first began my journey into BDSM, but I could not live without these things now.

Understand this, if nothing more: People are into some crazy stuff. Humiliation is just the tip of the iceberg. You may hear about scat play or rape play, race roleplay or uniformed secret police, interrogations, TPE, messy play, fire play, and a whole host of other things. BDSM is an umbrella term to cover ALL of that and much much more. You may never understand the reasoning or desire behind it, but it's a bit rude, in my opinion, to knock it with no understanding of it whatsoever.

Perhaps you are naive. Don't let that hinder you. Explore your world :)

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 4:13:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Eir

Thank you for the answer I really wa looking for, I can't understand how people can do that... maybe I am just to innocent?

I would hold such a bastard down if someone would carve on him right back


Was your only point in posting to get someone to validate your own opinion? Were you not interested in all the other stories and opinions that demonstrate that many people find this acceptable and even enjoyable?

The people on this board do not have sufficient knowledge to say that what this dominant did was inappropriate. It could very well be that the types of punishment were negotiated and that marking her for punishment was acceptable in their relationship. There is too little information to form an educated opinion.

I would love to have my Lord carve anything in my body, including the word whore. It is a rush and getting the swords was the most euphoric experience of my life.

Just because you do not understand why someone else does what they do, does not make the behavior wrong or the people engaging in that behavior despicable.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 4:18:40 AM   
Eir


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Status: offline 		No I wasn't but he agrees on it, if someone marks someone with out permission... didn't you read his post?

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 4:20:55 AM   
Eir


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Status: offline 		If it's something you WANT and CAN'T imagion being without good for you, then clearly you are more submissive then the switch me, I am glad that you found something that's for you but then again it doesn't have to be something I would like... PERHAPS after years of submission with the same person I would concider it. I have my hard limits but then again things can change in the years?

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 4:21:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Eir

No I wasn't but he agrees on it, if someone marks someone with out permission... didn't you read his post?


I read his post and quoted it. He didn't say "without permission". He said, and I quote:

quote:

No excuse in the world can justify anyone anytime anywhere carving the word WHORE into anybody.


Didn't you read his post?

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 4:25:34 AM   
Eir


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Status: offline 		Well we must understand it in two different ways, I understand it one way and you the other.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 4:31:05 AM   
KittenWithaTwist


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Status: offline 		Just keep in mind: In the grand scheme of life, it's a bad idea to make absolutist statements about one's consensual practices.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 4:35:58 AM   
Eir


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Status: offline 		Like I just said in another post if it's your WILL to do this and you are SURE you will not regret it I don't see something wrong with it.
I am just not the type that would do this until after a LONG time of submission.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 4:41:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know that you can ever be 100% sure you will not regret something that you do. Things change, life goes on. Someday, you may look back on this part of your life and think "Damn, what the heck was I thinking?" These things happen. That's why we have divorces, diets, and laser tattoo removal. ;) But if you live life to the fullest extent you desire (within reason, of course), then at least you'll get the most out of it. After all, you only have one life.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 4:53:46 AM   
Eir


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Maybe I am oldfashioned? Ohh well... :) I at least know that I love my tattoos because they are a reminder of whome I care about in my life and should care about... myself, my friends and those that are not among us anymore.

Fneah, now I am starting to go outside of the subject :/

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 4:57:40 AM   
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I at least know that I love my tattoos because they are a reminder of whome I care about in my life and should care about... myself, my friends and those that are not among us anymore.


Respectfully Eir,
I think that the thing you are not getting here is that for some, all of the sentiments that you attach to your markings, others can still attach to theirs....even if they are markings that you would not wish to have or would find to be personally degrading. It's really just a matter of personal choice.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 6:01:19 AM   
Eir


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I think that the thing you are not getting here is that for some, all of the sentiments that you attach to your markings, others can still attach to theirs....even if they are markings that you would not wish to have or would find to be personally degrading. It's really just a matter of personal choice.


I DO understand it! The thing that is making me wonder if the relationship would end badly and you wouldn't want to be reminded on it and you would have perminate marks... that's what's eating my mind

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 6:16:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Eir

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I think that the thing you are not getting here is that for some, all of the sentiments that you attach to your markings, others can still attach to theirs....even if they are markings that you would not wish to have or would find to be personally degrading. It's really just a matter of personal choice.


I DO understand it! The thing that is making me wonder if the relationship would end badly and you wouldn't want to be reminded on it and you would have perminate marks... that's what's eating my mind


What if you and your friend had a falling out and you didn't want your tat anymore? Life happens. Things change. Rushing into a permanent body mark isn't a good idea, but if you love someone and want to express that love in a permanent way, it may not matter to you that that love could go south some day. Hopefully, if you're taking the time to leave a lasting impression on your body, you are less concerned about the possibility of having it after a relationship ends.

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